Trump rally in Tulsa causing an earthquake and demonstrating a case study

[Black Dragon]

What you are saying makes sense. It's sort of how socialism became a dirty word, automatically synonymous with authoritarian communism because of how it was vilified by the extreme right. I've always had what you can basically say are socialist views, but I've always been anti-authoritarian. This sort of thing makes objective discussions about politics really hard to have because of all these terms becoming loaded buzz-words and insults due to the process you summed up.

[StormShadow]

Wow. I didn’t know how far the whole “Trump is a fascist/sexist/dictator” meme had actually taken root. I’ve been in the center for as long as I can remember, and I’ve been watching his administration very closely. And I can’t find anything untoward about it, really, at least not in comparison to previous administrations. The only difference is that previous administrations had press cover that he doesn’t. Trump actually has had the media working in biased fashion against him from day zero.

[Black Dragon]

Wow. I didn’t know how far the whole “Trump is a fascist/sexist/dictator” meme had actually taken root. I’ve been in the center for as long as I can remember, and I’ve been watching his administration very closely. And I can’t find anything untoward about it, really, at least not in comparison to previous administrations. The only difference is that previous administrations had press cover that he doesn’t. Trump actually has had the media working in biased fashion against him from day zero.

I suppose there's nothing untoward about saying the solution to terrorism is "take out their families". I guess there's also nothing wrong with a person that would venerate dictators with garbage human rights records, and say that Kim Jong Un has a "great personality". There's also nothing wrong with separating children from their parents and throwing them in shitty cages, and there's nothing shady about having blackwater thugs tear gas peaceful protesters so some self-important cunt can stroll across the street to a church he was not invited to, to hold a bible for a photo opp. Either you have not been following this administration carefully, or you just don't understand ethics or psychology.

[Dtris]

So is it the Trump attendees you believe are causing the disharmony or the protesters?

Oklahoma has had over 20 earthquakes this year over 3.0 which is down from the hundreds a year they had in 2017-2018. Events like this caused by disharmony tend to be a lagging indicator. The earthquakes are almost entirely caused by underground wastewater disposal.

For there to be a physical effect, a susceptibility to that effect must be present in the region already. Tens of thousands of white supremacists screaming red with anger could not cause a quake in Himalayas, for example. It is natural that this would happen in a region with more propensity.

Second, space/time follows time/space. Its not the other way around. So, before the rally physically happened, its time/space counterpart was already happening and its impact already was there for some time after the rally. All this, before the fact that all kinds of energies have flowed to the region due to the attention that started from weeks earlier.

If you are implying that the cause of the disharmony is a large group of Trump supporters getting together then I suggest you rethink your own biases or even attend a rally yourself before judging entire groups of people.

Attending a physical rally is not needed to see the hate and discrimination in a group's talking points and views. Trump supporters, or American ultra conservatives, are not the first social group on the planet who have such hate based thoughts and feelings. But, indeed, they are one of the most blatant.

Its amazing that people can still think that a group who rails against everybody, everything, everyone, a group which is easily induced to hate and treat this or that internal or external group as enemies, are not hate based or negative.

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Its hard to understand what do some of you think positive path is...

I am working on blue ray in my communication right now so part of that is saying things even when I know other people won't like it. A few months ago I would not be saying this.

I am sorry but you are apparently so blinded by your own biases that you cannot see the world from another perspective when it comes to this issue.

I voted for Trump in 2016 and I will vote for him in 2020. Have I ever posted anything which is racist and filled with hate? Do you not realize that by describing all supporters of a political group or politicians as hateful and discriminatory you are insulting people who have made every effort to interact in a positive loving manner with you and others. You are insulting people like me who are trying to find what we believe is the best way to serve our fellow man? You lumped me into an ultra conservative group, hate to break it to you but I am a libertarian. I don't agree with Trump on everything but I agree with him on more than I do the left and the democrats.

The positive path is not one of false compassion where people are bludgeoned to support the group in the name of being on of the in group.

68.17 Questioner: I am interested in how the first distortion applies to the negatively polarized entity misplacing the mind/body/spirit complex. Why is the negatively polarized entity followed to the place of negative time/space? Why would one of us freely follow the entity?

Ra: I am Ra. The positive polarity sees love in all things. The negative polarity is clever.

Matthew 7:15-20 New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

The positive path is embodied by love and freedom, for if you love something you let it be free. The desire on both sides for power and control is not part of the positive path. However the popular left has become increasingly authoritarian, banning speech, books, cancel culture, destroying history, and using PC culture to silence opposition. The love of the popular left is one in which the road to hell is paved in good intentions. If the negative elite exist and want to control the world, they will be embraced as being the voices of compassion.

[Dtris]

To clear a few things up; I was vague in referencing the "middle" or center", because to most that means watered down "moderate" a******* who want to more or less keep the status quo. What I should have said is that I do not ascribe to a cookie cutter right or left wing ideology, and do not consider myself a proud Democrat or Republican for that matter. I go by my own principles and do not tow a party line. If I had to pick one philosophy closest to my own, it would be Noam Chomsky style "Libertarian Socialism". I mentioned that there are authoritarians and a******* and hypocrites on the political "left". This is 100% true, but I will agree that they are not the ones that are a major threat at this time. That would be the far right, and yes, most specifically the evangelicals.

I agree that Trump is at very least a narcissist and definitely and authoritarian, if not a full blown sociopath, and gave a big list of things he's said or done to support this. Yes, I agree that the majority of his supporters are toxic. By the way...have you seen how many times I've bashed him and Q on here? Those Moloch licking idiots with the "save the economy sacrifice the weak" signs are Trump supporters. "Incels" are Trump supporters. What's the worst most toxic group of Trump supporters out of all of them though? You hit the nail on the head. Evangelicals.

Anyone who hasn't seen "The Family" and doesn't know who Doug Coe was(I've recently stated that I think he made 4d negative), should do a bit of research to see just how much clout insane "Christians" actually have. These people actually worship power and authoritarianism and just call it "Jesus". They believe being in power makes you "chosen" by God, so whatever atrocities you commit are because God wills it, therefore they welcome with open arms foreign dictators with atrocious human rights abuses...just like Trump does.

