Quote:24.3 Questioner: Thank you. Then I assume that the Confederation stayed away from Earth for a period of time. What condition created the next contact that the Confederation made?

Ra: I am Ra. In approximately 3,600 of your years in the past, as you measure time, there was an influx of those of the Orion group, as you call them. Due to the increasing negative influences upon thinking and acting distortions, they were able to begin working with those whose impression from olden times, as you may say, was that they were special and different.

An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu. Here the Orion group found fertile soil in which to plant the seeds of negativity, these seeds, as always, being those of the elite, the different, those who manipulate or enslave others.

The one known as Yahweh felt a great responsibility to these entities. However, the Orion group had been able to impress upon the peoples the name Yahweh as the one responsible for this elitism. Yahweh then was able to take what you would call stock of its vibratory patterns and became, in effect, a more eloquently effective sound vibration complex.

In this complex the old Yahweh, now unnamed, but meaning “He comes,” began to send positively oriented philosophy. This was approximately, in your past, of 3,300 years. Thus, the intense portion of what has become known as Armageddon was joined.

(10-27-2010, 05:18 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: I'm completly confused.

I thought the genetic manipulation was done for a body compatible with 3rd density experience???

Were there 3rd density entities before 75,000 years ago?

I'm really confused...........I have always been confused by the 75,00 year scenario - the harvest is every 25,000 years 2 minor harvests and then the grand harvest which is approaching that would mean there was no harvest before 75,000 years; does this mean there was no 3rd density entities???????

Were Neanderthals 2nd density? There is a discrepancy between Homo sapiens (Wise human) and Homo sapiens sapiens (Wise wise humans).

I'm still confused.

(10-27-2010, 05:18 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: I'm completly confused.

I thought the genetic manipulation was done for a body compatible with 3rd density experience???

Were there 3rd density entities before 75,000 years ago?

Quote:I'm really confused...........I have always been confused by the 75,00 year scenario - the harvest is every 25,000 years 2 minor harvests and then the grand harvest which is approaching that would mean there was no harvest before 75,000 years; does this mean there was no 3rd density entities???????

Quote:Were Neanderthals 2nd density? There is a discrepancy between Homo sapiens (Wise human) and Homo sapiens sapiens (Wise wise humans).

I'm still confused.

(10-28-2010, 05:19 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(10-27-2010, 05:18 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: I'm completly confused.

I thought the genetic manipulation was done for a body compatible with 3rd density experience???

Were there 3rd density entities before 75,000 years ago?

yahweh seems to have done those mods to body complexes at the start of 3rd on this planet, 75 k years ago. in order to make stronger bodies that could 'understand the Law of One'.

(actually it seems whatever is happening to this planet is happening because of this hasty pushing of 'Law of One' to entities which have no need, leave aside capability to understand it yet .... yahweh, atlantis, egypt, all those religions etc)

Quote:I'm really confused...........I have always been confused by the 75,00 year scenario - the harvest is every 25,000 years 2 minor harvests and then the grand harvest which is approaching that would mean there was no harvest before 75,000 years; does this mean there was no 3rd density entities???????

75,000 years ago, there was no 3 d on this planet, we are told.

Quote:Were Neanderthals 2nd density? There is a discrepancy between Homo sapiens (Wise human) and Homo sapiens sapiens (Wise wise humans).

I'm still confused.

dont know. probably early 3rd, late 2nd. or maybe they were the ones modified by yahweh ?

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now, then, is there also a discrepancy in dates ? see this :

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=10&sc=1&ss=1#15

apparently lemuria was 63,000 years ago. even if we say it sank 63,000 years ago, how can yahweh have done modifications on the entities who came to egypt in the dispersion after the sinking of the land mass mu ?

because, yahweh is told to have made those modifications 75,000 years ago. lemuria was 63,000 years ago, (that is if it sank at that date too even), so there is minimum of 12,000 years difference in between these.

so, how could have yahweh modified the entities which came to egypt after sinking of mu 63,000 years ago, but somehow do it 75,000 years ago ?

