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    Aion (Offline)

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    02-01-2017, 01:01 PM
    (01-31-2017, 07:25 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:
    (01-31-2017, 12:15 PM)Aion Wrote:
    (01-31-2017, 05:22 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: I find it hard to imagine transcending that which makes up the very essence of all creation.

    Intelligent Energy and Intelligent Infinity.  Believe me when I say I've tried to.

    I imagine Intellect is just a micro-microcosm of the Intelligent intelligence of infinity.

    Imagining is different from experiencing directly. Of course you cannot imagine anything other than what is imaginable and precisely why I do not think the truth of reality is to be seen in the imagination of the intellect. I don't believe you can grasp the nature of reality purely through intellectual rearrangement of ideas. I believe it is only possible to really understand it through direct interaction. Otherwise it's like looking at the moon and believing you are getting to know the truth of the sun.

    Truth is, I think the intellect is illusory and the true nature of mind is nothing like all this 'content' we experience here. Thinking as it is is a 'veiled' activity in my understanding.

    Empty your mind of everything, every idea and every concept and I think that is reaching closer to the truth. This emptiness could also be described as 'equilibrium' and is why balancing is the crux of all 'progress' towards unification.

    Equilibrium itself is an illusion of stability created by various forces working in harmony.
    Imagine a glass of tea, you pour a little bit of lemon water in it for flavor but the mixture is akin to oil and vinegar, so to mix it you gently gyrate your wrist to push the water along the edges in a circular fashion, if you start too fast the mixture spills, but if you start slow, start the rotations in the body of liquid within the glass, you can speed up due to the rotational force pulling the liquid back inwards.

    It's ability to not overflow isn't an equilibrium as much as it is just several forces working together to stabilize the total manifesting movements from going too far out of the desireable range.

    Actually, rereading all of that, it might be rude to call equilibrium a 'total illusion' as the forces making it up are all illusions.
    (FUUUuu- What's even real anymore, Maaaaan?!!  I'm tripping mentally and I'm totally sober D: )

    I believe intellect is of itself a construction of concepts both rational and abstract given a complex in-and-of-itself to operate and inform the consciousness inhabiting the 3D vehicle.  I totally misunderstood what you meant too, I thought you meant contemplate, not actually perform eh heh, so I must apologize and ask you consider this new answer from me to your post:

    Quote:The question to me is, why rely so much on the intellect to obtain a vision of truth? Yes, you have realized the paradoxical and self-contradictory nature of pure thought, but then go further, transcend the intellect and you may reach closer to the truth of nature, if you ask me.

    I personally believe that the various tools we have at our exposal (intelligence, intellect, imagination, abstraction, visualization, thought's-themselves, emotions, intuition, ad-infinitum-etc... ) are actually also Keys to unlocking the nature of 'Truth' that is available to be unlocked or experienced in the occupied Density.

    One must have self-awareness to make use of the plethora of tools that exist, a lack of sentience doesn't bar one from these tools but it's a lot harder to use a tool of construction when you have no idea that you're capable of construction.

    This concept of 'an idea' or 'no idea' is important in my opinion when regarding things like Intelligent Infinity and it's various facets of manifested truth, as in my opinion Truth itself is not manifest or potentiated, but majorly exists as a pure concept or 'idea'.  We human's have run into this issue of combating an 'idea', there is nothing manifest that can fight an idea directly.

    So to me, using the imagination and intellect to parse a direction of an idea of 'Truth' is my foundation, this foundation has the cornerstones of: Emotional Information (as in a 'formulation of information from emotional experience'), Intuitive Information, Abstract Construction/Deconstruction, and, well this last one is hard to describe because it isn't a simple cornerstone.  It's the sum of all of my experiences informing my present state, you could call it simply, the cornerstone of Life Experience.

    It's also my weakest cornerstone as I have not been very earnest in experiencing this reality fully, I want to be a part of nature but not struggle within it, I want to be a part of society but not conform to it's standardizations.  So you have touched upon one of my core weaknesses, not wanting to manifest situations for myself to experience to help further parse my pathway towards the idea of Truth available to me.

    Let me be frank with you all; we are all Truth-Seekers, no?  In this lifelong journey the universe manifest a distortion, but none-the-less a form of Truth for us to discover in the form of; The Law of One becoming available knowledge on Earth.

    I believe that this alone is indicative of Truth being wholly within grasp to anyone, even the mundane spiritually unaware 3D being can stumble upon Truth, in fact I'm more than sure such has happened.  Specifically as an example, those who disappear over the Bermuda Triangle pyramid are being transported through distortions in the space/time continuum into another portion of our space/time continuum.  The journey itself from point A to point B through that temporal distortion would be itself a direct experience of witnessing truth, Truth that Time itself is not purely absolutely fixed, and that it's passage can be circumvented if not overcome.