As far as the left, I guess I'm more annoyed at hypocrisy than anything else. Like I said, the college campus morons who will bash white kids for wearing Native American costumes on Halloween, but will do nothing to stand against big oil when it actually encroaches on Native lands. Dumb cunts who will crucify somebody for accidentally using the wrong gender pronoun out of ignorance or confusion, but don't give a s*** about human trafficking, or the rape culture that's rampant in the Hollywood elite that they worship. Sexist and abusive women hiding under the label of feminism to protect their abusive tendencies from any repercussions. Racist blacks who beat up random white people simply because they are white(this is a small, small minority compared to the majority of Black Lives Matter protesters, most of which have a lot more integrity than this and would not tolerate it if they saw somebody doing it. Still, people like this do exist).

These people are not the direct threat or organized force that the far right is, with that, I agree, but I still feel the need to bash them out of fairness, because they do exist, and they are pieces of s*** that only serve to seemingly legitimize the far right.

I know some people who could have written your exact same post just flipping sides. Our beliefs create our reality. It seems there are several users here who have beliefs centered around the negativity of right wing beliefs or groups. I know people with the opposite bias who are just as compelling and logical in their arguments.

You say a majority of Trump supporters are toxic. 63 million americans voted for him, which is about a quarter of all US adults. How many toxic people do you meet in your daily life? Does your belief match your experience? I guarantee that in the present climate most Trump supporters are not the kind wearing Maga hats to work and putting stickers on their truck. You might be close to people who support trump and not even know it.

I don't believe in making sweeping statements of any group. We are all individuals who have our own biases and most people are trying to do what they believe is right. Most people are good. Most people want what they think is best for the country and the world. By making absolute and sweeping statements that lump people into groups you decrease the ability to bring people together in unity. If we can't approach each other with respect and the intention to understand the other side, then we are going to end up in a bad place.

[flofrog]

To clear a few things up; I was vague in referencing the "middle" or center", because to most that means watered down "moderate" a******* who want to more or less keep the status quo. What I should have said is that I do not ascribe to a cookie cutter right or left wing ideology, and do not consider myself a proud Democrat or Republican for that matter. I go by my own principles and do not tow a party line. If I had to pick one philosophy closest to my own, it would be Noam Chomsky style "Libertarian Socialism". I mentioned that there are authoritarians and a******* and hypocrites on the political "left". This is 100% true, but I will agree that they are not the ones that are a major threat at this time. That would be the far right, and yes, most specifically the evangelicals.

I agree that Trump is at very least a narcissist and definitely and authoritarian, if not a full blown sociopath, and gave a big list of things he's said or done to support this. Yes, I agree that the majority of his supporters are toxic. By the way...have you seen how many times I've bashed him and Q on here? Those Moloch licking idiots with the "save the economy sacrifice the weak" signs are Trump supporters. "Incels" are Trump supporters. What's the worst most toxic group of Trump supporters out of all of them though? You hit the nail on the head. Evangelicals.

Anyone who hasn't seen "The Family" and doesn't know who Doug Coe was(I've recently stated that I think he made 4d negative), should do a bit of research to see just how much clout insane "Christians" actually have. These people actually worship power and authoritarianism and just call it "Jesus". They believe being in power makes you "chosen" by God, so whatever atrocities you commit are because God wills it, therefore they welcome with open arms foreign dictators with atrocious human rights abuses...just like Trump does.

As far as the left, I guess I'm more annoyed at hypocrisy than anything else. Like I said, the college campus morons who will bash white kids for wearing Native American costumes on Halloween, but will do nothing to stand against big oil when it actually encroaches on Native lands. Dumb cunts who will crucify somebody for accidentally using the wrong gender pronoun out of ignorance or confusion, but don't give a s*** about human trafficking, or the rape culture that's rampant in the Hollywood elite that they worship. Sexist and abusive women hiding under the label of feminism to protect their abusive tendencies from any repercussions. Racist blacks who beat up random white people simply because they are white(this is a small, small minority compared to the majority of Black Lives Matter protesters, most of which have a lot more integrity than this and would not tolerate it if they saw somebody doing it. Still, people like this do exist).

These people are not the direct threat or organized force that the far right is, with that, I agree, but I still feel the need to bash them out of fairness, because they do exist, and they are pieces of s*** that only serve to seemingly legitimize the far right.

I know some people who could have written your exact same post just flipping sides. Our beliefs create our reality. It seems there are several users here who have beliefs centered around the negativity of right wing beliefs or groups. I know people with the opposite bias who are just as compelling and logical in their arguments.

You say a majority of Trump supporters are toxic. 63 million americans voted for him, which is about a quarter of all US adults. How many toxic people do you meet in your daily life? Does your belief match your experience? I guarantee that in the present climate most Trump supporters are not the kind wearing Maga hats to work and putting stickers on their truck. You might be close to people who support trump and not even know it.

I don't believe in making sweeping statements of any group. We are all individuals who have our own biases and most people are trying to do what they believe is right. Most people are good. Most people want what they think is best for the country and the world. By making absolute and sweeping statements that lump people into groups you decrease the ability to bring people together in unity. If we can't approach each other with respect and the intention to understand the other side, then we are going to end up in a bad place.

For the life of anyone, I couldn’t vote for Trump, but I agree with you Dtris on the fact that most people are good...

Black Dragon you made a list earlier of several very worrying facts on Trump which was, I think, quite good...

[Black Dragon]

To clear a few things up; I was vague in referencing the "middle" or center", because to most that means watered down "moderate" a******* who want to more or less keep the status quo. What I should have said is that I do not ascribe to a cookie cutter right or left wing ideology, and do not consider myself a proud Democrat or Republican for that matter. I go by my own principles and do not tow a party line. If I had to pick one philosophy closest to my own, it would be Noam Chomsky style "Libertarian Socialism". I mentioned that there are authoritarians and a******* and hypocrites on the political "left". This is 100% true, but I will agree that they are not the ones that are a major threat at this time. That would be the far right, and yes, most specifically the evangelicals.

I agree that Trump is at very least a narcissist and definitely and authoritarian, if not a full blown sociopath, and gave a big list of things he's said or done to support this. Yes, I agree that the majority of his supporters are toxic. By the way...have you seen how many times I've bashed him and Q on here? Those Moloch licking idiots with the "save the economy sacrifice the weak" signs are Trump supporters. "Incels" are Trump supporters. What's the worst most toxic group of Trump supporters out of all of them though? You hit the nail on the head. Evangelicals.

