The Last Battle

[hogey11]

WE manifest this reality. The future, and dare I say all time in itself, is in OUR hands. So what is it, exactly, that we plan to create?

I want aliens.

Can I have aliens?

Thank you for the reminder, Brittany. It is our intentions that matter most, and your intentions here are full of both love and light

[Monica]

Wow!!! I just now saw this post! I see you posted it back in July, but I missed it until now. I am impressed!!!

And I see you have set a new record for number of like! 22 and counting!

Brilliantly and beautifully said!

I would like to put out the call to anyone who is interested, to take some special time in meditation to send genuine love, acceptance and forgiveness to those who oppress us, and to take the first steps in the deep, inner healing this planet so desperately needs.

Since I'm a few months behind, has anything come of this? My immediate thought was "Great idea! Let's do it!"

What if we all participate in a daily group meditation specifically for this purpose?

I know we're all already meditating for world peace, etc. but if we set a goal to specifically focus on forgiving those who've oppressed the planet, wow, that could be very powerful! Especially at this nexus!

Has anyone already organized it? If not, let's get busy!

[Tenet Nosce]

You need, in our humble opinion, to look at the humor of the situation and relinquish your desire to serve where no service is requested. The magnet will attract or repel. Glory in the strength of your polarization and allow others of opposite polarity to similarly do so, seeing the great humor of this polarity and its complications in view of the unification in sixth density of these two paths.

I'm confused... did "Lucifer" request our service?

Why not meditate upon increasing our inner light, and let the chips fall where they may regarding (supposed) negative entities and their activities?

[Monica]

You need, in our humble opinion, to look at the humor of the situation and relinquish your desire to serve where no service is requested. The magnet will attract or repel. Glory in the strength of your polarization and allow others of opposite polarity to similarly do so, seeing the great humor of this polarity and its complications in view of the unification in sixth density of these two paths.

I'm confused... did "Lucifer" request our service?

Apparently, yes, at some point...and we requested theirs at some point; else we wouldn't be having this dynamic.

But the point of this isn't to serve them...the point is to release service that is no longer needed.

Why not meditate upon increasing our inner light, and let the chips fall where they may regarding (supposed) negative entities and their activities?

Because they are there. To ignore them is to deny the shadow self. To embrace them is working on self also. All is One.

Where? Can you point at "them"? Where do "we" end and "they" begin?

Just look around.

10.14 Questioner: For the general development of the reader of this book, could you state some of the practices or exercises to perform to produce an acceleration toward the Law of One?
Ra: I am Ra.

Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and useable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions. The first attempt is the cornerstone. Upon this choosing rests the remainder of the life-experience of an entity. The second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition. The third seeking powers the second, the fourth powering or doubling the third. As with the previous type of empowerment, there will be some loss of power due to flaws within the seeking in the distortion of insincerity. However, the conscious statement of self to self of the desire to seek love is so central an act of will that, as before, the loss of power due to this friction is inconsequential.

Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise.

Exercise Three. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.

Exercise Four. Gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.

The foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. With this attitude, these exercises can be processed. Without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit.

Doesn't the "shadow self" manifest because the inner light is blocked from full expression?

Why not just embrace the self and dispense with the illusion of "them"?

If there was no value in ever working with other-selves, we wouldn't all be here together, interacting and providing one another catalyst.

[Tenet Nosce]

Because they are there.

Where? Can you point at "them"? Where do "we" end and "they" begin?

To ignore them is to deny the shadow self.

Doesn't the "shadow self" manifest because the inner light is blocked from full expression?

To embrace them is working on self also.

Why not just embrace the self and dispense with the illusion of "them"?

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Just look around.

*looks around* I see two loving humans, and two loving cats. Looks like the Creator to me... I will conclude that All is Well... *shrug*

Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and useable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density.

How can we find the love in the moment, if we don't look within?

Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise.

Ah. So the purpose of the meditation would be to see Lucifer as the Creator?

Exercise Three. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.

I guess this one wouldn't apply then?

Exercise Four. Gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.

This appears to suggest that, in viewing the seeming atrocities and injustices inflicted by the "negative ones" that we should strive to see the Creator. What do you think?

Doesn't the "shadow self" manifest because the inner light is blocked from full expression?

No insight or comments on this?

[Unbound]

"I direct love towards many beings regularly, and it is a regular practice of mine to expand my heart-field around the earth, galaxy and out in to the cosmos.

