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    12-15-2012, 03:16 PM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2012, 03:17 PM by Monica.)
    (12-15-2012, 02:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Thanks for asking the question, Monica! It was framed a bit differently than I had in my mind, though I realize you were making a composite question based on the totality of the conversation.

    I did it that way because you hadn't actually asked me to ask them. If you'd like to ask a more specific question, please let me know! We usually have a shortage of questions so it's no problem if you'd like to follow-up.

    (12-15-2012, 02:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I thought it was interesting that Jim's knee-jerk response was, "That's impossible!" but then proceeded to say it depended on the intention behind the sending. I think we all agree that the intention is key.

    Yes, but I don't think his clarification negated his initial reaction, which was that just sending love wouldn't result in a random act of violence.

    I don't want to speak for Jim, so I will leave it at that.

    (12-15-2012, 02:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The point I have been attempting to make is that we don't always know what the totality of our intentions are. "New Age" circles are filled with people who have genuine green-ray activation, but who nevertheless get caught up in yellow/orange dynamics- hidden intentions, butthurt-ness, ego massaging, etc. And let me be clear that I am not holding myself out as an exception to this.

    The problem lay wherein seekers are in denial of their own imbalances. On the surface, they project the appearance of "love and light" but underneath is a roiling sea of turbulent emotions and lack of self-acceptance.

    It a nutshell: Unacknowledged yellow/orange influence = Unintended consequences.

    That, I can agree with! Absolutely.

    (12-15-2012, 02:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I started this side-discussion by asking: Why not simply radiate love out in all directions, without attachments to a specific entities, in particular named negative entities?

    This question still stands. And after all the debate I haven't seen anybody actually offer a good reason why we should send love energy to named negative entities, rather than radiating out in all directions without condition.

    So at this point, unless somebody would like to come forward with reasoning as to why we would choose to place conditions and restrictions on our love, rather than offering it freely and without attachment,

    (raises hand)

    OK, I will take a shot at it. But first, I will clarify that what I am attempting to define is focused love, not love with conditions, restrictions, or attachment to outcome.

    Those are completely different things, and you seem to have lumped them all in together.

    I had already agreed, previously, with you regarding attachment to outcome. I 100% agree that that's not cool, and can result in unforseen consequences. In other words, sending love to an STS entity with the intention of trying to change their polarity, is controlling and is in itself an STS activity.

    Restrictions...not good either. Why would love ever be restricted?

    Conditions...loving someone only if they meet certain criteria...that's not really love then is it?

    OK, so I just ruled out the 3 that you mentioned. Now I will mention another way: focused.

    To specifically target a certain individual or group, isn't restricting love; nor is it placing conditions; nor is it having any attachment. Those attributes are independent of whether the love is directed at anyone in particular and thus isn't really part of this conversation, as far as I'm concerned.

    To illustrate focused love, let's use the example of a husband's love for his wife, or a mother's love for her child. Isn't that focused? Who among us can claim to love everyone on the planet in exactly the same way we love our families? Is it 'wrong' to do so? Should we be expected to just radiate love to everyone equally, while here in 3D? Is that even something to aspire to, while in 3D? For to do so would require that we dispense with any family or friendship associations.

    Now, is it any different if we choose to focus our love on STS entities? How is that any more 'wrong' than focusing love on an STO entity that we've chosen to spend our life with?

    It might be argued that it's 'ok' to focus love on one's wife, because it's mutual, but what about, say, the families of the shooting victims? Is it not acceptable, and even appropriate, to send extra love and prayers their way right now, in their time of need? Isn't that what compassion is all about? Q'uo has mentioned that every catastrophe is an opportunity for others to feel compassion. Waves of prayers are being sent to those families right now. Is that not a good thing? Would anyone say that to do so is somehow an infringement?

    How is sending similar prayers and love to the STS entities in need be any different?

    We don't know them any more than we know those families of the victims. We can only assume that the victims' families are generally STO...but that is an assumption. So sending love to them, but not to known STS entities, on the basis of their polarity, is itself based on assumption.

    One might argue "It's ok to send love to the victims' families, because they just endured a trauma."

    Well, are not the STS entities currently enduring trauma also? Indeed they are! Surely it is traumatic for them to be exposed to increased 4D light, at a time when their era of power is coming to an end. They are preparing to leave, or might even be fighting the inevitable, in their last throes. Not to mention, just the increase in overall love on the planet...I'd say that likely qualifies as a trauma to them, just as surely as the trauma of the victims' families.

    So, we can't really argue that we shouldn't send them love because of their polarity, and we can't really argue that based on whether they deserve compassion or not either, because we really don't know the details of their experience, any more than we know the details of the victims' families, yet we find sending focused love to them quite acceptable.

    What does that leave, then? Just why would we want to send focused love to STS entities?

    Here is a reason:

    Because they have been offering their service to our planet for at least the past 75,000 years. And anyone who has lived on this planet during that time has partaken of their service, most likely unconsciously.

    Anyone who has ever:

    ...gotten a vaccination without understanding the risks
    ...had a surgery or taken a medication without understanding the risks
    ...drunk fluoridated water, without being aware of its poisonous qualities
    ...been the victim of war, slavery, military invasion, or other violence
    ...had their assets stolen by corrupt government
    ...made choices based on lies proffered by the media
    ...gotten sick because of poisons in the environment
    ...lived a life of poverty or servitude because of corruption

    ...or any number of other examples of the ways in which the negative elite has impacted the lives of virtually everyone on this planet...

    Anyone who has been affected by the negative elite has, wittingly or unwittingly, accepted their offer of service. Just by agreeing to incarnate here, we have accepted their offer of service, on a soul level.

    But our mind didn't know that until recently, when we awakened to the insidiousness of the negative influences on our planet.

    Therefore, now that we are awake, we have the power to choose. We can activate our free will and choose to decline their service! For the first time in perhaps thousands of lifetimes, we can consciously tell the negative elite thanks, but no thanks.

    And, we can do that on behalf of others who might not consciously know the negative elite even exists, but who have called, and we have heard their call.

    In order to change the dynamic of what's been going on for many thousands of years, we have to first identify it, and then lovingly decline the service we had previously agreed to.

    Thus, the love and the choice must be focused.

    (12-15-2012, 02:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Thanks again for getting Jim's opinion in this topic.

    You are quite welcome! Smile

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