Anyone who hasn't seen "The Family" and doesn't know who Doug Coe was(I've recently stated that I think he made 4d negative), should do a bit of research to see just how much clout insane "Christians" actually have. These people actually worship power and authoritarianism and just call it "Jesus". They believe being in power makes you "chosen" by God, so whatever atrocities you commit are because God wills it, therefore they welcome with open arms foreign dictators with atrocious human rights abuses...just like Trump does.

As far as the left, I guess I'm more annoyed at hypocrisy than anything else. Like I said, the college campus morons who will bash white kids for wearing Native American costumes on Halloween, but will do nothing to stand against big oil when it actually encroaches on Native lands. Dumb cunts who will crucify somebody for accidentally using the wrong gender pronoun out of ignorance or confusion, but don't give a s*** about human trafficking, or the rape culture that's rampant in the Hollywood elite that they worship. Sexist and abusive women hiding under the label of feminism to protect their abusive tendencies from any repercussions. Racist blacks who beat up random white people simply because they are white(this is a small, small minority compared to the majority of Black Lives Matter protesters, most of which have a lot more integrity than this and would not tolerate it if they saw somebody doing it. Still, people like this do exist).

These people are not the direct threat or organized force that the far right is, with that, I agree, but I still feel the need to bash them out of fairness, because they do exist, and they are pieces of s*** that only serve to seemingly legitimize the far right.

I know some people who could have written your exact same post just flipping sides. Our beliefs create our reality. It seems there are several users here who have beliefs centered around the negativity of right wing beliefs or groups. I know people with the opposite bias who are just as compelling and logical in their arguments.

You say a majority of Trump supporters are toxic. 63 million americans voted for him, which is about a quarter of all US adults. How many toxic people do you meet in your daily life? Does your belief match your experience? I guarantee that in the present climate most Trump supporters are not the kind wearing Maga hats to work and putting stickers on their truck. You might be close to people who support trump and not even know it.

I don't believe in making sweeping statements of any group. We are all individuals who have our own biases and most people are trying to do what they believe is right. Most people are good. Most people want what they think is best for the country and the world. By making absolute and sweeping statements that lump people into groups you decrease the ability to bring people together in unity. If we can't approach each other with respect and the intention to understand the other side, then we are going to end up in a bad place.

Fair enough. If somebody believes voting for Trump is the lesser of two evils, I may not agree, but I can respect that. I am somewhat close to a couple of people who don't agree with everything about Trump, but will probably end up voting for him in 2020. To me, integrity is more important than political labels. If in 2016 is was John Kasich VS Hillary, I would have voted republican, as left as I lean. I don't really like Joe Biden at all, but I will likely vote for him in 2020 to oust a man that I believe is an authoritarian sociopath, who does not espouse republican, democratic, or even libertarian principles, but rather sociopathic and authoritarian STS principles, and is not an outsider, but part of the global elite.

Maybe saying the vast majority of his supporters are purely toxic or STS is a little harsh, but let me phrase this in a different way. You say most people are good people, and while this may be true at their very core, in this veiled 3d reality, most people fall into the category/play the role of the "apath". There are basically three types of people in the world; empaths, apaths, and sociopaths. The vast majority of the poluation are apaths in the sinkhole, while there are small minorities of empaths and sociopaths, which you can look at as polarized individuals.

The modus operandi of sociopaths is to turn the majority of apaths against the empaths and their principles, and a majority of the time, the apaths choose the authority and dogma of the sociopaths against the wisdom of the empaths. There's something hardwired into humanity to be a sheep that flocks to "strong" authoritarian leadership at the expense of real principles. While the majority of Trump supporters(and a lot of authoritarian leftists) may not be sociopaths, they are apaths that are easily controlled by sociopaths through group-think and conformity.

Vote for Trump as the lesser of two evils? Somewhat understandable. Think he's the best thing since sliced bread and here to save us all from the system that he is, in fact, a part of, then I'm sorry, but I cannot respect that point of view.

[unity100]

Have I ever posted anything which is racist and filled with hate? Do you not realize that by describing all supporters of a political group or politicians as hateful and discriminatory you are insulting people who have made every effort to interact in a positive loving manner with you and others.

Many people in Nazi Germany did not vote for Nazis in order to have them kill or repress anyone either. They voted them with good intentions in order to have 'Germany rebuilt'.

You or other people supporting some group out of good intentions does not make that group a well intentioned group.

You are insulting people like me who are trying to find what we believe is the best way to serve our fellow man? You lumped me into an ultra conservative group, hate to break it to you but I am a libertarian. I don't agree with Trump on everything but I agree with him on more than I do the left and the democrats.

If you see yourself in that group, then you are in that group. If you dont see yourself in that group, why do you feel the need to respond in this manner in the first place.

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Again, it does not matter for what you agree with someone who has outright gone postal, who enables mentally unstable cohorts who seek to create a global nuclear war to have Jesus of Nazareth return.

And i use the term crazy in its clinical sense:

https://www.lawofone.info/s/40#15

For that is actual mental instability, manifesting as schizophrenia, believing in things that are not there, and things which will not happen. We are not even talking about people who believe that they must defend 'freedom' from soon to come alien invaders by using their AR-15s and stocking up supplies in a cellar.

We are talking about people who seek to initiate a global nuclear war.

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You may get that other thing which you support Donald for, yes.

But, you may also get that gigantic nuclear war which is supposed to bring Jesus back as well.

The positive path is not one of false compassion where people are bludgeoned to support the group in the name of being on of the in group.

Positive path is not a path where you can support mentally imbalanced unstable people who may bring the destruction of the planet you stand on. You end up getting it. It happened two and a half times in the history of this solar system.

Matthew 7:15-20 New King James Version (NKJV)

15 “Beware of false prophets

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/...asphemous/

There's your false prophet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/...asphemous/

And he likes it.

I know some people who could have written your exact same post just flipping sides.

And that wouldnt make them right.

63 million americans voted for him, which is about a quarter of all US adults.

Such a number of people voted for Bush as well.

He proceded to kill ~1 million Iraqis for oil profit.

This time the target is not a helpless Middle Eastern country with oil. The lunatics behind Trump are targeting world's other nuclear superpowers.

How many toxic people do you meet in your daily life? Does your belief match your experience? I guarantee that in the present climate most Trump supporters are not the kind wearing Maga hats to work and putting stickers on their truck. You might be close to people who support trump and not even know it.

