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Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - sjel - 04-18-2017
Is that safe to do? Interpret LITERALLY EVERYTHING as being there, for you, directly as a message from your Higher Self?
RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - AnthroHeart - 04-18-2017
I don't believe so.
A shaman lady told me once that not everything happens for a reason.
I don't recall any instance of where my higher self did anything in my life.
If they do, I don't think they can do anything if you don't ask for it, because of free will.
RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - Aion - 04-18-2017
I think everything happens for a reason, but the reasons for things happening isn't always easily understood or is always that concrete. I think there are a lot of very abstract elements to the universe which cause things to happen for seemingly irrational reasons. That being because I don't think the universe exists purely based on logical reasoning but also has more flexible and creative elements.
On that note, Ra frequently mentions "random" catalyst, however it is only random in that it is not consciously chosen by the self, it is not random in the sense that it happens for the very good reason of trying to inspire the entity towards the choice of polarization.
I do believe our higher self is involved in every aspect of our lives but I don't see it so much that the higher self is 'creating' the reality around you so much as it is a tool for interpreting the reality of your experience. The higher self is more like the resource that your intuition draws from. It is by connecting to your higher self that allows you to see a greater degree of the connectivity of the One Creator. Thus it seems like your higher self is 'causing' things, but actually you are connecting and 'embodying' your higher self and so perceiving the unity of the Creator in a greater degree.
As one becomes more aware of themselves as the Creator then catalyst becomes less and less random as the direction of seeking becomes clearer. Those who will continue to experience 'random' events and catalyst are those who are incapable of choosing a definite direction for themselves. Although it takes a lot of work before you are choosing everything, so you can still expect 'random' events as an adept.
RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - anagogy - 04-19-2017
(04-18-2017, 10:23 PM)sjel Wrote: Is that safe to do? Interpret LITERALLY EVERYTHING as being there, for you, directly as a message from your Higher Self?
33.6 Questioner: Thank you. I was wondering if there is a programming of experiences that causes an individual to get certain catalyst in his daily life. For instance, as we go through our daily life there are many things that we can experience. We look at these experiences as occurring by pure chance or by a conscious design of ours, like making appointments or going places. I was just wondering if there was a behind-the-scenes, I might call it, programming of catalyst to create the necessary experiences for more rapid growth in the case of some entities. Is this… Does this happen?
Ra: I am Ra. We believe we grasp the heart of your query. Please request further information if we are not correct.
The incarnating entity which has become conscious of the incarnative process and thus programs its own experience may choose the amount of catalyst or, to phrase this differently, the number of lessons which it will undertake to experience and to learn from in one incarnation. This does not mean that all is predestined, but rather that there are invisible guidelines shaping events which will function according to this programming. Thus if one opportunity is missed another will appear until the, shall we say, student of the life experience grasps that a lesson is being offered and undertakes to learn it.
So not every event has meaning, but there are general guidelines shaping your life lessons. The same general story can be told with different elements, but the themes would be the same.
RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - APeacefulWarrior - 04-19-2017
"Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises." -69.17
RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - Infinite Unity - 04-19-2017
Yea I agree with a lot of other peoples opinion stated thus far. My own little opinion is that it is like a twisting turning vine like path. There are different 'levels' at which entities can set the unseen shaping, and the parameters at which they operate. From entities higher self choosing, to purer biases being followed by the more neophyte adept. Which are more congruent with the universal mind. Which greatly speed the entities evolution. To the entity shaping the entire life. I personally believe that 'hardcore' in wanders view on coming back, at the inverse of greater randomosity or free will from within the lifetime. Its like dropping it all at once and jumping into the all consuming love, no matter where you are reborn. I personaly believe I looked into some potential possibilities of this life. Other then that I have it full tilt. It has been a blast.
RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - APeacefulWarrior - 04-19-2017
It's also worth keeping in mind that the free will of the incarnated entity is also a major consideration here. My own understanding is that when it comes to incarnated life, the 3D entity's free will is ultimately supreme - even above that of their higher self which has designed the experiences. Hopefully their wills are mostly aligned, but if their desires or goals end up diverging, the 3D entity is ultimately "captain of the ship." As such, they would be free to ignore, avoid, or even outright reject planned lessons.
Plus, there's always the matter of having the free will to decide what meaning to take from any particular lesson. That's the really tricky part, since communication between an incarnated entity and its higher guides is extremely limited.
There's a cute example of this in the materials:
Quote:105.12 Questioner: I have come to the conclusion that the meaning of the hawk that we had about a year ago when we started to move the first time had to do with the non-benign nature, in the metaphysical sense, of the house which I had picked for the move. If it isn’t a problem with the Law of Confusion I think that it’d be philosophically interesting to know if I am correct with respect to that.
Ra: I am Ra. What bird comes to affirm for Ra? What bird would be chosen to warn? We ask the questioner to ponder these queries.
While Ra's answer is -obviously- quite deliberately a non-answer, it seems like Ra is more or less implying "The bird means what you want it to mean" and that there isn't a single set meaning attached to such things. One is capable of finding lessons in EVERY aspect of 3D life. But it's entirely up to them to decide which lessons they find.
(The "Parable of the Two Villages" also seems relevant here.)
RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - Infinite Unity - 04-19-2017
(04-19-2017, 06:57 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: It's also worth keeping in mind that the free will of the incarnated entity is also a major consideration here. My own understanding is that when it comes to incarnated life, the 3D entity's free will is ultimately supreme - even above that of their higher self which has designed the experiences. Hopefully their wills are mostly aligned, but if their desires or goals end up diverging, the 3D entity is ultimately "captain of the ship." As such, they would be free to ignore, avoid, or even outright reject planned lessons.
