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Basis of Ra Material Interpretation and Focus of Law of One Study - Cyan - 01-10-2013
Mod note: The following posts have been split from "The Choice" thread.
I'm starting to agree, hesitantly and with very very strong persuasion that left hand is free will, right hand is in someone elses direction, and the left hand should find the best direction for the right hand to follow.
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-10-2013
(01-10-2013, 02:49 PM)Cyan Wrote: I'm starting to agree, hesitantly and with very very strong persuasion that left hand is free will, right hand is in someone elses direction, and the left hand should find the best direction for the right hand to follow.
Partially correct except the the left hand path has no interest in influencing the right hand path, as it is seen as the natural progression of evolving human experience.
When ready those on the left hand path naturally begin to walk the left hand path in their evolved understanding and enlightenment.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with suddenly walking a path of darkness into the occult rather than a walk in the light.
It is simply a matter of progression and freedom from the ruling and authoritative teachings of religious and cultural influences into the free and individual desire to seek divinity within rather than from some god up in the sky.
The mistaken impressions of the left hand path are extremely dug into the minds of today's people because of the way that its corrupted and misinterpreted definition has been securely implanted in them over the last few hundred years.
The paganism and left hand teachings of the Ancients do not resemble any of today's impressions.
What we see in the card's true meaning is that the person is leaving behind the ruins of the right hand path(civilized social structure), which has obviously failed miserably or been obliterated by some cataclysm. And they have NO CHOICE but to walk the left hand path leaving all that they had behind, and having nothing with them now except the natural world around them.
The comfort and safety of what they once knew as their belief structures and traditions are destroyed as they begin to now walk in the natural way they were meant to walk. When freed from their safety net of rule and authority, left to their own intellects, all that is left is natural progression/procession. And THAT is the true definition of the left hand path.
The right hand path of kings and queens, of civilization and education, all under the tutelage of those in authority, lay in ruin behind him.
All there is now is his own solitude. He can count on nothing else but his own intelligence and ability.
Shall he return to what was taught to him by others, or continue into the Mystery of his own learning?
The cards to follow are that story of choosing the left hand path.
RE: The Choice - Cyan - 01-10-2013
So, equal to or substituting the creator is left hand.
Does that mean right hand is lesser than and service to the Creator?
Does that not mean that the right hand serves the left hand without admitting it?
IF one claims to be the creator and believes it, one claims to serve the creator but never know it, and they meet, what happens?
RE: The Choice - Peregrinus - 01-10-2013
(01-10-2013, 09:35 PM)Cyan Wrote: Does that mean right hand is lesser than and service to the Creator?Neither is lesser or greater than the other. ALL service, whether service to self or other-self, is service to Creator. The paradoxical path is the negative, which is resolved in the sixth density.
Does that not mean that the right hand serves the left hand without admitting it?
(01-10-2013, 09:35 PM)Cyan Wrote: IF one claims to be the creator and believes it, one claims to serve the creator but never know it, and they meet, what happens?The left hand path does not think self Creator, but that there is no Creator other than in circumstance created through control.
RE: The Choice - Cyan - 01-10-2013
So, the right hand path thinks that undifferentiated intelligent infinity is as good as differentiated and form given intelligent infinity?
RE: The Choice - Peregrinus - 01-10-2013
(01-10-2013, 09:50 PM)Cyan Wrote: So, the right hand path thinks that undifferentiated intelligent infinity is as good as differentiated and form given intelligent infinity?
The right hand path is that of acceptance. Acceptance can not judge.
Quote:28.1 Ra: I am Ra. ... The one undifferentiated intelligent infinity, unpolarized, full and whole, is the macrocosm of the mystery-clad being. We are messengers of the Law of One. Unity, at this approximation of understanding, cannot be specified by any physics but only be activated or potentiated intelligent infinity due to the catalyst of free will. This may be difficult to accept. However, the understandings we have to share begin and end in mystery.
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-11-2013
(01-10-2013, 03:19 PM)ShinAr Wrote: [quote='Peregrinus' pid='112283' dateline='1357868852']
The left hand path does not think self Creator, but that there is no Creator other than in circumstance created through control.
Did you get this backward Peregrinus? Your other posts seemed to suggest the opposite which would have been more accurate.
The right hand path teaches that the Creator has established laws and guidance through 'systems' of religious persuasion and tradition. The right hand path is the one the human is born into and chooses to accept by faith that their authorities are teaching truth and they place their blind faith in that authority. And even those who choose to leave their natal traditions to follow some other inevitably just go from one authoritative teaching to another because that seems to be all that is available openly and publicly.
It is not until they begin to see the folly and contradictions of that right hand path, and begin to equate it with such things as human opinion and authoritative direction and control, that they begin to seek other avenues more in line with their own evolving understanding of a spiritual existence that is more correlated to self awareness than influenced direction.
You seem to be in agreement up to this point, and then you begin to speak of the left hand path to which they turn as one that is godless.
And that in itself is due to the influence that the right hand path has had on you in your development, whereby you interpret things the way you have been taught or exposed.
I think it is also importnat to realize ehre that when the left hand path is associated with negative vibration, we should understand that negative vibration is not negative in the sense that this word is usually imp[lied in right hand path teaching. We have left behind that influence, remember. We should not be applying their teachi9ngs into the teachi9ngs of the left hand path.