Sorry, but these dont mean anything in respect to practice:

Just like how every single person who voted for Bush and Obama have a hand in their war crimes regardless of with what intention they voted, every single person who votes for Trump for whatsoever reason will also have a responsibility in whatever he and the dangerous lunatics behind him do.

The problem with this is that in this case the crazies in question seek to make Jesus return by initiating a nuclear war.

It may be unbelievable to you. You could think that no one could do such a thing.

You are wrong.

There are such people, and they have done similar things in the past.

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Again, to emphasize:

Having good intentions or not meaning harm to anyone does not exonerate someone from the results of his or her choices.

[unity100]

Just listen to these people.

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics...4739097682

[Black Dragon]

I guess I have to start carrying a knife when I wear a mask in public...what wonderful times. Not to mention, this hasn't exploded big in the news yet, but a black man was found hanging outside of the city hall downtown from me (Palmdale CA), and they were quick to start trying to call it a suicide...there was a second one a few cities over. California has a surprisingly large number of closet peckerwoods, especially the Antelope Valley. When I've gone out to Mojave, there's these old trailers in the boonies with these big painted scenes of damnation and Christian craziness painted on them. That's been there for decades as far as I know, but it disturbs me more than usual lately.

A good number of these people supporting Trump really are batshit insane. Not all of them, but more than enough to matter. I've jokingly called Trump "Dead Zone Donald", stating that hopefully he doesn't "shroom" us all. It's easier to joke about that scenario than to give it serious consideration, because it's actually pretty damn scary and pretty damn possible. Our solar system is already like a run down hood with one house on the street that's not all f***** up or torn down, with everyone packed into it, and yet still, people don't learn.

Hillary was a piece of s***, and Biden doesn't strike me as much better, but I'll be voting democrat as the lesser of two evils, just as I have in the past. In some ways Trump seems to have this glib charm that can brainwash decent people into ignoring all these facts and jumping/staying on the Trump Train. It's almost like some sort of magical working, although I don't think he himself has the capacity to do such a thing, but the ones who potentially can probably would. Maybe it's not magical at all, but just what I stated before: people's inherent apathetic sheepness and the draw of authoritarian leaders.

[unity100]

Such people wouldnt be a problem if they werent the ones who hold the strings. But they are.

Its not people like Dtris - who dont want any harm on anyone - that they put there to talk in town halls or be the spearhead of the 'new GOP'.

They put these crazy people there to talk. To organize. To count the votes. To call the shots.

Of course, these extremist lunatics wont be looking to have sane, moderate people who dont mean any harm on anyone as their leaders. They are not screaming on top of their lungs to get sane people elected to effect sane policies. And you cant trick them into believing that someone who is sane and reasonable is actually an extremist and therefore deceive them to bypass their will and get those sane people elected despite these extremists want an extremist.

They will get the leaders they want.

That's why Dtris' arguments dont hold water. Yeah he means no harm. Yeah he does not vote for such things.

But these people do.

And they call the shots.

[Navaratna]

Trump is buddies with Putin who is friends with Assad [biggest mass murderer in the 21st century], and Xi Jinping loves to smile like Winnie the pooh in front of murals of Mao [arguably the biggest mass murderer ever--tens of millions dead in China's revolution]

Yeah wow humanity great job allowing these control freaks to be in charge..at least on the surface. I'd never say they're in control of the world but they're allowed to think they are and for good reason.

Maybe the epic upheaval we're witnessing will lead to a change in power structures that revolve around these awful people. As bleak as things may look, if 2020 went on like just another year they'd be a lot more comfortable and cozy in their positions. Hopefully Trump loses the election. I can only imagine how nuts people would get out in the streets if he actually wins which I doubt could happen fairly.

Syria's people are going hungry by the millions because of the economic strain. A lot of countries are waking up to how careless China's government is and are seriously rethinking their economic reliance on them.

[unity100]

Trump is buddies with Putin who is friends with Assad [biggest mass murderer in the 21st century

Yeah. Says the same establishment who sold nonexistent Iraqi WMDs lie to entire world. Therefore, it must be true.

arguably the biggest mass murderer ever--tens of millions dead in China's revolution

Yeah. Except if you apply the same formula which the Angloamerican right uses to count those deaths, you come up with 7 million dead in Great Depression US.

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Lying as a habit does not come to happen suddenly by a person changing overnight. Even worse for establishments - they do not end up basing their policies on lies out of the blue over a few years.

In order to be able to lie about nonexistent Iraqi WMDs for eight years, the Anglosphere establishment would need to have lied for decades, if not centuries, and would need to have acquired a watertight ship in which no major source broke the ranks.

And no major source or figure broke ranks during that 8 years - each and every one of them, from BBC to all the conservative and liberal outlets in US, every single US or UK official or any international organization which US held sway in, helped the lie.

That's an entire setup that can only come to being through decades of work. Which means that this was not the first time they lied.

https://citizentruth.org/fake-news-1990-...-sympathy/

[StormShadow]

I think that we are all coming at this discussion from different starting points, which explains some of the disharmony in this post. Therefore, so as not to add any more to the thread I won’t speak to anyone’s post in particular, but will explain my own starting point so people can understand that I’m neither crazy, stupid, nor a Klan member for not hating Trump.

I started out on the Hillary side in 2016. Basically, I thought that Trump was dangerous if put in a position that he was neither experienced in, nor, I believed, mentally fit for. But I hated Hillary as well. She was a career politician, which is probably the meanest epithet you could throw at anybody, to begin with. Second, she was a Clinton, and I felt uneasy at the idea of American dynasties, their connection with intelligence agencies, murders, that sort of thing. Then there was always the fact that she couldn’t stay on her feet for more than ten minutes at a time, it seemed, making her physically unfit, if nothing else, for the office of the presidency. Still, I voted for her, thinking her the lesser of two very foregone evils.

That changed directly after the election. Just before it, I saw the massive increase in anti-Trump rhetoric in the media, and expected it to tone down after the election, seeing as the media had done the same for Bush directly after 9/11 happened and there was all that talk about how it turns out his grandfather helped the Nazis, he was basically asleep at the wheel when the planes hit the towers, etc etc. The news kept repeating this idea in response: Even if you don’t respect the president, you must respect the office of the president.

