Basis of Ra Material Interpretation and Focus of Law of One Study

[Shin'Ar]

Shin'Ar, you have come to a web forum in which many people are studying a specific material. Due to its nature, most people find little interest in it, some resonate with it, and some REALLY resonate with it. To this last group of people, this material gives light to their seeking and purpose to their life. To this last group, the material is not only knowledge for study, but it becomes a part of themselves, a sort of link to the divine within, and a real and genuine basis of understanding for the experience they find themselves in in this life. I am one of that third group of people. And I believe that the people who you are encountering difficulty with are also those who see a real, true light in the material.

Think of this forum, especially the Strictly Law of One Material forum and the Archetypes sub-forum, as a study group for the Ra Material. When one walks into a study group that is focused on a certain material, and begins to question the credibility of that material based on their own understanding of esoterica, and begins to expect those in the study group to converse with him on his own understanding, with his own terminology, then of course friction arises.

Bring4th is an L/L Research website. This forum, as a whole, is for communing with eachother in the light of the love we discover within ourselves, and which the Confederation material as channeled by L/L Research helps us to discover within ourselves. And the Strictly and Archetypes forums are for in-depth study of the material which gives L/L Research life, and with which some of us feel a deep, deep resonance with, for various reasons. So it's kind of expected that one entering this study group be prepared to study the material which is the focus of the group, and if not that, then at least have a willingness to read the material.

This forum is not elite or closed off to anyone except those who would seek to intentionally abuse it. This is because it is a positively oriented place. The goal is to be of service to everyone who it is possible to serve. Due to this openness, it's understandable that a great number of people will join, with varying resonance to the Ra Material. It's understandable that you do not have such a deep resonance with the material as some do. In my understanding, the deepest of resonance with the material is due not to outer interests, but inner identity. Thus, not all will resonate with it at the deepest levels. To those who aren't resonating with it as deeply, it may appear as a worshiping of the material or a belief in a complete infallibility of Ra's words. Please understand that that is not where our passions come from. They come from a place closer to identity.

Regardless, the best way to be of service is to attempt to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the self. So this mis-match in understanding between you and those who seek to use this forum to earnestly study the material on its own terms, can definitely be reconciled. It just takes a little willingness to hear eachother out, willingness to give eachother space to express themselves, and willingness to see each as the Creator.

So with that said, I would like to ask you to be understanding of those who see this material as the highest light, and to attempt to share your self and your understandings with regard and respect both to forum focus, and to those who you are sharing with. I promise to attempt to be understanding of you and your path of learning as well. Let's compare the knowledge that you and Ra has, and come to a greater understanding, instead of digging in our heels and being attached to certain methods of communication.

Thank you, all.

Extremely well spoken young man.

You, among many that I have dealt with here, have the true markings of a diplomat, and you will be of even greater service to humanity at some time in the future. You have always shown me respect and spoken with eloquence in your efforts to resolve issues that involved me.

You have earned my respect. You are the exact opposite of Ankh and so that will probably work in your favor, for you know the old adage. Ankh is much more like me in that she speaks her mind forthright. Although she does tend to be much more offended when she meets debate of her thinking.

Now that which you have pointed out here is wise counsel, but it is wisdom I have been practicing , or at least trying to practice, since I came into this community. Believe me that I am well aware of the different group dynamics in this place. I had just made mention of that in another thread to a new member in the Wanderer thread just yesterday. I do effort to remind myself of this daily, and sometimes get caught up in typing my thoughts in a post while at the same time trying to live life beyond this community, and sometimes the diplomatic struggle does get lost in that shuffle.

But for the most part I think I usually always have a good grip on the fact that I am dealing with specific fields which have varying degrees of attraction to the Ra Material. I also think that I have been in interaction with enough of the more veteran members to know which category they fall into.