Negative on the left hand path does not mean bad or evil, or something in defiance of the positive. It simply means a vibration of different frequency than that of the positive.
Neither positive nor negative are bad or good. they are simply different vibrational frequencies due to the state of being of the field of consciousness.
Now with that in mind, when you state that the left hand path believes that there is no Creator, even if we do continue to apply the right hand misconceptions of left hand thinking, that would still be wrong because all left hand teaching is both monistic or polytheistic. Most will have either more than one god in their efforts to teach creational symbolisms, or they will speak to The One Creator of All.
I have no idea where you get the notion that the left hand path teaches that there is no God. That would be the teaching of atheism.
Atheism has nothing to do with left hand teaching.
(01-10-2013, 09:35 PM)Cyan Wrote: So, equal to or substituting the creator is left hand.
Right hand is not considered less than, it is considered as the path of the developing understanding which leads to the left hand path of thought process based on one's intuitive guidance rather than the direction of rule and authority. One is not more or less than the other, it is a matter of natural process of being and evolution of consciousness.
Which is why it is not easy, if not impossible to try to take one from the midst of right hand understanding and plop them into the midst of left hand teaching. They would not be able to grasp it in any way, and it would clash with the direction of the authoritative teaching on which they have been raised and tutored. Their minds are not open. They are closed to speculation and higher thought process. They are sheep following the shepherd, and if you try to force them into a different pasture, they will not eat of that offering, and find it distasteful.
On the other hand, those embarking on the left hand path are in full understanding of how the right hand path is no longer answering to their quest for divinity and they begin to understand the differences between self seeking and following the thinking of someone else.
You see Cyan, the left hand path does not fear or diminish the right hand path for this reason, whereas the right hand path despises the left hand because it leads their flock away from their rule and their thinking, and into a pasture where the grasses begin to nurture individualism and self awareness. And this both defies the right hand rule, as well as contradicting the right hand teachings, or should I say rather than contradicting,from the left hand understanding, not contradicting, but adding to with a higher degree of realization.
That many of those freshly embarking on the left hand path and leaving behind the right hand influences are still afflicted with those teachings, and continue to have some right hand ways of looking at the left hhand as evil or contrary and heretical is not surprising. In this way, as the paths change from one to the other much is dragged with a person from the right to the left, and because of that there are still many old impressions that cause them to continue to think of the left hand as evil or connected to thinking that is against the God of the right hand path, and therefore godless. Even when they know better as they have already chosen to think that the right hand has been misleading them and that is why they are now on the the left hand path.
It is difficult to leave behind everything we have been taught for many lifetimes.
(01-10-2013, 09:35 PM)Cyan Wrote: Does that not mean that the right hand serves the left hand without admitting it?
Precisley, although it would never want to admit that.
The right hand path was devised by the Elite system to prepare the evolving mass for the very individual processes of the left hand path.
You must remember here that the right hand paths are ones which are supported by the rulers and authorities in power of those places where those traditions have been developed. Many are therefore born into that path and hold to it through their traditional family bonds and practices.
And this is exactly how the left hand path became secluded and hidden from society at large. It was the rule of the authorities which they opposed, and that opposition led to them being constantly besieged by authority. In the times of the Roman conquests, paganism, one form of left hand path teaching, was set upon by those Emperors who tried to complete eradicate it.
Also remember that paganism was the main religion of those living more in tune with nature than those living more in tune with civilization.
In those times when civilization was being imposed on the natural lifestyles of mankind, so also was the right hand path being imposed, whereby the left hand resulted simply as the alternative to the right, and also as the way which followed more the natural ways, then the civilized ways. Which is another reason that the civilized right hand responded to the left with resentment and aggressive intent.
Yes, you are absolutely right on as you recognize that the right hand path knows well that it is preparing individuals for the left hand, however strong its reluctance of that may be.
They cannot over ride, nor conquer the natural evolution of consciousness as it reaches higher states of awareness of true state of being. They will do all they can to slow down that progression, but they can never stop it completely.
It is remaining on the right hand path which has been referred to by the left hand teachings as 'the cycle of darkness' because it establishes the continuing reincarnation into that path, over and over, until such a time as that field of consciousness begins to become more self aware, not of the human identity, which tends toward the right hand, but of the field identity as One, which tends toward the left hand understanding.
So to insert the Ra material into this understanding of the two paths, it is not that one is right and one is wrong, or that one is even better than another. They are simply different in that one is the path of higher progression into awareness of the fields of consciousness, rather than submission to the human form of identity and its many earthly influences. With that understanding we can see that negative should not be thought of as evil or wrong, and especially not as atheistic. Negative is simply the opposite vibration of positive.
All of us have both, and some tend to be more one than the other.
I now expect your next question and know exactly what it will be.
(01-10-2013, 09:35 PM)Cyan Wrote: IF one claims to be the creator and believes it, one claims to serve the creator but never know it, and they meet, what happens?
I'm sorry bro, but you sorta lost me here. I think I know what you mean, but wouldn't want to interpret without further clarification.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-11-2013
In a forum called Strictly Law of One Material, it may make most sense to use the definitions of left- and right-hand path as given by Ra, which are service to self and service to others, respectively.
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 08:23 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: In a forum called Strictly Law of One Material, it may make most sense to use the definitions of left- and right-hand path as given by Ra, which are service to self and service to others, respectively.