Not in this case. It just kept getting more and more vicious, and after a while, they stopped any pretense at fact-checking. That was when I got really suspicious, and decided to heed Mark Twain, who had been whispering in my ear for some time: “When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to stop and reflect.”

And I realized: the media wouldn’t be trying so hard to paint him as the ultimate evil if they didn’t really want him out, and for more immediate reasons (to them) than most of us wanted him out for.

Which meant there is a real fight going on at very high levels, a fight that we have never seen before. The Democrats and Republicans fight, sure, but it’s always been a staged sort of thing, kind of there to reassure us that there are still two distinct parties, not two arms of the same interests, held up to keep us fighting each other instead of targeting those with actual control. This is a real, shirt-off, in-the-mud, biting and eye-gouging-allowed street fight that we’re seeing, and to be honest, if it’s Trump versus the career politicians, the corrupt intelligence agencies, and the controlled media — well, damn. I guess I’m rooting for Trump.

[unity100]

And I realized: the media wouldn’t be trying so hard to paint him as the ultimate evil if they didn’t really want him out, and for more immediate reasons (to them) than most of us wanted him out for.

and to be honest, if it’s Trump versus the career politicians, the corrupt intelligence agencies, and the controlled media — well, damn. I guess I’m rooting for Trump.

That's very unproductive reasoning.

As you will remember from the material, negative societies have a long period of strife and conflict among themselves until every member feels that it occupies the position it deserves in the hierarchy. Especially the higher echelons.

This conflict among the elite does not make any faction among that elite positive, more positively polarized than the other factions or more friendly to majority interests.

They are just fighting among themselves for a larger piece of the cake. The moment the internal conflict is settled, it will be curb-stomping the majority's face on the ground for profit.

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Actually they didnt even wait for that - the covid stimulus sent only a one time $1200 check to 'qualifying' families. While handing out $3 trillion to corporations and stock market in just 2 weeks. It passed in a bipartisan manner after the side which rushed earliest to proposing a bill which the other side could not accept, in an attempt to portray themselves more 'working class friendly' than the other faction. Of course even what they thought to be 'working class friendly' was nothing of the sort. They stooped that low to propose some concession which was not even working class friendly only because they knew the other side would have to reject it.

Result is that the people in US are just left to starve and die. Incredibly, the establishment does not even mind openly. They dont even talk about it. From conservative to liberal - no major politician or talking head or media outlet is concerned with people being left to starve in the crisis, except Sanders and his crowd. Leave aside them having stopped even caring a little about the plight of the 40 million uninsured and the larger under insured during the covid crisis. If you cant pay, just die.

That's negative polarity.

They dont even care. They dont even think that they should care. Because, they are involved only with themselves and they see little value in anything outside. Remember how Ra describes the higher polarized negative entities in higher densities - they dont even interact with outside because they dont see a value in anything else.

Naturally, being late 3d negative entities, these people are not in the same league. They are yet aware that there are things outside which they need. But even still, as you can see, they dont give a damn whether people wither and die in order to protect their inflated, ballooned, imaginary corporate profits. All is for a few percent more profit increase this quarter - not even to prevent loss. They just want to have their wealth-increase increase faster.

Trump himself is among that lot, and one of the foremost to boot - not only he spends most of his time golfing, but also he just pushes whatever talking point he is given by the evangelists / supremacists to whom he let the reins.

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A negative entity in a negative faction fighting with another negative faction in a negative social setup is not your friend.

Even if that entity says a few things which you may be inclined to like. Even if that entity may be an enemy of another negative entity who you dislike more.

And lo and behold - even as he sabotages the military-industry complex operation in Syria, he deploys nuclear missiles, troops at Russian border and pushes the same military-industry complex agenda, gives them larger budgets, and in contrast to Clinton, who would easily accidentally cause nuclear war due to her insistence on Syria project, he actually pushes a nuclear war where it is certain to happen: at Russian border.

It doesnt get any more crazy than that.

[AnthroHeart]

And the arctic circle (and I think Siberia too) is like over 100 degrees F.
Global warming?

I don't know if this is pissing off the Russians.

[AnthroHeart]

And I realized: the media wouldn’t be trying so hard to paint him as the ultimate evil if they didn’t really want him out, and for more immediate reasons (to them) than most of us wanted him out for.

and to be honest, if it’s Trump versus the career politicians, the corrupt intelligence agencies, and the controlled media — well, damn. I guess I’m rooting for Trump.

he actually pushes a nuclear war where it is certain to happen: at Russian border.

It doesnt get any more crazy than that.

Not going to happen. ET's won't let us blow ourselves up like that.
And Earth is raising in vibration (4D started in 2012) so too high-vibrational for that.

[Diana]

As you will remember from the material, negative societies have a long period of strife and conflict among themselves until every member feels that it occupies the position it deserves in the hierarchy. Especially the higher echelons.
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They are just fighting among themselves for a larger piece of the cake. The moment the internal conflict is settled, it will be curb-stomping the majority's face on the ground for profit.
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Result is that the people in US are just left to starve and die. Incredibly, the establishment does not even mind openly.
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They dont even care. They dont even think that they should care. Because, they are involved only with themselves and they see little value in anything outside. Remember how Ra describes the higher polarized negative entities in higher densities - they dont even interact with outside because they dont see a value in anything else.
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Naturally, being late 3d negative entities, these people are not in the same league. ... All is for a few percent more profit increase this quarter - not even to prevent loss. They just want to have their wealth-increase increase faster.

Trump himself is among that lot, and one of the foremost to boot - not only he spends most of his time golfing, but also he just pushes whatever talking point he is given by the evangelists / supremacists to whom he let the reins.
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A negative entity in a negative faction fighting with another negative faction in a negative social setup is not your friend.

I am in the U.S. I basically see what you see, though I am less educated in what is going on in the media—especially politics, which is a game so obviously and stupidly played it always reminds me of the dystopian world portrayed in 1984, where everything is just spewed nonsense to keep people distratcted. I just don't see the efficacy in getting involved in the human drama. That said, I care about what happens. I have lived by the idea that I continue to live my life the best that I can. But I am not fixed in that position.

Government, large corporations, the media are all corrupt to the point of seeming even cartoon-like, and self-interested. So much so that no one can trust anything said about the Covid-19 virus, let alone all the other issues. Anyone trying to put out alternative views of the official narrative regarding Covid-19 is censored and deleted from media.

So, I am curious what you would suggest people do about the levels of crazy going on at this time?