The purpose of this exercise is to do partcular work on the Lucifer thoughtform on this planet, which is held in a vibratory based on the states of perception which maintain the thoughtform. Thus, through this exercise we will add new perspectives and new pathways to the Lucifer thoughtform which will not only alter our own perception of it, and thus our own lives, but will also alter the thoughtform and thus shift its impressioning across the planet.

So, not only do we work to integrate our own shadow self, but we work towards harmonizing the collective shadow self through our own transformations.

Like water, the individuals cannot move without moving the entire collective. "

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The name Lucifer doesn't even necessarily need to be involved, it's just a workable image and archetype.

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Also, it must be noted we are not directing love towards the ACTIONS that are seen in the external world, but towards the inner being that lies within.

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I also admit, I find it rather solipsist to be so indulged in the self that you actually try to deny the existence of "them". The illusion is that we are SEPARATE, not that we don't all exist as we are. Perhaps that is just me though. It seems to me that the truth is that we are unified, yet we are still multiple and diverse. So, it doesn't make sense to me to only think from the side of the truth that gives ME power.

I agree that all is Mind, but the Mind is all, and so it's not MY mind that is all.

[Monica]

Where? Can you point at "them"? Where do "we" end and "they" begin?

Sure, just as I can point at you. We are all One, but Oneness includes separateness as well.

Doesn't the "shadow self" manifest because the inner light is blocked from full expression?

One of the ways we can unblock our inner light is by interacting with other-selves. Else, we'd live in a reality all alone.

Why not just embrace the self and dispense with the illusion of "them"?

To have objections to working with other-selves seems, to me, itself a blockage. Energy that is flowing and radiating is all embracing.

*looks around* I see two loving humans, and two loving cats. Looks like the Creator to me... I will conclude that All is Well... *shrug*

Expand your vision a bit...out the window, down the street, across the planet...

How can we find the love in the moment, if we don't look within?

No one said don't look within.

:idea: We can do both! That is the point of this particular Ra quote.

Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise.

There ya go. Right there! That is the purpose of this meditation...to see the Creator in these STS entities instead of seeing them as an enemy.

Ah. So the purpose of the meditation would be to see Lucifer as the Creator?

Yes, but more than that. We want to change the dynamic. We choose to no longer be entangled in this dance.

Exercise Three. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.

I guess this one wouldn't apply then?

Of course it would. Why wouldn't it?

Exercise Four. Gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.

This appears to suggest that, in viewing the seeming atrocities and injustices inflicted by the "negative ones" that we should strive to see the Creator. What do you think?

Absolutely. That doesn't mean we do nothing. We are here for a reason. Acceptance isn't necessarily passive. Free will choice is another factor in the equation.

Doesn't the "shadow self" manifest because the inner light is blocked from full expression?

No insight or comments on this?

There is no distinction.

[Tenet Nosce]

The purpose of this exercise is to do partcular work on the Lucifer thoughtform on this planet, which is held in a vibratory based on the states of perception which maintain the thoughtform.

Also, it must be noted we are not directing love towards the ACTIONS that are seen in the external world, but towards the inner being that lies within.

I'm confused. So would you be working on a thought-form or an entity?

I also admit, I find it more "STS", to be so indulged in the self that you actually try to deny the existence of "them". The illusion is that we are SEPARATE, not that we don't all exist as we are. Perhaps that is just me though.

Dunno. I tend to not find much value in attempting to define a particular action/inaction as "STS" or "STO".

[Monica]

I'm confused. So would you be working on a thought-form or an entity?

Both, and more...the very archetypes that animate them.

This book explains it very well:

The Inner Guide Meditation: A Spiritual Technology for the 21st Century Edwin C Steinbrecher (Author), Israel Regardie (Foreword)

I also admit, I find it more "STS", to be so indulged in the self that you actually try to deny the existence of "them". The illusion is that we are SEPARATE, not that we don't all exist as we are. Perhaps that is just me though.

Dunno. I tend to not find much value in attempting to define a particular action/inaction as "STS" or "STO".

Well Ra sure talked a lot about polarity...so there must be some value in understanding those concepts.

[Unbound]

If you observe, I edited any part on "STS" or "STO" cause I dislike those terms. Also, it was no action that I said as such, but rather an intention of definition of the self.

They are tied together. You yourself are also being which also exists as a thought-form.

I would call an "entity" the interaction between being and thought.

The thought-form is the "range" or spectrum of the being which is perceivable. Thus, we view beings through the spectrum of their thought-forms.

This, of course, is just as I understand it in my own way.

Thus, we "work" on the thought-form by adding new thoughts to it, and by doing so, we increase the perceivable spectrum of the being (like 100th monkey) and thus the manifestation of the entity accomodates the new patterns.