Which makes my point with precision, my friend Greek.
If this is truly a forum for discerning the Material being offered, and in that process of discerning we simply accept only what the Ra material speculates, avoiding the influx of any other discernment of it, then how can it be a place of discerning the Ra Material.
Either we are here to discern and discuss the Material, comparing it to our discernment based upon our understandings, or we are here to simply worship the material and accept it without discernment.
This is the copied description of how this forum Strictly Law of One should be approached.
'Discussion and questions in this study forum should be directly related to Law of One material. Whether asking a question or writing a thesis, whether writing about the chakras, physics, or Zach Galifianakis, all posts should be tied into, and make reference of, and be about the information within the Law of One books in some fashion.'
Personally I think it is erroneous to call it Law of One, as it should be called the study of the Ra material, which refers to its understanding of The Law of One, but is NOT to be considered The Law of One. As a matter of fact I believe I recall one of the mods stating that exact thought in a recent post or PM somewhere.
I do not see anything in the guideline above which suggests that discerning the information provided by the Ra Material is breaching those guidelines. Rather I see the guideline as stating that all posts must somehow relate to discussion about it.
And in any discussion, is not discernment of that which is being discussed the natural progression of the discussion?
And besides that which I have just stated, is this not a thread 'within that forum' for a discussion on the Tarot card meaning?
It is my understanding that The tarot was deliberately designed by The Ancients to preserve ancient teachings in symbols and enchanted with runes which enable interpretation of those teachings according to enlightened and evolved understanding, or rather, specific individual vibration compatible with those enchantments.
It is my understanding of The Tarot that it is ALL about the right hand and left hand path, and how leaving the one to embark on the other, brings one into a revelation which takes them into an ascendance of higher understanding and state of being.
Therefore any discussion on The Tarot would have to include discussion of those paths and that progression of awareness.
In my humble opinion and thinking.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-11-2013
It's hard to have a discussion when we don't agree on the terms.
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 09:04 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: It's hard to have a discussion when we don't agree on the terms.
So you believe that a discussion can only be had when the participants are in agreement with each other.
This could be the reason why you suppose that one cannot discuss the Ra material without being of one interpretation of it.
So I ask you Greek, what source claims that authority? And by what authority do they claim it?
There is a great difference between consideration and interpretation of the definition of specific words, and being of one mind regarding the entire scope of the Material.
I think I know what you are trying to imply, but in consideration of what I have just stated, do you not agree?
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-11-2013
Perhaps I misphrased that. I mean it's hard to have a discussion when we don't agree on what the terms mean. The left-hand path means something different to you than it does to me, so when I talk about the left-hand path I'm talking about something different than you are.
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 09:14 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Perhaps I misphrased that. I mean it's hard to have a discussion when we don't agree on what the terms mean. The left-hand path means something different to you than it does to me, so when I talk about the left-hand path I'm talking about something different than you are.
Yes, I agree it is difficult. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
However, that same difficulty is going to be realized in all effort to discern individual interpretation of the material.
However, in the course of that discerning it is also inevitably going to come down to what the Ra group means when they speak of the left hand path as well.
Are they speaking of it with my understanding of it or yours?
That makes a great difference in the ability to come to an accurate interpretation of what they intend to profess. We cannot assume that they mean the same thing we do. An understanding of what they mean when they apply the term is crucial to accuracy of interpretation.
I am not familiar enough with the material to argue what their meaning is but from what I have read they do not seem to refer to it as a path of darkness or atheistic belief structure.
Are you able to provide any Ra quotes that further illuminate their actual definition of the left hand path?
RE: The Choice - Cyan - 01-11-2013
I think that the thing here is that others refer to the left hand as a relative position in comparison to the overall central position (moving towards more left than) or (Moving towards more right than)
Shin refers to the left as the absolute 100% polarized left and the absolute 100% polarized right. Kind of in a way looking at the outcome of polarizations instead of the step of polarization.
Most admit that STS (left hand) is the end result, but a great majority want to progress along the right hand path to the very very end of the road, and then have a quick jump to the left right as they end the game.
Some shift to partial left hand before the end (starting of another incarnation / octave / reality / point of view that requires a new starting look). Most dont.
But I think if everyone was left hand, there would be just as little choice as there is if everyone was right hand.
We cant both say we want freedom of choice offered by the left hand and say those on the right hand are in some cycle of darkness.
I think we should be the one that chooses between the hands.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 10:00 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Are you able to provide any Ra quotes that further illuminate their actual definition of the left hand path?
"the left-hand path or, as you might refer to it more simply, the service-to-self path..."
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote: Shin refers to the left as the absolute 100% polarized left and the absolute 100% polarized right. Kind of in a way looking at the outcome of polarizations instead of the step of polarization.
Not at all Cyan. The left path teaching is that balance is a matter of being exactly what you just said about the middle path. The left hand path is often referred to, probably even more accurately, by the modern forms of paganism as the Middle Path for that very reason. We see the extremes of either path to be the problems with society, and we also realize that finding a place close to center and tending toward the left is what one would seek as balance.
Experiencing this world, it would be impossible NOT to experience both paths, or STS and STO, and the quickest path to higher light being is tending toward the left hand teachings simply because one is freed from the deceiving and manipulating teachings of the right hand, becoming enabled to learn and grasp truth more quickly.