[flofrog]

Diana, my feeling, and of course I could be so wrong, is that things are slowly decanting. Earth is raising in 4D, probably is completely already, so it would be pretty normal, as gloves come off with 4D transparency that negative factions fight between each other.

My assumption would be, Diana that we just continue, so if you would continue what you do with your, yes, awesome, work ( don’t blush ) with environment and animal protection and art.. I just continue outside painting my little work with homeless issues, environment, and these great movements of the black community. Things will follow due course I feel.

[StormShadow]

The most helpful thing to the negative polarity, when they try to deceive the rest of us, is the human reticence to admit to itself that it has been deceived. If you can get a lie in quickly, people will believe it, lock on to it as their explanation, and refuse to budge, because budging means admitting they were successfully deceived - or just flat out wrong.

I believed like the rest of you who find yourselves terrified at the idea of four more years of Trump. But when presented with evidence to the contrary, I was able to admit my mistake and reorient. That was a hard step. But I’m glad I took it.

[Black Dragon]

If you used to drink the blue Kool-Aid and switched to the red...you are still drinking Kool-Aid when what your body needs is water. Just sayin'.

[Black Dragon]

I've removed that horrible, awful, offensive comic in favor of something even more horrible, awful, and offensive.

[StormShadow]

If you used to drink the blue Kool-Aid and switched to the red...you are still drinking Kool-Aid when what your body needs is water. Just sayin'.

I never said I went from left to right. I remain in the center as always.
Kool-Aid denotes some sort of propaganda that I am willingly drinking, but I have stayed away from the propaganda on both sides. I continue to take in information from the entire spectrum and make my mind up for myself. 

Now, it just so happens that where I end up differs from where others end up, and the temptation is to see those who disagree with us as less intelligent, more prone to “buy in” to some information that is being offered, etc. because, hey, if they were really that smart, they’d believe what we believe, right?

It actually doesn’t work that way. I have perfectly rational reasons for where I now sit on the political spectrum, as I’m sure you do as well.From my point of view, those that are “buying in” to the modern-day Three-minute Hate on Trump are doing so because they read mainstream news sources almost exclusively, see themselves as good people, were shocked when Trump was elected, and now seek meaning by doubling down on what those news sources are all too willing to provide them in terms of how to see the world around them - but that is my temptation. 

I’m sure you have found your way to your current views in the same way as everyone else, which is why I prefer not to opine on what I suspect you believe, and focus on what I believe instead.

[StormShadow]

There was a comic here but I removed it to avoid showing it again.

I don’t think I get the joke here, but antisemitism isn’t really something I condone or find funny, so that might be the disconnect. You are a talented artist, however, and I wish you luck with that.

[unity100]

Not going to happen. ET's won't let us blow ourselves up like that.

Remember how Yahweh was quarantined away from this planet after their last intervention.

Also note how 3d is over in this planet. Its not the time of innocence anymore, even less the time of irresponsibility.

I am in the U.S. I basically see what you see, though I am less educated in what is going on in the media—especially politics, which is a game so obviously and stupidly played it always reminds me of the dystopian world portrayed in 1984, where everything is just spewed nonsense to keep people distratcted.

Actually, its considerably better than that. In a setting like 1984, the establishment holds all the reins, and there is no other channel of information. People believe things by their heart. Earlier states of world, especially US, can be likened to 1984 than today. For example in early 1960s, Americans supported Vietnam war. There was no question about it. Or the vilification of Eastern Bloc (the other self), or the proposition that they were free and living in the best place in the world and so on. The thought control was absolute.

Today it isnt. Hence all the problems. As the illusion shatters, everyone reactions per his/her biases and psychology. And deep inside, per his/her spiritual bias.

I just don't see the efficacy in getting involved in the human drama.

Complicated proposition. While its understandable that those who have higher vibrations or saner minds or those who are more sensitive would be inclined to keep away from participation in the society, Ra also notes that a lot of awake people are choosing to keep away from society and they are turning inwards. And this is depicted as if it was a problem.

Where good people dont speak up, evil carries the day.

This is something everyone must decide for themselves. Ideally, more awake people should participate in the society.

So, I am curious what you would suggest people do about the levels of crazy going on at this time?

An alternative is creating an alternate society. Bypassing the existing one.

There are already social movements like Sanders' movement. There is no reason why this kind of thing should happen only from election to election. There is no reason why this entire movement should not transform into an alternative society inside the society.

There are already such societies which exist inside society - there is the religious right, for example. Complete with its social groups, political activity, economic activity that is specific to their group.

So it can be done. And there is no reason why more positive segments that are looking forward should not do the same and create their own society to live in. Complete with its values, its behavior models, its philosophy, its economy, its politics. There are already many formats available - ranging from political activism methodology to economic cooperatives - that many people benefit from.

Networking, coordinating, collaborating with like-minded people, just going ahead and starting to live with the specific values of the early 4d society - these should be doable.

To start with, one can follow Sanders movement and related groups in social media and just start seeing what is happening.

[AnthroHeart]

Not going to happen. ET's won't let us blow ourselves up like that.

Remember how Yahweh was quarantined away from this planet after their last intervention.

Also note how 3d is over in this planet. Its not the time of innocence anymore, even less the time of irresponsibility.

It's something Dolores Cannon said:

"The only way extraterrestrials can intervene in our evolution is if we are going to blow ourselves up. If earth were to destroy itself, it would cause reverberations throughout the entire galaxy, across many dimensions, and everything in the universe would be affected."

http://audreythoreau.blogspot.com/2012/1...annon.html

[Diana]

I am in the U.S. I basically see what you see, though I am less educated in what is going on in the media—especially politics, which is a game so obviously and stupidly played it always reminds me of the dystopian world portrayed in 1984, where everything is just spewed nonsense to keep people distratcted.

Actually, its considerably better than that. In a setting like 1984, the establishment holds all the reins, and there is no other channel of information. People believe things by their heart. Earlier states of world, especially US, can be likened to 1984 than today. For example in early 1960s, Americans supported Vietnam war. There was no question about it. Or the vilification of Eastern Bloc (the other self), or the proposition that they were free and living in the best place in the world and so on. The thought control was absolute.

Today it isnt. Hence all the problems. As the illusion shatters, everyone reactions per his/her biases and psychology. And deep inside, per his/her spiritual bias.

I don't agree with your black-and-white assessment above.