Quote:9.5 Questioner: Where did the people who are like us who were the first ones here, where did they come from? From where did they evolve?

Ra: I am Ra. You speak of third-density experience. The first of those to come here were brought from another planet in your solar system called by you the Red Planet, Mars. This planet’s environment became inhospitable to third-density beings. The first entities, therefore, were of this race, as you may call it, manipulated somewhat by those who were guardians at that time.

9.6 Questioner: What race is that, and how did they get from Mars to here?

Ra: I am Ra. The race is a combination of the mind/body/spirit complexes of those of your so-called Red Planet and a careful series of genetical adjustments made by the guardians of that time. These entities arrived, or were preserved, for the experience upon your sphere by a type of birthing which is non-reproductive, but consists of preparing genetic material for the incarnation of the mind/body/spirit complexes of those entities from the Red Planet. *

9.7 Questioner: I assume from what you are saying that the guardians transferred the race here after the race had died from the physical as we know it on Mars. Is that correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

9.8 Questioner: The guardians were obviously acting within an understanding of the Law of One in doing this. Can you explain the application of the Law of One in this process?
Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One was named by these guardians as the bringing of the wisdom of the guardians in contact with the entities from the Red Planet, thus melding the social memory complex of the guardian race and the Red Planet race. It, however, took an increasing amount of distortion into the application of the Law of One from the viewpoint of other guardians and it is from this beginning action that the quarantine of this planet was instituted, for it was felt that the free will of those of the Red Planet had been abridged.

9.9 Questioner: Were the entities of the Red Planet following the Law of One prior to leaving the Red Planet?
Ra: I am Ra. The entities of the Red Planet were attempting to learn the Laws of Love which form one of the primal distortions of the Law of One. However, the tendencies of these people towards bellicose actions caused such difficulties in the atmospheric environment of their planet that it became inhospitable for third-density experience before the end of its cycle. Thus, the Red Planet entities were unharvested and continued in your illusion to attempt to learn the Law of Love.

9.10 Questioner: How long ago did this transfer occur from the Red Planet to Earth?
Ra: I am Ra. In your time this transfer occurred approximately 75,000 years ago.

9.11 Questioner: 75,000 years ago?
Ra: I am Ra. This is approximately correct.

Quote:*Ra: I am Ra. The Yahweh group worked with those of the planet you call Mars 75,000 years ago in what you would call the cloning process. There are differences, but they lie in the future of your time/space continuum and we cannot break the free will Law of Confusion.

Quote:20.25 Questioner: Back in the first 25,000 year period, or major cycle, what type of aid was given by the Confederation to the entities who were in this 25,000 year period so that they would have the opportunity to grow?

Ra: I am Ra. The Confederation members which dwell in inner-plane existence within the planetary complex of vibratory densities worked with these entities. There was also the aid of one of the Confederation which worked with those of Mars in making the transition.

Quote:20.19 Questioner: What percentage of the entities who were here in third density at that time were Martian and what percentage were harvested from Earth’s second density?

Ra: I am Ra. There were perhaps one-half of the third-density population being entities from the Red Planet, Mars, as you call it. Perhaps one-quarter from second density of your planetary sphere. Approximately one-quarter from other sources, other planetary spheres whose entities chose this planetary sphere for third-density work.

Quote:An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu.

Quote:They sent out those who survived and reached many places in what you call Russia, North America, and South America. The Indians of whom you come to feel some sympathy in your social complex distortions are the descendants of these entities. Like the other incarnates of this cycle, they came from elsewhere. However, these particular entities were largely from a second-density planet which had some difficulty, due to the age of its sun, in achieving third-density life conditions. This planet was from the galaxy Deneb.

Quote:10.6 Questioner: Then our human race is formed of a few who originally came from Maldek and quite a few who came from Mars. Are there entities here from other places?