(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote: Most admit that STS (left hand) is the end result,
I do not agree with the Ra Material if it correlates the Left hand Path with STS.
I think both are found on both paths. As you noted, it is simply the extremes of either that create the problems of imbalance. Tendencies toward one or the other if not extreme should probably not be defined or designated as their extremes.
When we are balanced near center those extremes should not be what define us.
(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote: but a great majority want to progress along the right hand path to the very very end of the road, and then have a quick jump to the left right as they end the game.
But I think if everyone was left hand, there would be just as little choice as there is if everyone was right hand.
I think that the progression on either path is not made in a sudden leap.
And its not a matter of everyone as a whole body of followers being one or the other. This would not happen because of the Divine Design of evolving consciousness. There will always be fields evolving from lower states of being progressing through the various stages and experiences.
What you are proposing is the mistaken thinking that there is an already concluded future. Only in that premise could all reach an end level of evolution process.
The Left hand Path teaches that Infinity has no end and continues as Mystery. So your proposal would never come to be anyway.
I am sensing that you are aware of much of this already, where you are in a Luciferian cult. Whether satanic or not, most Luciferian teachings would teach Left Hand doctrine. So I think that maybe you are more testing to see how accurate I am in my profession, or comparing it to what your cult teaches.
So, how am I doing so far? lol
(01-11-2013, 10:22 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(01-11-2013, 10:00 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Are you able to provide any Ra quotes that further illuminate their actual definition of the left hand path?
"the left-hand path or, as you might refer to it more simply, the service-to-self path..."
Thanks very much for your effort but you will have to find something a little more precise.
This quote, in fact, might show Ra as thinking differently which is why he says, "... or, as you might refer to it more simply..."
To me that does not indicate that is how Ra thinks, but rather that Ra needs to state that it is what THEY think.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 10:56 AM)ShinAr Wrote: To me that does not indicate that is how Ra thinks, but rather that Ra needs to state that it is what THEY think.
I continue to think that it would help you to read the Ra material so that you don't have to rely on what others post. Nevertheless, I'll offer another quote for you: "You may note that the hands of the central image indicate the appropriate bias for right- and left-hand working; that is, the right hand gestures in service to others, offering its light outward. The left hand attempts to absorb the power of the spirit and point it for its use alone."
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 11:08 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(01-11-2013, 10:56 AM)ShinAr Wrote: To me that does not indicate that is how Ra thinks, but rather that Ra needs to state that it is what THEY think.
I continue to think that it would help you to read the Ra material so that you don't have to rely on what others post. Nevertheless, I'll offer another quote for you: "You may note that the hands of the central image indicate the appropriate bias for right- and left-hand working; that is, the right hand gestures in service to others, offering its light outward. The left hand attempts to absorb the power of the spirit and point it for its use alone."
Well Im afraid that is not my interpretation of that card so I would be in disagreement with Ra anyway.
The reason I do not immerse myself in anything anymore is that I find it only serves to confuse my efforts to add a little at a time.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-11-2013
Just FYI in case you didn't realize, the card mentioned in that quote is the Hierophant, or as Ra calls it, the Significator of the Mind.
RE: The Choice - Cyan - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 10:56 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote: Shin refers to the left as the absolute 100% polarized left and the absolute 100% polarized right. Kind of in a way looking at the outcome of polarizations instead of the step of polarization.
Not at all Cyan.
Yes to all Shin.
What? Okay sorry.
Getting to the point now. Thank you also for politely referring to me
Quote:The left path teaching is that balance is a matter of being exactly what you just said about the middle path.
Exactly, the balance between the extremes is the one extreme, the other extreme is lacking balance between the extremes focus/lackfocus You refer to the one extreme (middle path) purely as the whole thing, which it is, but only because it is a beam looked at as spot. If you can construct the logic around the core i'm referring to here you may be able to track my reference without being, well, over the top direct about it
Short of it is, believing in any form of requirement to move (salvation, divine this divine that etc etc etc is one extreme) the other is knowing that all is in perfect balance no matter what you do. In the end. One tries to retain balance and sees balance as something worth working for (one extreme) other sees everything always in balance so nothing is worth working for (if inbalance is neccesary for what is required at that time then inbalance is sought).
Hope that makes kind of sense. I feel a bit groggy
Quote: The left hand path is often referred to, probably even more accurately, by the modern forms of paganism as the Middle Path for that very reason.
I think its referred to as that because of what I just said.
The whole I SHALL BRING BALANCE TO THE UNIVERSE! kind of pah pah power rangers style religious mindset compared to say, meh, i'll go over there and enjoy some debauchery, it will produce the best outcome just as much as you "bringing stuff to balance". Both being examples of how people perceive the paths in popular dialogue that I observe but rarely the truth or near to it but pointing to it still.
Hopefully useful.
Quote:We see the extremes of either path to be the problems with society, and we also realize that finding a place close to center and tending toward the left is what one would seek as balance.
That would fit with what I think is the left hand path view of the world.
Quote:Experiencing this world, it would be impossible to experience both paths, or STS and STO, and the quickest path to higher light being is tending toward the left hand teachings simply because one is freed from the deceiving and manipulating teachings of the right hand, becoming enabled to learn and grasp truth more quickly.