Although I may not be able to converse with some of them easily because of the delicate need for that diplomatic trait that you bear so well, I do make the effort if they address me on a topic. And especially when they 'confront' me on an issue. Just as they would challenge such confrontation themselves.

I try to avoid the insults or the deliberate attempts to inflame the discussion. Anyone can go to any of my posts and I am pretty confident that you will not find any where I would be deliberately and without compassion, insulting another member here. And if someone takes something that I say as an insult just because I am not responding the way they think I should, THAT is not deliberate personal insult. And my attempt to tell them what my impressions might be is also not an insult.

Having pointed that out, I want to make sure that Ankh and Monica, especially because of their emotional sensitivity, and constant tendency to hear me in a manner that, if they were actually here with me personally, would not assume that manner, understand that I hold no ill feelings or dislike for anyone here in this community just because we may have disagreements in philosophic understanding and speculation.

That would be like me hating everyone in the library that uses the Christian reading material aisle. Please give me a little more credit than that.

Now, I understand completely what you are saying about the Strictly forum. It is a place for the in-depth study of the material. I think it should probably be somewhat redefined though, as a place for both cherishing what the Ra group has sent to us, for those like Ankh and yourself, to enjoy, but below I have another option more in tune for us all.




The discussion which Ankh came into problem with was one between the Greek and I about Ra's accurate use of the term 'Left Hand Path', in which I offered my definition of it, and we were having that discussion in mutual respect until a couple of others stepped in with their dismay, which supported Greek's reasoning, which I then had to address with my own reasoning. This sort of thing will take place in any forum, and is the reason those threads end up here.

Fort example, in that very thread, JustLikeYou responded to another member's post with this post,

"I still object. The manipulated are still served by being manipulated. If they do not have the will or the strength to polarize in response to an attempt to control, then such persons require more experience of being controlled in order to tire of it. Extreme acts of violence can also be grandfathered into this same conception, given the laws of karma which necessitate a reverse experience eventually.

When one serves the Creator, one serves All. This cannot be avoided."

He objects. His thinking is different from that of the other and he offers his objection and attempts to explain why.

If we are going to change the dynamics of the Strictly forum to be board, where only cherishing and interpretation that cannot be argued is the rule of thumb, you are not going to be able to avoid the clash of thought processes in the struggle to interpret according to personal understanding.

If you are going to challenge my thought processes and reasoning then you will have to do the same in JustLikeYou's case, and in every case where any disagreement over interpretation occurs.

I think the problem here is that those like you and Ankh, who do cherish the material and do not challenge any aspect of it all, (actually I happen to know that there are some aspects that you, yourself, have doubts over, but that is between you and I alone), have the mindset that it is absolute truth and that there should be no argument for that reason. In Ankh's case she takes offense whenever she confronts any challenge of the material she worships.

The problem is not in the challenges being made during interpretation of material regardless of what thread it is in, because it is the natural facade of any interpretation to have differences of thought processing by the various interpreters. This has been the way of life seen in virtually every religion amongst its students for thousands of years,

There will always be challenge to one thought over another when discussing interpretation because we do not all think alike, or interpret alike.

The real problem is the expectation/demand that there should be no difference. And I know that you know this, and I also know that many are PMing you about me with their distastes, tugging at your coattail, and you are doing your best to address it.

I also know that many here have concerns about my presence at all in the community because they are disturbed whenever my words tug at their desires and they sense the accuracy with which I make them feel guilty about certain matters.

But, if this community truly wants to be acknowledged as one of an open mind, without fear of scrutiny of their attraction to the Ra material, then they cannot have their cake and eat it too.

If this community wants to shut down all discerning and scrutiny of the Material, it will not be one of open minded thinking, which should be the essence and manifestation of Light and enlightenment.

I understand that you would like to have one forum where certain aspects of this community can go to worship without having to be affected by scrutiny. So why not open a specific forum for that to be had?

