05-15-2015, 02:29 PM
(05-15-2015, 11:52 AM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote:(05-12-2015, 05:28 AM)Tan.rar Wrote:Quote:69.22 Questioner: There are many techniques and ways of practicing so-called white magical arts. Are rituals designed by a particular group for their own particular use just as good or possibly better than those that have been practiced by groups such as the Order of the Golden Dawn and other magical groups?
Ra: I am Ra. Although we are unable to speak with precision on this query, we may note some gratification that the questioner has penetrated some of the gist of a formidable system of service and discipline.
It appears to me here that Ra is acknowledging the "formidable system of service and discipline" that is used by the Order of the Golden Dawn. The Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram which is used by the group for clearing their space is also of Golden Dawn origin. I was once informed that some of the higher adept workings in the Golden Dawn include trance channeling and keeping scribe. I have speculated that perhaps Ra, or one of the members of Ra rather, is one of the Secret Chiefs of the Golden Dawn.
I know next to nothing about the actual teaching of the Golden Dawn or the hierarchy of people and knowledge. Would you be suggesting that the Golden Dawn would be trance channeling Ra? Or perhaps Ra is interacting in a more direct sense?
I got the sense from the Ra material that Ra has decided not to interact directly and preferred the method of channeling as a teaching technique. And this particular passage seems to speak to their success in finding channels:
Quote:6.20
We have walked among your people. We remember. We remember sorrow. We have seen much. We have searched for an instrument of the proper parameters of distortion in mind/body/spirit complex and supporting and understanding group of mind/body/spirit complexes to accept this information with minimal distortion and maximal desire to serve for some of your years. The answer, in short, is yes. However, we wished you to know that in our memory we thank you.
I feel as though they are implying that their search has not been fruitful up until this certain point. Ra's particular distortions and desires may prevent them from sharing in certain ways and in certain contexts, based on their past experiences. However, that doesn't really say much about the sources the Golden Dawn may have access to through trance channeling. Ra is not the only member of the Confederation working with channels - not even the only 6th density memory complex. To a dedicated and pure group of magical workers, there is probably an abundance of potential positive sources in a similar vein as Ra.
More what I am implying is that the Ra Material appears, to me, as a slice taken out of the journey of the magician. Ra variously stated that combined as a group the channelers had only as much skill as a Neophyte (which is the first grade in the Golden Dawn), however their harmony together allowed them to access a much higher vibration and level of teaching than simply their skill would have allowed. So, I believe they were able to engage in an advanced work of magic due to their harmony without actually having accomplished the lesser work a magician would normally go through to get to that point of purity.
That being said, it only says there "for some of your years", so that says to me that they have found and utilized others, but they haven't found one in awhile. Considering this channeling happened in the 80's, and the Golden Dawn started in the late 1900's I would say almost a hundred years is 'some years' by that measure and it's not unreasonable to consider that perhaps the magicians of the Golden Dawn and prior have indeed managed such contacts.
Now that being said, I am still on the outside. I haven't joined the Golden Dawn yet so I do not know all the details of their working. I showed the Ra Material to the senior adept I know and he was the one who expressed that such a channeling would be the work of an adept however I would mention that he did not seem particularly impressed although he did find it interesting.
I admit, while I believe Ra offers a pure teaching, through a pure channel, there is something which has always seemed incomplete about the channeling.
However, my ultimate conclusion is that Ra very much acknowledges the Golden Dawn system as formidable.