Why do you feel the system around you is manipulating you in a deceiving way?
I think its manipulations are simple and fundementally working for the system itself that is to say, logical for them. The fact that I may have, at times, trouble understanding the complexity of why it is logical for them, doesnt mean that they are trying to deceive or manipulate, only that I dont get why in their view it is better to work without being my ally. Then I can convince them that being my ally is better than being my enemy and thus gain a new ally. Thats why To me, the logical question is, why do you feel the system is manipulating you, instead of seeing it as a opportunity to ask, why do some operators within the system not consider you their ally and let you in on why they do what they do.
(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote: Most admit that STS (left hand) is the end result,
Quote:I do not agree with the Ra Material if it correlates the Left hand Path with STS.
I think the proper thing is that left hand path is 3 thirds overlapping with sts one third with sto, like in kind of a skill tree style from where you pick the "options of what my life is to hold active now" and right hand path is 3 thirds STO. So that sticking to right hand path exclusivly, will land you in STO harvest. But sticking to lef thand path exclusively, will not land you in STS harvest, for that you need STO as well or you remain socially alone which means insufficient for green ray.
So, I think STO harvest is right hand path easier
STS harvest is harder because it requires somewhat using both polarities for the end result of purely STS outcome polarity.
Does that make sense, because i feel it does.
Quote:I think both are found on both paths. As you noted, it is simply the extremes of either that create the problems of imbalance. Tendencies toward one or the other if not extreme should probably not be defined or designated as their extremes.
I noted that it creates imbalance, i never note that it is a problem, people read that it is a problem into it, i not taht MY imbalance is a problem TO ME but imbalance in itself is NOT a problem.
To the second part, no it shouldnt, it should be designated as the one extreme (The tendencies towards extremes / tendencies towards centrals)
Quote:When we are balanced near center those extremes should not be what define us.
Agreed
Quote:(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote: but a great majority want to progress along the right hand path to the very very end of the road, and then have a quick jump to the left right as they end the game.
But I think if everyone was left hand, there would be just as little choice as there is if everyone was right hand.
I think that the progression on either path is not made in a sudden leap.
Agreed, but progression (accumulated wisdom) need not become active (applicated wisdom) until required (at the end). Isnt that the logic that these people would undertake?
Quote:And its not a matter of everyone as a whole body of followers being one or the other. This would not happen because of the Divine Design of evolving consciousness. There will always be fields evolving from lower states of being progressing through the various stages and experiences.
Interesting. Also not really related, i think.
Quote:What you are proposing is the mistaken thinking that there is an already concluded future. Only in that premise could all reach an end level of evolution process.
I seem to see you doing the same like 4 lines up.
Quote:The Left hand Path teaches that Infinity has no end and continues as Mystery. So your proposal would never come to be anyway.
Eeeeeexactly. Douglas Adams anyone? If the reference is too thick, then hitchikers guide to the galaxy, douglas adams, what happens when someone finds out the answer to the universe.
Quote:I am sensing that you are aware of much of this already, where you are in a Luciferian cult. Whether satanic or not, most Luciferian teachings would teach Left Hand doctrine. So I think that maybe you are more testing to see how accurate I am in my profession, or comparing it to what your cult teaches.
Roughly speaking, I'm nto really sure how accurate it is to say i'm "in a cult" anymore than saying that B4 is a cult (Which it is btw, and a good one at that). But if must use the cult word, i'll use it, I'd prefer to use social memory complex, but you know, to each their own wording and what not.
Moving on.
Luciferians don't teach, they reflect what you want are in that situation, thats their point, non shining being the point, remember. Minimum required effort to move, as opposed to the self flagellating maximum teaching (input into the system of false selves) of Christians.
Thats why us folks hang around in net forums instead of walking around streets whipping our backs and nailing ourselves to 2 by 4s.
I'm actually comparing you to you. And seeing how much you change as I change and using that to calculate my interior change, if you must know, as to what I'm studying on the interior its trying to figure out how to guide people into and out of "schizophrenia" and I've come to the conclusion that its essentially a state that only becomes possible if you lie. Its that simple
.Beyond that, the reason I'm in that soc mem complex right now is that I know that when I polarize towards being selfish (gluttonous) its easier to be around people that revel in gluttony (easiest in either junkie/alcoholic/super into sports/games/religious) I've been through alcoholic soc mem complexes (They called it college, seemed to go on forever), sports never appealed to me because of all the adrenaline, Games are fun but Its kind of difficult to have a functional soc mem complex around sitting still at home without it turning into a religious thing, so, logically, religion.
Once that became the obvious next choice in my study of the various mental illnesses and their steps, I would need to do various super gluttonous things (love the self), and I must admit, its easier in places where you can do what you want to yourself as long as you keep your word, than in places where you cant do anything youw ant to yourself, as long as you lie in a group.
Dunno, it felt like a logical step.
Were christians more prone to letting others do what they want and helping them in times of need, I'd probably be in a christian cult. Probably something reformed or protestant. Probably just one of those really big ones with dozens of millions of cultists.
Getting through to the cultists stuff yet? So far I've yet to see anything being taught except others showing me when I lie.
Quote:So, how am I doing so far? lolBetter than you think I think you are doing. Worse than you hope.