In general, a portion of the 60s society did fit your description. But a large part didn't—namely, the young people and those older people who were in alignment with them. The 60s kicked off a major rebellion against "the establishment." Protests against the Viet Nam war, make love not war, mind expansion with drugs, etc. (Just listen to the song, Wooden Ships, about the Viet Nam war, and compare that to the spew created for recent wars about supporting the troops. There is nothing wrong with supporting the people in harm's way; but this patriotic attitude bypasses the underlying of separation and taking life which the "pop" patriotism sentiments are distracting the listeners from.) Today's young people (along with almost everyone else) are generally "plugged in" to a constant (lying, hyperbolizing, spinning, subliminal-programming, and so on) media. Whether they are conscious of it or not, they are being brainwashed on some level because of it. The average person seems to be spewing out what has been put into their heads via media, and they think they are thinking for themselves; but all they seem to be doing is rearranging the spun input.

As for the Eastern Bloc, we have new, more insidious versions of that now. While it used to be a simple us against them, it's now: Russians are hacking the banks and stealing money; outsourcing is robbing Americans of jobs, hate for Indians who "are always answering the [business] phone and you can't understand them, Mexicans who are living off the system here, Muslims who are trying to kill us all. Building a wall between us and our neighbors—it's insanity.

This control by media, along with the increasing surveillance of our lives, is what puts me in mind of 1984. Though I get what you are saying about believing with heart (those that did in the 60s era, but perhaps more accurately, the 50s), as opposed to people today perhaps just being more brainwashed by the media and clinging to beliefs in a more desperate way.

I do see the shattering happening though. And, I am not trying to be negative. I just don't like pretending everything is going great when it doesn't appear to be. I can get with the idea that things need to be broken down in order to rebuild something better (the lightning-struck tower). 

I just don't see the efficacy in getting involved in the human drama.

Complicated proposition. While its understandable that those who have higher vibrations or saner minds or those who are more sensitive would be inclined to keep away from participation in the society, Ra also notes that a lot of awake people are choosing to keep away from society and they are turning inwards. And this is depicted as if it was a problem.

Where good people dont speak up, evil carries the day.

This is something everyone must decide for themselves. Ideally, more awake people should participate in the society.

I agree that this is a choice, and not an easy or simple one.

In my case, I didn't mean to infer that I retreat, or turn away, from society. It's true that I don't socialize a lot (aside from the current social distancing), but I interact as much as someone who works a lot (entrepreneur) does. What I meant is that I (mostly) don't get involved in the dramas that abound in human society and relationships.

I would say that striking a balance in human involvement isn't easy. For my part, I have responded to local issues that come into my path. Or I support organizations that do work I feel is important. But especially now in this recent year, the question of how far to go down the rabbit hole of involvement is being highlighted.

So, I am curious what you would suggest people do about the levels of crazy going on at this time?

An alternative is creating an alternate society. Bypassing the existing one.

There are already social movements like Sanders' movement. There is no reason why this kind of thing should happen only from election to election. There is no reason why this entire movement should not transform into an alternative society inside the society.

There are already such societies which exist inside society - there is the religious right, for example. Complete with its social groups, political activity, economic activity that is specific to their group.

So it can be done. And there is no reason why more positive segments that are looking forward should not do the same and create their own society to live in. Complete with its values, its behavior models, its philosophy, its economy, its politics. There are already many formats available - ranging from political activism methodology to economic cooperatives - that many people benefit from.

I agree. Bypassing the entrenched system and not fighting it seems like a more efficacious way to affect positive change. Although there have been times when fighting the system was needed (slavery, women's vote, etc.).

One of the challenges I see with this idea is that of money. If a person is out of work, doesn't own any property, and is in survival mode, it's going to be difficult to even concentrate on forming a cooperative. This is an effective avenue of control, by keeping people dependent on the system. However, that does not mean there aren't those who are able to form such groups.

The other difficulty I see here is the flow of information. The level of trust in information has degraded so much. Technically, almost everything is hearsay, so trust is important. This may be one reason why people cling so much to their beliefs—because they need the convincing themselves due to such a confused state of trust/mistrust.

[Dtris]

I think that we are all coming at this discussion from different starting points, which explains some of the disharmony in this post. Therefore, so as not to add any more to the thread I won’t speak to anyone’s post in particular, but will explain my own starting point so people can understand that I’m neither crazy, stupid, nor a Klan member for not hating Trump.

I started out on the Hillary side in 2016. Basically, I thought that Trump was dangerous if put in a position that he was neither experienced in, nor, I believed, mentally fit for. But I hated Hillary as well. She was a career politician, which is probably the meanest epithet you could throw at anybody, to begin with. Second, she was a Clinton, and I felt uneasy at the idea of American dynasties, their connection with intelligence agencies, murders, that sort of thing. Then there was always the fact that she couldn’t stay on her feet for more than ten minutes at a time, it seemed, making her physically unfit, if nothing else, for the office of the presidency. Still, I voted for her, thinking her the lesser of two very foregone evils.

That changed directly after the election. Just before it, I saw the massive increase in anti-Trump rhetoric in the media, and expected it to tone down after the election, seeing as the media had done the same for Bush directly after 9/11 happened and there was all that talk about how it turns out his grandfather helped the Nazis, he was basically asleep at the wheel when the planes hit the towers, etc etc. The news kept repeating this idea in response: Even if you don’t respect the president, you must respect the office of the president.

Not in this case. It just kept getting more and more vicious, and after a while, they stopped any pretense at fact-checking. That was when I got really suspicious, and decided to heed Mark Twain, who had been whispering in my ear for some time: “When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to stop and reflect.”

And I realized: the media wouldn’t be trying so hard to paint him as the ultimate evil if they didn’t really want him out, and for more immediate reasons (to them) than most of us wanted him out for.

Which meant there is a real fight going on at very high levels, a fight that we have never seen before. The Democrats and Republicans fight, sure, but it’s always been a staged sort of thing, kind of there to reassure us that there are still two distinct parties, not two arms of the same interests, held up to keep us fighting each other instead of targeting those with actual control. This is a real, shirt-off, in-the-mud, biting and eye-gouging-allowed street fight that we’re seeing, and to be honest, if it’s Trump versus the career politicians, the corrupt intelligence agencies, and the controlled media — well, damn. I guess I’m rooting for Trump.