    Truth, what is Truth?  How does one discover it or make sense of how to discover it, Aion?  Intellect isn't enough, experience isn't enough, I think it takes something more than simple tools and keys provided to the consciousness.  I think it takes consciousness itself to manifest Truth (hence distorting it into a knowable form from it's pure 'idea-form').

    Hence the reason Ra says that Consciousness is the Microcosm of the Law of One, it's as our cells build up our physical body to allow us to inhabit it, consciousness is that m/b/trillion/quadrillion/zillion portions that constitute and construct the higher formations and formulas, the same way all of the stars in the universe form the universe.

    I have actually never seen a discussion of this phrase, 'Consciousness is the Microcosm of the Law of One', I think it holds some means in helping us seek further 'The One Infinite Truth'.

    Honestly though, I think this 'One Infinite Truth' is the mystery-clad One Infinite Creator becoming -fully/absolutely- known, which I theorize is both im/possible, impossible in that infinity cannot ever be fully known without severing it's infinite nature, and in this endeavor Infinity too might just be an Illusion to the Law of One decree made by this mystery-clad figure as without things like space or time to manifest the...irrational nature of ever-expanding complexity, you're left with an environment that could be called 'known', leaving the mystery behind, showcasing infinity too as just another illusion and distortion of the one, who may very well itself transcend such human-based understandings as labels like 'infinity'.
    Yet, is also possible in that if the One Infinite that transcends the infinite nature and hence formulates it's illusion of being, can create like an artist with pen and ink, anything desireable from a formation of Illusion (or 'emptiness'), bringing full circle the concept dichotomy of something/nothing belonging to the same core energy.  This being possible due to the paradox that an illusion is still a real formulation with form and presence and manifestation, despite not being real.
    Essentially, all I'm saying is I think 'The Truth' is synonymous with discovery of 'The One Infinite Self' which is essentially not manifest or potentiated or belonging to things like Intelligent Energy or Intelligent Infinity but is itself a pure/purer/purist form of an 'Idea'. Which may very well just be 'Thought' but even more complex/simple.
    If as above so below applies ad infinitum, then we are discovering distorted actual parts of the One Self, that once distilled showcase portions of 'The Truth' despite these portions themselves being still distortions.

    Does an absolute knowledge of all infinity 'stabilize' it's exponential growth for a while, so that the one may parse what it has come to know of itself in a way that can be said to be 'the one becoming whole again'?

    There's also the fact that there exists an 'Original Thought' that spawned all of this, of which was said to be, as close as can be described to us, Unconditional Love.  Is this a mere microscopic facet of the One Infinite Self?

    Quick, someone get Ra on the line! I think I just figured out an entire question book to ask them!  Tongue

    But Aion, ultimately I have no idea how to take your suggestion into manifestation, how on this entire Planet of Earth am I supposed to 'perform' a transcendence of intellect?

    I'm a highly mental person, my physical vehicle has as a preincarnational ruleset a decent amount of limitations probably to help cultivate the continual refinement of my mental energies over my physical ones, and though the physical ones are still important, I feel that I'm here more to cultivate mind more so than body.

    Seriously though, some days I just want to pull a Forrest Gump and begin jogging across the nation to avoid my suffering and loneliness in place of physical exertion, but the reality is I'd probably die lol
    So, if you have any suggestions for me to 'perform transcending intellect', I'm open to them, but just know I probably won't be able to do what you suggest of me.

    Hey Jeremy, thank you for your reply, I'll get back to you later~

    Certainly many deep questions here, I see where you are coming from. I will start with Equilibrium. I am going to go to the total opposite to end and say that Equilibrium is the Truth and Infinity is Absolute Equilibrium, in my understanding. Thus, any distortion in that Perfect Equilibrium is therefore part of the manifestation of the Illusion. In Equilibrium is silence. Thus, to realize this perfect equilibrium which is to bring oneself in to ratio with the One is to achieve internal silence.

    Quote:50.8 Questioner: Thank you. How does the ability to hold visual images in mind allow the adept to do polarization in consciousness without external action?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is not a simple query, for the adept is one which will go beyond the green ray which signals entry into harvestability. The adept will not simply be tapping into intelligent energy as a means of readiness for harvest but tapping into both intelligent energy and intelligent infinity for the purpose of transmuting planetary harvestability and consciousness.