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 11:08 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Nevertheless, I'll offer another quote for you: "You may note that the hands of the central image indicate the appropriate bias for right- and left-hand working; that is, the right hand gestures in service to others, offering its light outward. The left hand attempts to absorb the power of the spirit and point it for its use alone."
This interpretation by the Ra group is essentially completely ignoring the actual symbolism which any left hand path student would recognize immediately. Although I will admit that it all depends on what image is being used in any particular set. Do you know what set of cards Ra would be using as its example?
In my post here
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4643
you will see the images offered by the Brotherhood of Light deck which utilizes many of the pagan symbols that most would recognize.
If you look at the right hand, you can clearly see that it is making the pentagram symbol, a very explicit symbol of left hand path teaching. And note that the scepter is not in the right hand as it is in the 4 card, The Emperor. The scepter, in the Emperor card signifies the rule of authority. Everything about the Emperor card shows an effort to imitate the Goddess cards preceding it, with that one difference, where the rule is over the right hand path alone. The crossed legs representing the Tree of Life, the circle on the scepter representing The Spirit and the Sacred Eye, the spirit represented over the heart by the Eagle, and even the most prominent signifier of the serpent rising from the forehead representing enlightenment, are all well known and immediately recognized symbols of Left hand Path, but that one tell tale sigh of carrying the scepter in the right hand path reveals the attempted mimicking.
Usually referred to as the Hierophant, and also, in extreme perversion and ignorance by Christian influences, as the Pope. Appropriately and more accurately, if at all, the Catholic Pope would be the Right Hand card. But you can certainly imagine why the church would not want it to be represented that way, when the card to follow depicts the true authority and power beyond and above the rule of human civilization.
The character of the Hierophant card, which I simply refer to as The Left Hand Path card, is the True power and authority. The scepter is now in the left hand, the right hand making the secret symbol of the elements, the pentagram.
Everything here suggests rule over polarity. he even has the army at his feet. His is the command of All, leading to the Goddess which hovers above, and balancing the elements all around him. Like the Goddess he stands at the threshold between the worlds in full control.
He wears the crown of Shin revealing his true power over balance which is the manifestation of the Goddess. he is in harmony with duality.
His supreme authority reveals the mockery and inferiority of the right hand path, also revealing the need to evolve from the right hand path to the left hand path as one becomes able to acknowledge the true power of the Goddess.
This is where the right hand path leads. One cannot get to the Goddess and ascendance without leaving the right hand path and going to the left hand. And one cannot get to the left hand path without first following the right. It is a process of evolving the consciousness.
Luke 10:22 - " ...no one knows who the Son is except the Father." Right Hand Path
John 14:6-7 - "Jesus answered, "No one comes to the Father except through me." Left Hand Path
RE: The Choice - Cyan - 01-11-2013
Except for the "without for following" part. I agree entirely.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 07:54 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Do you know what set of cards Ra would be using as its example?
http://www.lawofone.info/links.php#tarot
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 07:45 PM)Cyan Wrote: Exactly, the balance between the extremes is the one extreme, the other extreme is lacking balance between the extremes focus/lackfocus You refer to the one extreme (middle path) purely as the whole thing, which it is, but only because it is a beam looked at as spot. If you can construct the logic around the core i'm referring to here you may be able to track my reference without being, well, over the top direct about it
No, I would see the extremes be at the far ends of the seesaw. The fulcrum is found at the center upon which the seesaw balances. You seem to be suggesting that the extreme of imbalance is at the center, and I'm sorry but that just doesn't make sense to me.
Imbalance only comes when reaching states far to either end are experienced. It is in the Middle where balance becomes closer to being realized. That would not be an extreme or a path at all. It is simply the center point between the two paths.
(01-11-2013, 07:45 PM)Cyan Wrote:Quote:Experiencing this world, it would be NOT impossible to experience both paths, or STS and STO, and the quickest path to higher light being is tending toward the left hand teachings simply because one is freed from the deceiving and manipulating teachings of the right hand, becoming enabled to learn and grasp truth more quickly.
I am glad you posted this Cyan, as I see a mistake I made in leaving out a small word that completely changes the meaning I intended. I put that word in bold where it should have been placed.
(01-11-2013, 07:45 PM)Cyan Wrote: Why do you feel the system around you is manipulating you in a deceiving way?
I think its manipulations are simple and fundementally working for the system itself that is to say, logical for them. The fact that I may have, at times, trouble understanding the complexity of why it is logical for them, doesnt mean that they are trying to deceive or manipulate, only that I dont get why in their view it is better to work without being my ally. Then I can convince them that being my ally is better than being my enemy and thus gain a new ally. Thats why To me, the logical question is, why do you feel the system is manipulating you, instead of seeing it as a opportunity to ask, why do some operators within the system not consider you their ally and let you in on why they do what they do.
The deception is in the teaching that their way is the way to salvation, and that the individual is not God, but must worship God according to their doctrines, using them as the middle man to intercede for them.
(01-11-2013, 07:45 PM)Cyan Wrote:Quote:I think both are found on both paths. As you noted, it is simply the extremes of either that create the problems of imbalance. Tendencies toward one or the other if not extreme should probably not be defined or designated as their extremes.
I noted that it creates imbalance, i never note that it is a problem, people read that it is a problem into it, i not taht MY imbalance is a problem TO ME but imbalance in itself is NOT a problem.