So you could say that we are creating pathways for activity in consciousness which will allow Lucifer's higher vibratory spectrum, which is still very much unified and divine, to be manifested in increased amounts, to shine through the Dweller at the Threshold thought-form, which is the perceived lower vibratory spectrum of this being, which acts as the veil for this planet.

[Tenet Nosce]

To have objections to working with other-selves seems, to me, itself a blockage. Energy that is flowing and radiating is all embracing.

Working with an other-self implies a direct request, don't you think?

:idea: We can do both!

:idea:

There ya go. Right there! That is the purpose of this meditation...to see the Creator in these STS entities instead of seeing them as an enemy.

Ah, I see. It that case, it sounds like it would be a polarizing experience.

We want to change the dynamic. We choose to no longer be entangled in this dance.

Interesting. Now if I understand correctly, those of Lucifer were responsible for introducing the distortion of good/evil. So then, would this be the distortion you are choosing to disentangle yourself with?

Of course it would. Why wouldn't it?

Just meaning... if we were to look in the mirror in order to see the Creator, then "Lucifer" wouldn't be entering much into the equation. For that particular exercise.

Doesn't the "shadow self" manifest because the inner light is blocked from full expression?

No insight or comments on this?

There is no distinction.

You lost me. There is no distinction between what?

[Unbound]

When you see the Creator, do you remove the Creation?

[BlatzAdict]

i'm fighting the last battle with my green ray

i shoot love laser beams at the orions.

love

acceptance


forgiveness

looveeeeeeee BEAM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzIhhtzva0I

oops wrong thread... now it's in the right one

[Tenet Nosce]

Well Ra sure talked a lot about polarity...so there must be some value in understanding those concepts.

Yes, and when specifically asked for a "more complete or eloquent or enlightening definition of these polarities" Ra replied with two suggestions:

One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet.

Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption.

[Monica]

Working with an other-self implies a direct request, don't you think?

If we were trying to change them, yes. But that's not what we're doing.

Ah, I see. It that case, it sounds like it would be a polarizing experience.

If so, then that is a side benefit. It isn't the objective.

Interesting. Now if I understand correctly, those of Lucifer were responsible for introducing the distortion of good/evil. So then, would
this be the distortion you are choosing to disentangle yourself with?

Specifically, the stranglehold they've had on the planet all this time. It's no longer needed.

Just meaning... if we were to look in the mirror in order to see the Creator, then "Lucifer" wouldn't be entering much into the equation. For that particular exercise.

Sure they would, since they are also contained in us.

You lost me. There is no distinction between what?

Self and other-self. There is, but there also isn't.

[Tenet Nosce]

Specifically, the stranglehold they've had on the planet all this time. It's no longer needed.

Hmm. So then are you suggesting it is possible to maintain the distortion of good/evil, while simultaneously removing the "evil" influence and keeping the "good"?

Sure they would, since they are also contained in us.

:idea:

Self and other-self. There is, but there also isn't.

Yes, of course. But I thought we were talking about our own blockages of the inner light causing the appearance of a shadow in the external world...?

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When you see the Creator, do you remove the Creation?

What is the difference between the Creator and the Creation?

[Unbound]

What is the difference between stillness and motion?

[Tenet Nosce]

What is the difference between stillness and motion?

:idea:

[Monica]

It works both ways. There's no reason to negate one approach in favor of the other.

[Oldern]

You know, Tenet, at first, when you posted all that, and got into the debate mode with Monica, I cannot deny, I felt a slight frustration.
I felt "what the hell, did we manage to turn this into a fight once more?"

Then I recognized that
a) debate style is not for me, so I should not feel bad about others using it.
b) we might be having fundamental differences on self-improving and about Free Will

So I looked it from another angle and realized that this is a good time to talk about something.
In his White-Tara meditation, Tom Kenyon touches this concept, which is "If we wish good on someone who does not want to be good, are we bad?" The answer is: there are different types of energies that we can "project" and send to everyone. One type (if I recall it correctly, it was the prana or the sattvic, will have to look it up to remember properly) is an energy that is conditional. If the individual affected feels bad, and himself wishes for the situation to turn around (or wishes for forgivenes, self or other-self), THEN our energy can interact with him/her in a positive manner that does not breach anyone's Free Will.

I think that there is a fundamental difference between "Let us pray for the Dark Ones", "Let us help the Lucifer concept to have a smooth and happy ending as it should", "I am at peace with whatever is happening around me - as it will be, so be it", and "Let us just get the hell out of here into some higher vibrations, cause I do not want to deal with the s*** on lower vibrations".

