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    Thread: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self?


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    04-20-2017, 01:01 AM
    (04-19-2017, 04:36 PM)sjel Wrote:
    (04-19-2017, 06:57 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: It's also worth keeping in mind that the free will of the incarnated entity is also a major consideration here.  My own understanding is that when it comes to incarnated life, the 3D entity's free will is ultimately supreme - even above that of their higher self which has designed the experiences.  Hopefully their wills are mostly aligned, but if their desires or goals end up diverging, the 3D entity is ultimately "captain of the ship."  As such, they would be free to ignore, avoid, or even outright reject planned lessons.

    How do you reconcile that with the Ra quote? The bolded part:


    Quote:Ra: I am Ra. We believe we grasp the heart of your query. Please request further information if we are not correct.

    The incarnating entity which has become conscious of the incarnative process and thus programs its own experience may choose the amount of catalyst or, to phrase this differently, the number of lessons which it will undertake to experience and to learn from in one incarnation. This does not mean that all is predestined, but rather that there are invisible guidelines shaping events which will function according to this programming. Thus if one opportunity is missed another will appear until the, shall we say, student of the life experience grasps that a lesson is being offered and undertakes to learn it.

    Because on the one hand, you're saying that an entity may reject or avoid lessons and the higher self just has to accept that as the entity's free will. But on the other hand, Ra is saying that the Higher Self will just keep placing the lesson in front of the entity UNTIL it accepts. Like, it's as if the entity has no choice but no eventually cave in to the Higher Self's lessons! Otherwise they will just keep popping up and intensifying forever.

    I think Ra was basically presenting an ideal and\or "everyday" example. After all, the fact that the learner is capable of missing or ignoring a given lesson illustrates that they do ultimately have free will in the situation.

    And we know from the materials that it's entirely possible for a Wanderer to learn all the "wrong" lessons from given catalyst, in certain situations. The case of the two 4D Positive Wanderers discussed in Session 89 who ended up turning into tyrants and flipping Negative is a fine example of this. The lessons they learned from that life were pretty much the opposite of what they'd intended to learn in planning the life, but none the less, they had the free will and empowerment to flip Negative despite that.

    If their higher selves' willpower was ultimately supreme, such an outcome should not be possible.
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    Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by sjel - 04-18-2017, 10:23 PM
    RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by AnthroHeart - 04-18-2017, 10:32 PM
    RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by Aion - 04-18-2017, 11:29 PM
    RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by anagogy - 04-19-2017, 12:33 AM
    RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by APeacefulWarrior - 04-19-2017, 02:05 AM
    RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by Infinite Unity - 04-19-2017, 06:39 AM
    RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by APeacefulWarrior - 04-19-2017, 06:57 AM
    RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by Infinite Unity - 04-19-2017, 08:35 AM
    RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by sjel - 04-19-2017, 04:36 PM
    RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by APeacefulWarrior - 04-20-2017, 01:01 AM
    RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - by Aion - 04-19-2017, 04:54 PM

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