Is a problem not a problem regardless of who it is a problem for?
(01-11-2013, 07:45 PM)Cyan Wrote:Quote:When we are balanced near center those extremes should not be what define us.
Agreed
It seems that your supposition that the middle point of balance is an extremity will keep us from coming to any agreement.
(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote: but a great majority want to progress along the right hand path to the very very end of the road, and then have a quick jump to the left right as they end the game.
But I think if everyone was left hand, there would be just as little choice as there is if everyone was right hand.
Quote:I think that the progression on either path is not made in a sudden leap.
Agreed, but progression (accumulated wisdom) need not become active (applicated wisdom) until required (at the end). Isnt that the logic that these people would undertake?
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No, this is based on your interpreting the right hand path as the path to enlightenment, whereas I see it as the opposite. Also I have already pointed out that Left Hand teaching does not acknowledge an end.
(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote:Quote:What you are proposing is the mistaken thinking that there is an already concluded future. Only in that premise could all reach an end level of evolution process.
I seem to see you doing the same like 4 lines up.
Sorry you lost me here. What line are you referring to?
(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote:Quote:The Left hand Path teaches that Infinity has no end and continues as Mystery. So your proposal would never come to be anyway.
Eeeeeexactly. Douglas Adams anyone? If the reference is too thick, then hitchikers guide to the galaxy, douglas adams, what happens when someone finds out the answer to the universe.
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(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote:Quote:I am sensing that you are aware of much of this already, where you are in a Luciferian cult. Whether satanic or not, most Luciferian teachings would teach Left Hand doctrine. So I think that maybe you are more testing to see how accurate I am in my profession, or comparing it to what your cult teaches.
Luciferians don't teach, they reflect what you want are in that situation, thats their point, non shining being the point, remember. Minimum required effort to move, as opposed to the self flagellating maximum teaching (input into the system of false selves) of Christians.
I'm actually comparing you to you. And seeing how much you change as I change and using that to calculate my interior change, if you must know, as to what I'm studying on the interior its trying to figure out how to guide people into and out of "schizophrenia" and I've come to the conclusion that its essentially a state that only becomes possible if you lie. Its that simple
Interesting conclusion.
(01-11-2013, 10:07 AM)Cyan Wrote: Were christians more prone to letting others do what they want and helping them in times of need, I'd probably be in a christian cult. Probably something reformed or protestant. Probably just one of those really big ones with dozens of millions of cultists.
Getting through to the cultists stuff yet? So far I've yet to see anything being taught except others showing me when I lie.
Yep, it sounds as though you are just looking for fellowship in places that appeal to your interests and way of thinking. Nothing wrong with that at all.
(01-11-2013, 08:13 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(01-11-2013, 07:54 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Do you know what set of cards Ra would be using as its example?
http://www.lawofone.info/links.php#tarot
Thanks Greek, and yes that is the deck that I use, although I must point out that it has gone through a few revisions where the images have changed somewhat, but for the most part, all are using the same symbology.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 08:38 PM)ShinAr Wrote: http://www.sacredeye.homestead.com
What happened to your website?
"Sorry, the site you requested has been disabled"
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 08:43 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(01-11-2013, 08:38 PM)ShinAr Wrote: http://www.sacredeye.homestead.com
What happened to your website?
"Sorry, the site you requested has been disabled"
Could not afford the expense.
RE: The Choice - Ankh - 01-11-2013
(01-11-2013, 08:57 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(01-11-2013, 08:23 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: In a forum called Strictly Law of One Material, it may make most sense to use the definitions of left- and right-hand path as given by Ra, which are service to self and service to others, respectively.
Which makes my point with precision, my friend Greek.
If this is truly a forum for discerning the Material being offered, and in that process of discerning we simply accept only what the Ra material speculates, avoiding the influx of any other discernment of it, then how can it be a place of discerning the Ra Material.
Either we are here to discern and discuss the Material, comparing it to our discernment based upon our understandings, or we are here to simply worship the material and accept it without discernment.
This is the copied description of how this forum Strictly Law of One should be approached.
'Discussion and questions in this study forum should be directly related to Law of One material. Whether asking a question or writing a thesis, whether writing about the chakras, physics, or Zach Galifianakis, all posts should be tied into, and make reference of, and be about the information within the Law of One books in some fashion.'
Personally I think it is erroneous to call it Law of One, as it should be called the study of the Ra material, which refers to its understanding of The Law of One, but is NOT to be considered The Law of One. As a matter of fact I believe I recall one of the mods stating that exact thought in a recent post or PM somewhere.
I do not see anything in the guideline above which suggests that discerning the information provided by the Ra Material is breaching those guidelines. Rather I see the guideline as stating that all posts must somehow relate to discussion about it.
And in any discussion, is not discernment of that which is being discussed the natural progression of the discussion?
And besides that which I have just stated, is this not a thread 'within that forum' for a discussion on the Tarot card meaning?
It is my understanding that The tarot was deliberately designed by The Ancients to preserve ancient teachings in symbols and enchanted with runes which enable interpretation of those teachings according to enlightened and evolved understanding, or rather, specific individual vibration compatible with those enchantments.
It is my understanding of The Tarot that it is ALL about the right hand and left hand path, and how leaving the one to embark on the other, brings one into a revelation which takes them into an ascendance of higher understanding and state of being.