All are valid ways, all are valid mindsets, and all have a different idea about this meditation. And that is fine, imho.

[Shin'Ar]

I am very curious to know exactly who or what each of you are referring to when you say 'Lucifer'?

[Tenet Nosce]

All are valid ways, all are valid mindsets, and all have a different idea about this meditation. And that is fine, imho.

Gosh, Oldern, your profound wisdom is sooo annoying...

But seriously, why not seek the humor in this type of meditation? Isn't that what Ra suggested?

There is great humor in your attempt to be of polarized service to the opposite polarity.

Or does Ra's sense of humor not "resonate" with some...?

[Cyan]

I am very curious to know exactly who or what each of you are referring to when you say 'Lucifer'?

Now this is a hard one...

Who is different than what, because Who is the person I think of, when I want Lucifers opinion on something I invite the people in question to visit, cant really describe explain the person without breaching confidence. Lucifer being the outcome of the situation of interaction. Same as how say, Gabriel (archangel) is the outcome of the situation of interaction, as all astral entities are, they are rarely self contained in and of themselves. But I digress.

Lucifer is, as close as can be described, the opposite player within the bubble sphere that is your reality.

At the back of the head, or, at the front of the chest depending how you belive it, is a hole out through which you will vanish when you die. The "portal of light". Lucifer is easily mistaken as being the master of this portal as he likes to be close to this portal.

Lucifers idea is to stand at the edge and push dudes into it and observe what happens and catalogue and go "huh" and then push the next guy in. Lucifer is the historical personality that we all inhabit at least partially. It is the idea of writing down the observations of "this life" and seeing what happens and then learning all and passing it onto the next moments.

Lucifers idea is essentially to tell you "lift your left arm, then put your right leg like this and jump off this rooftop, i'm playing tetris with the corpses" and it would be entirely logical and the people would be glad to oblidge.

If you want to put it in christian perspective, the spirit that actually is interested in moving and doing this stuff, is the father, that which is interested to do stuff, is the son. The father creates the adventure of love that the son self lives through. The holy spirit is kind of "all that have ever been, will ever be, or in any way interact with this situation" that is, kind of the memory of how in your all subjective pasts you have acted towards others and how they reacted and felt. This, collected collective knowledge of all the other selves is, essentially, only capable to be stored and retreived because of lucifer but they are not, in themselves, lucifer, even if their final perceived form (no separation between what you see and what you are) is lucifer.

So, let me recap.

Lucifer is the creature who's back you have to slide down to reach the end of the downward spiral and then reach the everlasting ascension.

Lucifer has very little do with free will, but due to others understanding it as the antagonist instead of as the scientist, its a role its been pushed upon but is not natural to it. Free will is actully the opposite genders, i believe, and not lucifer itself.

Lucifer is someone who will tell you everything you want to know about the cosmos into one painting that is your very soul and pack up his stuff and say "hey, i'll see you tomorrow man."

Lucifer is someone who will take your heart and go "hey, see this/that is a painful memory, want me to change your perspective a little so it wont be painful, i can do it see, because i'm you." then he has this wide toothy smile that is all glistening white like the cat in mad hatter but always friendly. But to date, Lucifer has the absolutely cleareast perceptual and communicative Chakras I have ever seen. Crafty like a mofo because its required to reflect that because we humans tend to be so full of our own crafty little webs and lies.

But Lucifer is perhaps the only soul that I have come across that can sit in absolute quiet and just draw something for hours and hours and hours.

You may say, that, in a way, lucifer is the holy spirit when there is need for the archtype of the single pointedly wide mind.

In my view, the best examples of Lucifer energies, as i perceive them here are Zen, Me, Shin'ar, *, off the top of my head(removed one entry and added better explanation of public figures to a later post). No one is 100% anything, so this isnt about who is what, but rather, who have been able to at times maintain the vibration patterns of that entity or entity groups.

If you want the short answer, "the heartless inquisitive scientists who's heart is in the result that lies beyond this life"

Because it relies on the opinion that there is something beyond this life.

In a way, lucifer is both mankinds best friend, because, without it you would have nothing besides bacterial forms, and also its worst enemy because once you embrace it fully, you die fully.

Then again, once you embrace anything fully you die fully, so, it is a conondrum. Perhaps lucifer can be separated from all other things you may wish to embrace in that it states up front that you will die as you embrace it more.

In a density of lies and ommission perhaps the one honest, is the one who all else say is lying hmm?

Anyway, i cant answer in short to a question of such magnitude, but I wish that this has sufficient meaning.

