11-08-2010, 04:51 PM
(11-08-2010, 06:35 AM)@ndy Wrote:(11-07-2010, 07:39 PM)unity100 Wrote: unfortunately, there is always 'us' and 'them' and 'they' and 'others' at any given point in existence.
That is a way of seeing it. It's not the only way.
Think of water - It can be in many forms, many places, many drops - it's still water.
it is not water. it is waves on the water. the waves and ripples occurring out of the water are what are considered as 'entities' that 'exists'. thats the definition of existence - vibrating ripples of water.
and, there are infinite refractions, and each refraction is different. else there would be little point to have infinite refractions.
however that is a too deep way to look at them.
you are not able to do 6d work, while incarnated in a 2d body in 2d planetary conditions. and, a 2d entity cannot incarnate in a 6d body to do 6d work in 6d.
there are places that things fit.
Quote:Is it possible that we are not in many places all at once?
no it isnt. if you are here, then you are not somewhere else.
the particular face of your multi-faceted existence that is you, is concentrated on this existence now. the fact that there is probably another face of your multi-faceted existence concentrating and looking at some other reality, does not make you, that face.
being united does not mean you are exactly what you are united with.
Quote:Again this seems to to be looking at it in a very limited way, I have no idea what I am - certainly bit of me is here, I may also be a tick on a hedgehogs bum.
as above.
Quote:and I feel very greatful for it
thats great. for your next incarnation, you may choose to incarnate on a planet some 3d crowd may have tethering on the brink of total destruction. what a thrill.
Quote:I agree that letting them keep burning down houses would be a silly thing to do. Putting them in therapy - is that not making it someone else’s problem?
im sure there are specialized sources in this universe, which are experts in dealing with such stuff and healing things.
tho, the natural way would be to have whomever broke it, fix it. but :
Quote:If it were my child I'd be keen to know were I was going wrong as a parent - want to know more about my child and see if there was a better outlet for there love of fire.
in this particular case, the parents need to be kept away from the children themselves. hence, the quarantine.
Quote:I'd agree with this. I also believe in allowing people the freedom to express there selves.
I can't know the lessons people need to learn for them selves, and wouldn't like to assume that I do.
I agree that when interfering with others that you need to consider if your 'help' is truly needed - or is helpful.
moreover, for ANYthing to happen, there has to be some place that things can happen first.
in physical incarnation context of 3d, that is a planet. there has to be planet, for there to be a 3d incarnation. if there is no planet, there cant be an incarnation.
it is beyond logical to let any student blow up entire planets.
Quote:Quote:how would you like to continue the rest of your spiritual studies in a mental asylum just for the sake of it then ? and ditch all of this ? you can draw innumerable conclusions by watching a patient that constantly scratches his head, instead of talking, for example. there is probably the meaning of infinite densities hidden in that head scratch.
I've had friends spend time in hospitals, it has been a lesson for them at that time on there path.
you are escaping the context here. in the context you put it, it wouldnt be 'spending time' in hospitals. it would be having everyone live in an asylum.
Quote:Personally - at the moment, I feel no need to be in a mental health unit
Though were I to enter one for what ever reason, I'm sure I would find things to learn there.
so, then, it happens to be that you actually dont need to be in a mental health unit, for whatever reason .... in the rather exaggerating approach you made for the benefits of a place with conditions of asylum, it sounded like anyone would be ripping their clothes off to be able to get into an asylum for spiritual progression.
that's my point.
(11-08-2010, 08:35 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Ok, so there's some hypothetical race of bloodthirsty monsters.
a race of bloodthirsty monsters, would have some stability, direction. they would thirst for blood, but they would not destroy the source they were getting the blood from.
however, in this case, these entities are destroying their very existence even. destroying souls.
Quote:Why are they here, how did we invite them? How are they and us processing karma together?
noone invited them. they were put here, by a guardian race, for 3d incarnations.
other guardians, the council governing this locale, has allowed it.
Quote:I go with the witches saying "Even if it's not my fault it's still my responsibility"
Otherwise you just get stuck in the blame/victim routines that are the number one passtime on this world.
no, its not your responsibility, if you are not directly responsible for it.
another entity cannot go around taking responsibility for other entities. there is no end to that.
and, doing as such would constitute 'learning in place of another'.
(11-08-2010, 09:32 AM)@ndy Wrote: I'd agree with your conclusion, reflection and consideration is helpful to grow
What is confusing for me is you seem to be implying that the Guardians should regret the choices they made.
I'm not sure that regret is a useful tool for growth.
it doesnt matter how they approached the reflection matter. regret, reflect, whatever they will do, they need to do.
i would say that the scope of the mistake here is on a regret level.
(11-08-2010, 02:09 PM)@ndy Wrote: I agree, but wasn't Yahweh doing what they believed to be the right thing.
Just as a parent would try and help, the infant still has free will.
The parent can't know in advance what the child will do with that - but dose what they think to be the best for the child.
and so ? how does that even begin to alleviate the situation ?
while martians were blowing up entire 3d on their planet, they were genuinely thinking that they were doing it for 'good', and positive causes, as we are told. actually it seems this was a general pattern.
it doesnt have much difference from conquering societies and enslaving them for 'good' and true religion.
Quote:I'm just not sure why the need for denial or regret if Yahweh has acted with only the interests of helping others.
That suggests that one way is better than the other or they made a mistake - it may have been different, but who are we to guess if it would have been better.
I find life here pritty amazing for all it's ups and downs.
yahweh allowed the 3d entities they were responsible for, to blow up an entire planetary density.
then, they brought them here, and gave them better bodies (why were the other incarnates undeserving of those better bodies, again ?). moreover, they have tried to mate with them to make some of them even bigger.
doing screwups or negative acts with the intention of 'helping others' does NOT change the results.
'oh, i blew up an entire galaxy - but i was intending of helping !!!'
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