The media response and more importantly the massive republican main stream push back that Trump received is the best evidence for him being exactly what he says he is. A person who wants what is best for America and has certain ideas about what that means.

The media has been so divisive and lied so much about Trump that you basically can't believe anything you read or hear about him. Anything he does which is good is ignored and the racial hate fostering is out of this world. If the establishment politicians hate Trump, then I think he is the obvious choice.

Many people in Nazi Germany did not vote for Nazis in order to have them kill or repress anyone either. They voted them with good intentions in order to have 'Germany rebuilt'.

You or other people supporting some group out of good intentions does not make that group a well intentioned group....

This will be my last post in response to anything you have to say on this topic as I doubt it would be useful to engage any further.

You have lumped myself, and anyone else who voted for Trump into a group you define not only as STS, but crazy, and then when I make my position known, you say my defense is proof that I identify with the group you put me in.

You have equated support of Trump for support of extremist beliefs that also support Trump while promoting right wing extremist conspiracy theories. You have equated voting for Trump or supporting his administration as the equivalent of voting for Nazis.

That kind of behavior is not the basis for a useful discussion. Since I am working on blue ray lets be completely honest. That kind of behavior is utterly disgusting. You are either being intentionally disingenuous, or you do not realize that what you are doing is judging people based on your own biases and your preconceived idea of what they should be like based on the group you assigned them to. Then you use the designation of the group identity to attempt to shut down discussion and dissent and limit the argument on the trivialities of your positions instead of allowing the root of your arguments to be debated. The following quote illustrates this.

Such people wouldnt be a problem if they werent the ones who hold the strings. But they are.

Its not people like Dtris - who dont want any harm on anyone - that they put there to talk in town halls or be the spearhead of the 'new GOP'.

They put these crazy people there to talk. To organize. To count the votes. To call the shots.

Of course, these extremist lunatics wont be looking to have sane, moderate people who dont mean any harm on anyone as their leaders. They are not screaming on top of their lungs to get sane people elected to effect sane policies. And you cant trick them into believing that someone who is sane and reasonable is actually an extremist and therefore deceive them to bypass their will and get those sane people elected despite these extremists want an extremist.

They will get the leaders they want.

That's why Dtris' arguments dont hold water. Yeah he means no harm. Yeah he does not vote for such things.

But these people do.

And they call the shots.

Whether you realize it or not your attributions of supporting Trump being equivalent to supporting Nazis, to being responsible for Bush War Crimes, for not caring if people starve and die, for supporting insane leaders and policies are designed to stifle the opposition from argument and dismiss their views out of hand without actual debate. It is framing the discussion in a moral framework that then excludes those it deems as other than the in group. The possibility for rational debate is therefore limited to those who accept the premises of your beliefs. Anyone who does not accept those premises need not say anything, and if they are then you will say they support Nazi like beliefs, support starving people, or support war crimes.

I see what has happened recently with the Media, the radical left, the riots, the fear mongering over the virus. There is a culture war going on right now and the left/progressive/social justice is the side which is using communist tactics, trying to change the way we view history, trying to change what is allowed as a society, all in ways that reduce Freedom and Liberty.

I believe freedom is the highest ideal of Love. The second distortion of the Law of One is the Law of Free Will. The abrogation of free will in any respect is not a service to others belief. However, I also don't believe that the people who are rioting and advocating for changes that reduce freedom and increase the control of the elite are themselves service to self. The vast majority are doing what they believe is right.

I do not believe the people who believe differently than me are service to self, or even have insidious intentions. I do not blame them for supporting those who seek to destroy what I love. The sins of the father will not be carried by the children. I do not believe anyone can be responsible for others, and only responsible for being deceived, not for the actions of the deceiver. I do not believe that voting for a candidate means you have to carry their sins for things you disagree with. No candidate will ever be perfect for me or anyone else.

I believe you have good intentions, and think you are on the side of good and righteousness. However you want to decide what to support is up to you. Freedom and Liberty are my guiding principles and I support those whose actions support those principles. That is how I decide what to support. Trump has done so more than the establishment politicians of either party. Of course, you have to try to find some objective news, or at least places that actually report the president's actions to know that. Where you are coming from on this point will dismiss this opinion out of hand with some logic like 'I don't even know what is going on'. The impulse is mutual, I realize that and try to look at other evidence if presented.

Those who hate Trump seem to want to use compassion as their guiding principle. Compassion will be used by those who desire power over others to lead them to hell, and make it look like salvation. Those who seek to lead the sheep will always frame the sheep as the heroes. Compassion makes a great yolk for guiding the sheep. All you have to do is say this is what you need to believe, say, and do to be compassionate, and condemn those who are not. Social pressure will do the rest.

If you don't believe me then ask yourself, if before you posted your religious right extremist post earlier, if you for even a second doubted whether you should post it or not because of how it might be viewed or responded to? I guarantee that most people in this country right now who disagree with the agenda of the leftists, are afraid to speak up right now. Afraid to be banned for posting their opinion or belief. Afraid to be vilified for supporting the President of the United States. Even if they still post, like I have, they still had to think about whether they should post and if it is worth it.

[Black Dragon]

The(admittedly low-brow)comic isn't my work, just something I found. Also, negative attention is still attention. The way I saw the 2106 election process go, all the negative attention the mainstream media gave Trump actually helped him get elected and solidified his image as an outsider...which he isn't. I've listed many things he's said and done that are straight up authoritarian and sociopathic, and nobody has addressed any of those directly, still spewing this bullshit that he's an ok person and an outsider. He's a buttpuppet for the fossil fuel industry, he supports Wall Street instead of the working class, he thinks "taking out their families" is the answer to terrorism, he pardons a sociopathic war criminal who did exactly that, and the list goes on and on and on yet nobody will address the FACTS. Instead, you seem to have a tendency to circumvent the facts with fancy and long winded debates, sophisms,and circular logic. Well argued bullshit is still bullshit. I'm starting to think it isn't worth posting anything on this subject any more at all.

Also, I removed that "offensive" comic and replaced it with something even more offensive and vile. Be my guest to check it out. In fact, I'll repost it here just in case anyone missed it.

[Black Dragon]

Also, I'd like to add one more thing. The idea that one must choose between liberty and compassion as a guiding principle, or that these ideas are mutually exclusive, is a false paradigm. I choose both liberty and compassion as guiding principles, in the face of a president that stands for NEITHER.