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    02-09-2017, 01:01 PM
    (02-09-2017, 11:47 AM)jeremy6d Wrote:
    (02-05-2017, 01:29 AM)Aion Wrote: Also, I was reading Jeremy's post at the top of the page and I have some thoughts to add to the notion of catalyst. First that it affects body, mind and spirit and that each of these processes its own catalyst. It's not just 'all in the mind' I don't believe.

    Thanks for pointing this out, Aion.  Not sure whether we agree or not, so let me clarify my statement in the hopes that I can learn from you what I'm missing.

    The way I model the process is like so:

    1. Starting with distortion in thinking, blockages manifest -- either as a result of thinking, or as part of the same process that entails the thinking
    2. Catalyst emerges from this potentiation that constitutes these blockages/thoughts
    3. Passing through the veil, catalyst informs the waking experience of the entity
    4. If the response to experience is a choice to change thinking, the blockage is unblocked and healing/polarization results depending on the choice
    5. If the response is to ignore the choice, the blockage persists, resulting in more catalyst and, depending on the degree of choice, polarization
    6. Since the body is the reflection of the mind, the body is the final inflection point of catalyst in experience

    So what I'm wondering about your point, Aion, is this: surely catalyst affects spirit and body in addition to mind.  But in terms of our agency in processing catalyst in waking incarnation, what is there available to us to change other than thought?

    For what it's worth, I largely agree with the latter part of your post.  There seems to be some sort of strange feedback loop that extends from spirit through mind into body, reaching an inflection point, and traveling back up.  So as the mediator between spirit and body I ascribe a great deal of primacy to thought.  But I am open to any alternative notion that would help me understand this better, so thank you for contributing and I hope you can help me clarify my thinking here.

    Honestly, i do notteally agree.
    I would describe the process as follows:

    -you set up the areas you want to work on in your incarnation beforehand
    -you select the surroundings, which point in time, country, society, parents
    -you make sure you will have early experiences that set up or re-actualize your blockages by means of traumatic experiences.
    -after you experienced this, the blockages will all be in place. All following experiences in life will most likely follow this early-set-up pattern. You will attract similar experiences, causing similar emotions.
    At some point, if you re lucky and wake up, you will start to process these emotions, first by catalyst that evokes similar emotions, then gradually getting closerand closer to the original experience. Each time you re presented with catalyst you can make the choice how to respond to it. Allowing the emotion and (if possible) choose love, or suppressing the emotion and strngthen seperation.

    Surely, thinking will be involved, in so far as you will be able to consciously decide for dealing withthe situation and how to respond to it.
    But, imagine a child being raped for example. There is no way of enough consciousness being present to make a choice for love in such a situation.
    In this case you would need to process the old emotions first, Before you would be able to consciously make a choice.

    So, ultimately it is about emotions rather than thoughts, i would say.
    I rarely met someone who is not able to deal with a thought, but i met many who cannot deal with many emotions Wink
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