Therefore any discussion on The Tarot would have to include discussion of those paths and that progression of awareness.
In my humble opinion and thinking.
Shin'Ar, you might have missed it, but the description of sub-forum "Archetypes of Mind, Body & Spirit" is:
A sub-forum dedicated to the study and discussion of the archetypes of spiritual evolution as presented in the Law of One material.
In regards to whether Law of One material, given to us by Ra social memory complex, is a philosophy, five books or a hot dog, is a discussion that I thought that we already had in this thread:
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4273
After this discussion, I thought that we, as a community, agreed that Law of One can have many messengers/teachers, but that we here, on Bring4th, are discussing the material which was given to us by Ra. I even believe that this whole discussion then proceeded into changing the name of this forum from "Strictly Law of One" into "Strictly Law of One Material".
Either way, as you can read in the description of the "Strictly Law of One Material", it does say: "...and be about the information within the Law of One books in some fashion."
It is not my judgement call to make whether this and/or other threads are being derailed when other teachings/philosophies are being discussed which have nothing to do with the Ra material. But I do want to believe that this is the only little section where Ra material can be discussed in peace. All other forums like Life on planet Earth, Olio and Non-L/L Research channelings etc., are free for the discussions of whatever sources other than Ra.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-12-2013
(01-11-2013, 11:59 PM)Ankh Wrote: It is not my judgement call to make whether this and/or other threads are being derailed when other teachings/philosophies are being discussed which have nothing to do with the Ra material. But I do want to believe that this is the only little section where Ra material can be discussed in peace. All other forums like Life on planet Earth, Olio and Non-L/L Research channelings etc., are free for the discussions of whatever sources other than Ra.
+1. Not to mention all the other forums on the internet. Why come to the one forum specifically about the Law of One material as channeled by L/L Research to discuss material completely unrelated to it?
So, Ankh, back on topic: do you have any thoughts about this?
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-12-2013
(01-11-2013, 11:59 PM)Ankh Wrote: Shin'Ar, you might have missed it, but the description of sub-forum "Archetypes of Mind, Body & Spirit" is:
A sub-forum dedicated to the study and discussion of the archetypes of spiritual evolution as presented in the Law of One material.
In regards to whether Law of One material, given to us by Ra social memory complex, is a philosophy, five books or a hot dog, is a discussion that I thought that we already had...
Well then, to place a subforum within a forum that is ruled to be
"'Discussion and questions in this study forum should be directly related to Law of One material. Whether asking a question or writing a thesis, whether writing about the chakras, physics, or Zach Galifianakis, OR THE TAROT,all posts should be tied into, and make reference of, and be about the information within the Law of One books in some fashion."
SEE MY EMPHASIS IN BOLD
is probably not a good idea.
(01-11-2013, 11:59 PM)Ankh Wrote: After this discussion, I thought that we, as a community, agreed that Law of One can have many messengers/teachers, but that we here, on Bring4th, are discussing the material which was given to us by Ra. I even believe that this whole discussion then proceeded into changing the name of this forum from "Strictly Law of One" into "Strictly Law of One Material".
I believe you're right Ankh, I love that name by the way, just had to say that, and I did elude to someone speculating on the need to change that titel so it does not suggest that The Ra Material's speculation of The Law of One, is actually The Law of One. I just cannot recall who that was.
(01-11-2013, 11:59 PM)Ankh Wrote: Either way, as you can read in the description of the "Strictly Law of One Material", it does say: "...and be about the information within the Law of One books in some fashion."
It is not my judgement call to make whether this and/or other threads are being derailed when other teachings/philosophies are being discussed which have nothing to do with the Ra material. But I do want to believe that this is the only little section where Ra material can be discussed in peace.
That is your opinion and you have your reasons for thinking that way.
However it is my thinking that in order to allow for freedom of individual thoughts on any topic, tolerance of how other's offer their perspectives and experiences around the topic must be offered as well.
If all we are doing is discussing the words of the material without considering how they relate to our own understanding, then we are also limited to how we are able to interpret those words. Is interpretation not a matter of discerning the actual reason for the words in the first place? If I think that the Ra group attempted to make an interpretation of The Tarot, or any topic, then I must also consider the sources and reasoning behind their effort as well. And it is my opinion that the Ra Group is attempting to interpret The Tarot from a source similar to my own, and for that reason, that source and my interpretation is both meaningful and appropriate to the interpretation as a whole.
If all we are doing is trying to offer our own opinions and interpretations of the Ra Group's interpretation, while avoiding our own thoughts on the topic, then all we are really doing is reading another Bible and commenting on our own interpretations with the ease of having no other intrusion of our own interpretations.
RE: The Choice - Peregrinus - 01-12-2013
(01-11-2013, 10:56 AM)ShinAr Wrote: I do not agree with the Ra Material if it correlates the Left hand Path with STS.
I believe the Ra Materials to be the foundation from which discussion is built upon in this forum, and I'm sure that is easily seen in the forum readme and the tens of thousands of posts. Your very apparent personal opposing view of the understanding of paths/polarities, in regard to the Ra Materials, is noted, and in my mind invalidates any and all discussion you present regarding the Law of One. There must be a common ground to begin a foundation of discussion, and though to many the Law of One appears to be written in stone, you have come with a pick and shovel.