However, one which is claimed to be a board where, and I use your words,

"Discussion and questions in this study forum should be directly related to Law of One material. Whether asking a question or writing a thesis, whether writing about the chakras, physics, or Zach Galifianakis, all posts should be tied into, and make reference of, and be about the information within the Law of One books in some fashion."

... is not a forum designated fro worship or cherishing. It is clearly designated as a study forum, and no mention is made that there should not be any individual interpretations made in the course of that study,(as there really should not be), in an open minded group.

Below is the description of the Archetype forum,

"Welcome to our study of the Archetypical Mind of the local sub-Logos we lovingly call "the Sun". In Book IV of the Law of One Material, Don and Ra begin a deep, yet incomplete exploration of this "blueprint" of our 3D experience. This blueprint goes by a number of different titles in esoteric circles, but most they are commonly known as: the Major Arcana of the Tarot, the twenty-two paths on the Tree of Life, and the 10 planets plus the 12 signs in astrology. Each of these provides a different angle on the Archetypes. The angle that Don and Ra used was the Tarot.

While each may have her own reasons for seeking to view this blueprint in a conscious and hopefully relatively undistorted way, it is this seeking which we all share. Our effort here is therefore to both collectively and individually seek not only to bridge the myriad gaps which Don and Ra left in describing this blueprint, but also to assist each other in approaching a vision of the Archetypical Mind which does not rely on any outside source"
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Now first of all I point that you do acknowledge that the Ra Material offers only an incomplete summary of The Tarot. Therefore that immediately opens the door to FURTHER INTERPRETATION and putting together the WHOLE, from OUTSIDE SOURCES. If incomplete, how could we possibly have a discussion on The Tarot as a whole dynamic. That would be akin to trying to understand The Tarot by only using three of its cards.

Secondly you espouse the honorable intention of trying to bridge the gap, a gap that Ankh and others with her mindset, would not like to bridge, and also to ,'approach... a vision of the Archetypical Mind which does not rely on any outside source..."

This immediately acknowledges both, that we are 'efforting to approach', and that until that goal is reached 'outside sources' will be resident.

Aaron, Ankh, and all, these guidelines do not describe accurately 'YOUR' hopes for the environment of those forums, nor should they if honest and open minded discussion is to be had.

It is my advise, and humble opinion, that what 'YOU' seek is a place of refuge from scrutiny, where ONLY cherishing the material and speculations of the Ra group is related.

In such a place, only those wishing to place faith in that material, and relish whatever appeasement they find from it, will enter. It will be a place free of personal interpretation and challenge of the material with thought process because all will of one mind and interest there. It will not be an open minded forum. It will be an elite forum for those wishing to drink from what they believe is the nutritional value of the material.

There is no reason why you should not have a forum like that and any who choose to enter it, should be free from the issues confronted in these other study forums.

I am not here to worship Ra. I am here to scrutinize the material to see if there is anything within that contributes to that which I have already acquired for understanding and wisdom.

Why others may come here is their own concern.

My advice to all is that if you want to offer a forum where people can scrutinize the material to discover what is there, then do without the wishful thinking that all would come to take advantage of such a generous offering to mankind, will accept on faith and without scrutiny.

I do not think that would be in line with what the Ra group had in mind for their offering. And I do not think that is what Don, Jim and Carla had in mind for going public with their find. They knew all too well that it would be scrutinized and only grasped by a few, which is the natural procession of such material.

That some have found it so appealing that they cherish it is wonderful, for them. Please do not try to impose that on everyone that comes here. And please do not suppose that everyone that comes here should have that same intention.

Your argument is that this seems to be exactly how you are considering the Strictly forum. Above I have clearly pointed out the folly of such expectation whenever interpretation and study is taking place.

Please consider opening another forum more specific to the dynamics which you would like it's environment to be. After all, is that not why the Mods are constantly having to rearrange these threads in the first place?

In understand your concerns and your desires.

I also understand your mistake.


With all respect and consideration,
Shin'Ar