Ra: I am Ra. There are entities experiencing your time/space continuum who have originated from many, many places, as you would call them, in the creation, for when there is a cycle change, those who must repeat then find a planetary sphere appropriate for this repetition. It is somewhat unusual for a planetary mind/body/spirit complex to contain those from many, many various loci, but this explains much, for, you see, you are experiencing the third-dimension occurrence with a large number of those who must repeat the cycle. The orientation, thus, has been difficult to unify even with the aid of many of your teach/learners.

Quote:Then what was the second-density form—what did it look like—that became Earth-man in the third density? What did he look like in the second density?

Ra: I am Ra. The difference between second- and third-density bodily forms would in many cases have been more like one to the other. In the case of your planetary sphere the process was interrupted by those who incarnated here from the planetary sphere you call Mars. They were adjusted by genetic changing and, therefore, there was some difference which was of a very noticeable variety rather than the gradual raising of the bipedal forms upon your second-density level to third-density level. This has nothing to do with the so-called placement of the soul. This has only to do with the circumstances of the influx of those from that culture.

(11-01-2010, 08:57 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Just to note, this is the last of several third density cycles here.

(11-02-2010, 03:15 AM)crystl37 Wrote:

Quote:20.19 Questioner: What percentage of the entities who were here in third density at that time were Martian and what percentage were harvested from Earth’s second density?

Ra: I am Ra. There were perhaps one-half of the third-density population being entities from the Red Planet, Mars, as you call it. Perhaps one-quarter from second density of your planetary sphere. Approximately one-quarter from other sources, other planetary spheres whose entities chose this planetary sphere for third-density work.

I haven't seen an direct reference to the Mars coalition as becoming the Mu, but I think that in light of all this we can safely conclude, that as far as Ra as told it:

Quote:An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu.

that those of Mu were in fact the products of the Red Planet cloning program, that they were spread many places, one of which is Egypt, and that those particular beings were of the genetic predisposition to be influenced towards STS polarization by Orion influences.

As for the Deneb reference in this passage:

Quote:They sent out those who survived and reached many places in what you call Russia, North America, and South America. The Indians of whom you come to feel some sympathy in your social complex distortions are the descendants of these entities. Like the other incarnates of this cycle, they came from elsewhere. However, these particular entities were largely from a second-density planet which had some difficulty, due to the age of its sun, in achieving third-density life conditions. This planet was from the galaxy Deneb.

I am going to make another semi-educated leap here and propose that when Ra says these particular entities were largely from a second-density planet which had some difficulty, due to the age of its sun, in achieving third-density life conditions he is speaking of The Indians of whom you come to feel some sympathy in your social complex [i]distortions.

Quote:And the Martian/yahweh influenced Mu, including Egytpians, were another group displaced by the tectonic plate shifts.

(11-01-2010, 08:57 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Did not the Logos make the beginning cycle changes as it does for every cycle (and as it will do at the end of this cycle)? My understanding (remembrance) is that Neanderthal body was modified to become more fragile so as to make the mind/body/spirit complex less dependent upon strength and more dependent upon the mind. Independent changes, such as those made by Yahweh, were independent of those of the Logos.

Just to note, this is the last of several third density cycles here.

Quote:the latter part, makes mu from deneb. also, chinese are from deneb too, passing in a reference in the 2nd cycle.

if so, it cant be that mu people were from mars.

a possibility may exist, for people from mars also incarnating into mu among deneb people.

Quote:Yahweh’s Efforts
18.14 Questioner: Can you tell me how Yahweh communicated to Earth’s people?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat complex question.

The first communication was what you would call genetic. The second communication was the walking among your peoples to produce further genetic changes in consciousness. The third was a series of dialogues with chosen channels.

18.15 Questioner: Can you tell me what these genetic changes were and how they were brought about?
Ra: I am Ra. Some of these genetic changes were in a form similar to what you call the cloning process. Thus, entities incarnated in the image of the Yahweh entities. The second was a contact of the nature you know as sexual, changing the mind/body/spirit complex through the natural means of the patterns of reproduction devised by the intelligent energy of your physical complex.