Plus, there's always the matter of having the free will to decide what meaning to take from any particular lesson. That's the really tricky part, since communication between an incarnated entity and its higher guides is extremely limited.
There's a cute example of this in the materials:
Quote:105.12 Questioner: I have come to the conclusion that the meaning of the hawk that we had about a year ago when we started to move the first time had to do with the non-benign nature, in the metaphysical sense, of the house which I had picked for the move. If it isn’t a problem with the Law of Confusion I think that it’d be philosophically interesting to know if I am correct with respect to that.
Ra: I am Ra. What bird comes to affirm for Ra? What bird would be chosen to warn? We ask the questioner to ponder these queries.
While Ra's answer is -obviously- quite deliberately a non-answer, it seems like Ra is more or less implying "The bird means what you want it to mean" and that there isn't a single set meaning attached to such things. One is capable of finding lessons in EVERY aspect of 3D life. But it's entirely up to them to decide which lessons they find.
(The "Parable of the Two Villages" also seems relevant here.)
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I agree with that. You are definitely captain of the ship. The higher self influence is subtle and is most easily recognizable over large patterns within the life cycle. On the contrary as the higher self is apart o your self's will in an extended sub set sense. It makes for confusion a lot. Of assumptions and a whole lot of fun.
I agree with your last statements in a mental examination or psychology at a certain level. However I feel as if such moments, should be used to give life to your path. Almost a reinforcement of faith or affirmation. As if a glance at your lover is a cup running over, at every nexus. On the contrary I can also see how its meant complex, and that your path is your own. With or without the blessing or affirmation of a bird, man, or a Ra.
RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - sjel - 04-19-2017
(04-19-2017, 06:57 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: It's also worth keeping in mind that the free will of the incarnated entity is also a major consideration here. My own understanding is that when it comes to incarnated life, the 3D entity's free will is ultimately supreme - even above that of their higher self which has designed the experiences. Hopefully their wills are mostly aligned, but if their desires or goals end up diverging, the 3D entity is ultimately "captain of the ship." As such, they would be free to ignore, avoid, or even outright reject planned lessons.
How do you reconcile that with the Ra quote? The bolded part:
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. We believe we grasp the heart of your query. Please request further information if we are not correct.
The incarnating entity which has become conscious of the incarnative process and thus programs its own experience may choose the amount of catalyst or, to phrase this differently, the number of lessons which it will undertake to experience and to learn from in one incarnation. This does not mean that all is predestined, but rather that there are invisible guidelines shaping events which will function according to this programming. Thus if one opportunity is missed another will appear until the, shall we say, student of the life experience grasps that a lesson is being offered and undertakes to learn it.
Because on the one hand, you're saying that an entity may reject or avoid lessons and the higher self just has to accept that as the entity's free will. But on the other hand, Ra is saying that the Higher Self will just keep placing the lesson in front of the entity UNTIL it accepts. Like, it's as if the entity has no choice but no eventually cave in to the Higher Self's lessons! Otherwise they will just keep popping up and intensifying forever.
RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - Aion - 04-19-2017
I think the problem is the perception that there is a any true difference between the self and the higher self. It is this idea that it is 'other than' one's own self that creates the problem of seeming imposition. That is to say that the higher self is still you, just existing 'beyond the veil', while you are also focused in a body here on this plane. When you 'penetrate the veil', you are actually just revealing the higher self that you are.
RE: Is EVERYTHING placed there by your Higher Self? - APeacefulWarrior - 04-20-2017
(04-19-2017, 04:36 PM)sjel Wrote:(04-19-2017, 06:57 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: It's also worth keeping in mind that the free will of the incarnated entity is also a major consideration here. My own understanding is that when it comes to incarnated life, the 3D entity's free will is ultimately supreme - even above that of their higher self which has designed the experiences. Hopefully their wills are mostly aligned, but if their desires or goals end up diverging, the 3D entity is ultimately "captain of the ship." As such, they would be free to ignore, avoid, or even outright reject planned lessons.
How do you reconcile that with the Ra quote? The bolded part:
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. We believe we grasp the heart of your query. Please request further information if we are not correct.
The incarnating entity which has become conscious of the incarnative process and thus programs its own experience may choose the amount of catalyst or, to phrase this differently, the number of lessons which it will undertake to experience and to learn from in one incarnation. This does not mean that all is predestined, but rather that there are invisible guidelines shaping events which will function according to this programming. Thus if one opportunity is missed another will appear until the, shall we say, student of the life experience grasps that a lesson is being offered and undertakes to learn it.
Because on the one hand, you're saying that an entity may reject or avoid lessons and the higher self just has to accept that as the entity's free will. But on the other hand, Ra is saying that the Higher Self will just keep placing the lesson in front of the entity UNTIL it accepts. Like, it's as if the entity has no choice but no eventually cave in to the Higher Self's lessons! Otherwise they will just keep popping up and intensifying forever.
I think Ra was basically presenting an ideal and\or "everyday" example. After all, the fact that the learner is capable of missing or ignoring a given lesson illustrates that they do ultimately have free will in the situation.
And we know from the materials that it's entirely possible for a Wanderer to learn all the "wrong" lessons from given catalyst, in certain situations. The case of the two 4D Positive Wanderers discussed in Session 89 who ended up turning into tyrants and flipping Negative is a fine example of this. The lessons they learned from that life were pretty much the opposite of what they'd intended to learn in planning the life, but none the less, they had the free will and empowerment to flip Negative despite that.
If their higher selves' willpower was ultimately supreme, such an outcome should not be possible.