    The means of this working lie within. The key is first, silence, and secondly, singleness of thought. Thusly a visualization which can be held steady to the inward eye for several of your minutes, as you measure time, will signal the adept’s increase in singleness of thought. This singleness of thought then can be used by the positive adept to work in group ritual visualizations for the raising of positive energy, by negative adepts for the increase in personal power.

    Quote:5.2 Questioner: We have decided to accept, if offered, the honor/duty of learning/teaching the healing process. I would ask as to the first step which we should accomplish in becoming effective healers.

    Ra: I am Ra. We shall begin with the first of the three teachings/learnings.

    We begin with the mental learn/teachings necessary for contact with intelligent infinity. The prerequisite of mental work is the ability to retain silence of self at a steady state when required by the self. The mind must be opened like a door. The key is silence.

    Within the door lies an hierarchical construction you may liken unto geography and in some ways geometry, for the hierarchy is quite regular, bearing inner relationships.

    To begin to master the concept of mental discipline it is necessary to examine the self. The polarity of your dimension must be internalized. Where you find patience within your mind you must consciously find the corresponding impatience and vice versa. Each thought that a being has, has in its turn an antithesis. The disciplines of the mind involve, first of all, identifying both those things of which you approve and those things of which you disapprove within yourself, and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal. The mind contains all things. Therefore, you must discover this completeness within yourself.

    The second mental discipline is acceptance of the completeness within your consciousness. It is not for a being of polarity in the physical consciousness to pick and choose among attributes, thus building the roles that cause blockages and confusions in the already-distorted mind complex. Each acceptance smoothes part of the many distortions that the faculty you call judgment engenders.

    The third discipline of the mind is a repetition of the first but with the gaze outward towards the fellow entities that it meets. In each entity there exists completeness. Thus, the ability to understand each balance is necessary. When you view patience, you are responsible for mirroring in your mental understanding, patience/impatience. When you view impatience, it is necessary for your mental configuration of understanding to be impatience/patience. We use this as a simple example. Most configurations of mind have many facets, and understanding of either self polarities, or what you would call other-self polarities, can and must be understood as subtle work.

    The next step is the acceptance of the other-self polarities, which mirrors the second step.

    These are the first four steps of learning mental discipline. The fifth step involves observing the geographical and geometrical relationships and ratios of the mind, the other mind, the mass mind, and the infinite mind.

    The second area of learn/teaching is the study/understanding of the body complexes. It is necessary to know your body well. This is a matter of using the mind to examine how the feelings, the biases, what you would call the emotions, affect various portions of the body complex. It shall be necessary to both understand the bodily polarities and to accept them, repeating in a chemical/physical manifestation the work you have done upon the mind bethinking the consciousness.

    The body is a creature of the mind’s creation. It has its biases. The biological bias must be first completely understood and then the opposite bias allowed to find full expression in understanding. Again, the process of acceptance of the body as a balanced, as well as polarized, individual may then be accomplished.

    It is then the task to extend this understanding to the bodies of the other-selves whom you will meet. The simplest example of this is the understanding that each biological male is female; each biological female is male. This is a simple example. However, in almost every case wherein you are attempting the understanding of the body of self or other-self, you will again find that the most subtle discernment is necessary in order to fully grasp the polarity complexes involved.

    In the Ra material there is this very dominant idea of 'balancing' and what is the ultimate goal of balancing? Realizing an equilibrium within the self and as it is suggested as you achieve this equilibrium within yourself you become more like the One because the One is Perfect Equilibrium. Thus the movement in balance.

    I disagree that discovering the truth is knowing yourself as the Creator, I think the real revelation of truth comes when you BECOME the Creator, however this is adept work, but you seem to be someone with the passion to pursue the adept path, while seemingly being completely undesirious of facing the challenges on that path.

    The fact is, I think any structure is at best a 'map' and is not actually the truth of the nature of reality, more just an interface for navigating Infinity. It is all much simpler for me when the Truth is simple and pure, that is, absolute Equilibrium which holds all in potential. That is the Truth. Beyond that it's all about what you want to build, or destroy.

    The question here is if you are also the One Creator, why not consider that maybe you had your hand in creating this uncomfortable environment and situated yourself here? Also, if you are the One Creator and this is all the One Creator, why are you dissatisfied?,

    That is the real crux of all of these discussion in my eyes, is being driven by dissatisfaction. Now I won't say I'm totally satisfied, more I think the question of why the Creator 'explores' itself? I think dissatisfaction comes about as a catalyst to make you seek deeper.

    Seek deeper in to silence. Listen to the silence in your mind if you can find it. All that chatter has a ton of interesting questions and contemplating and all sorts of intriguing questions, but I don't think any contemplating except that of silence and singleness of thought can truly bring you closer in 'tuning' with the One Infinite.
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