Quote:18.20 Questioner: When did Yahweh act to perform the genetic changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The Yahweh group worked with those of the planet you call Mars 75,000 years ago in what you would call the cloning process. There are differences, but they lie in the future of your time/space continuum and we cannot break the free will Law of Confusion.

The 2,600, approximately, time was the second time—we correct ourselves: 3,600—approximately, the time of attempts by those of the Orion group during this cultural complex; this was a series of encounters in which the ones called Anak were impregnated with the new genetic coding by your physical complex means so that the organisms would be larger and stronger.

Quote:24.5 Questioner: Then Yahweh, in an attempt to correct what I might call a mistake (I know you don’t want to call it that), started 3,300 years ago a positive philosophy. Were the Orion and Yahweh philosophies impressed telepathically, or were there other techniques used?

Ra: I am Ra. There were two other techniques used: one by the entity no longer called Yahweh, who still felt that if it could raise up entities which were superior to the negative forces, that these superior entities could spread the Law of One. Thus this entity, “Yod-Heh-Shin-Vau-Heh,” came among your people in form according to incarnate being and mated in the normal reproductive manner of your physical complexes, thus birthing a generation of much larger beings, these beings called “Anak.”

The other method used to greater effect later in the scenario, as you would call it, was the thought-form such as we often use among your peoples to suggest the mysterious or the sublime. You may be familiar with some of these appearances.

Quote:An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu. Here the Orion group found fertile soil in which to plant the seeds of negativity, these seeds, as always, being those of the elite, the different, those who manipulate or enslave others.

(11-05-2010, 01:43 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: I understood Ra to have said that African people are the only original 2D to 3D of this planet. All else are genetically seeded.

(11-05-2010, 05:56 PM)unity100 Wrote: So it seems basically, maybe half of the woes and problems of this planet of entire 7 billion people, all our wars, control schemes, structures, and way too high technology usage compared to the spiritual levels and all the destruction and problems these bring, we owe to yahweh and their martian children. thats what i concluded after some days of thinking.

(11-05-2010, 08:06 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(11-05-2010, 05:56 PM)unity100 Wrote: So it seems basically, maybe half of the woes and problems of this planet of entire 7 billion people, all our wars, control schemes, structures, and way too high technology usage compared to the spiritual levels and all the destruction and problems these bring, we owe to yahweh and their martian children. thats what i concluded after some days of thinking.

Yep.

(11-06-2010, 05:30 AM)unity100 Wrote: heh. it seems yahweh shouldnt be let closer than '2 parsecs' to this planet. but, in the end, arent they responsible what they have done. who will fix it in their place. shouldnt they themselves fix it.

(11-05-2010, 05:56 PM)unity100 Wrote: So it seems basically, maybe half of the woes and problems of this planet of entire 7 billion people, all our wars, control schemes, structures, and way too high technology usage compared to the spiritual levels and all the destruction and problems these bring, we owe to yahweh and their martian children. thats what i concluded after some days of thinking.

(11-06-2010, 11:32 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote:

(11-05-2010, 05:56 PM)unity100 Wrote: So it seems basically, maybe half of the woes and problems of this planet of entire 7 billion people, all our wars, control schemes, structures, and way too high technology usage compared to the spiritual levels and all the destruction and problems these bring, we owe to yahweh and their martian children. thats what i concluded after some days of thinking.

Or... we could take responsibility for our own nature...

(11-06-2010, 11:32 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote:

(11-05-2010, 05:56 PM)unity100 Wrote: So it seems basically, maybe half of the woes and problems of this planet of entire 7 billion people, all our wars, control schemes, structures, and way too high technology usage compared to the spiritual levels and all the destruction and problems these bring, we owe to yahweh and their martian children. thats what i concluded after some days of thinking.

Or... we could take responsibility for our own nature...