And also, For a while now i've been feeling like I need to take back seat for a week or so and observe something miracilous that will happen as soon as I hush up and start just reading channelings again. I'm in the answering questions mode for the 3rd or 4th week now. I think i should probably ease up.

Example: H-Bombs and MAD screams Jahweh, while burying time capsules underground so that "other people" may find them once "I am dead" is classic Lucifer. Who says there is anyone else but you in this matrice? Or Who says when you leave the whole of reality wont disintegrate just as rapidly as it first apperead.

Such realisations and questions are "lucifer". Who it speaks through depends on who opens up and who doesnt.

I hope that clarifies marginally what i refer to.

[reeay]

No one is 100% anything, so this isnt about who is what, but rather, who have been able to at times maintain the vibration patterns of that entity or entity groups.

Is it a responsible thing to identify people's energy in this forum? Do you have permission or verification/agreement?

[Monica]

Whoa!!! I don't belong in that list!

Note to Cyan: Apparently there aren't any mods on duty right now. As moderator alumni, I will tell you that this is the 2nd time in as many days you've violated a guideline.

Sexist remarks aren't allowed. Neither is labeling another member a negative association like Luciferian.

I would appreciate it if you would remove both offensive comments. (And I would make the same request if it involved someone other than myself...which one of them does.)

Thanks

[Confused]

When you see the Creator, do you remove the Creation?

I do not understand this cryptic question? Appears to be a deep one.

[GentleReckoning]

Hey Cyan, I enjoyed your post. However, it is clear that your perception of lucifer is drastically different from others.

At the same time, it is funny that you manifested the reaction to your 'answer' that you did. Especially considering that in the same post you said you felt as though you should be doing something other than answering questions.

This dance of the higher selves is fun to witness.

Love and light

[Unbound]

When you see the Creator, do you remove the Creation?

I do not understand this cryptic question? Appears to be a deep one.

How can one see the Creator in all things if they do not acknowledge all things?

[Aaron]

Whoa!!! I don't belong in that list!

Note to Cyan: Apparently there aren't any mods on duty right now. As moderator alumni, I will tell you that this is the 2nd time in as many days you've violated a guideline.

Sexist remarks aren't allowed. Neither is labeling another member a negative association like Luciferian.

I would appreciate it if you would remove both offensive comments. (And I would make the same request if it involved someone other than myself...which one of them does.)

Thanks

Monica, in my personal opinion, I don't think Cyan violated any guidelines with that post.

What he said was:

In my view, the best examples of Lucifer energies, as i perceive them here are Zen, Me, Shin'ar, Monica, off the top of my head.

Regardless of how tactful it may or may not be to attempt to communicate one's subjective perceptions of the spiritual identities of other members... (remember we are behind the veil!)

There is nothing inherently disrespectful to what Cyan said, in my opinion (not speaking for the whole moderator team). Lucifer is just an identity. How one reacts to another's subjective perception of other-self as that identity depends on the biases one holds towards that identity. Of course it's true that Lucifer is negatively polarized (before the mid 6th density point), it's far different than name calling - calling someone STS for example.

It also depends on Cyan's intentions. Because he said "In my view", this leads me to believe he's sharing his subjective perception, rather than labeling another member which would be name calling. One could switch out the identity he mentioned for any other identity, and the reactions received would be across the spectrum (as they could be for even the one identity).

[Monica]

Monica, in my personal opinion, I don't think Cyan violated any guidelines with that post.

What he said was:

In my view, the best examples of Lucifer energies, as i perceive them here are Zen, Me, Shin'ar, Monica, off the top of my head.

Regardless of how tactful it may or may not be to attempt to communicate one's subjective perceptions of the spiritual identities of other members... (remember we are behind the veil!)

There is nothing inherently disrespectful to what Cyan said, in my opinion (not speaking for the whole moderator team). Lucifer is just an identity. How one reacts to another's subjective perception of other-self as that identity depends on the biases one holds towards that identity. Of course it's true that Lucifer is negatively polarized (before the mid 6th density point), it's far different than name calling - calling someone STS for example.

It also depends on Cyan's intentions. Because he said "In my view", this leads me to believe he's sharing his subjective perception, rather than labeling another member which would be name calling. One could switch out the identity he mentioned for any other identity, and the reactions received would be across the spectrum (as they could be for even the one identity).

By "that post" I assume you're referring to the Luciferian post. (I referenced 2 incidents, not just 1.)

Even if my name wasn't on that list, I would consider labeling any of our members "the heartless inquisitive scientists who's heart is in the result that lies beyond this life" most definitely in the category disrespectful.

Here's a math lesson:

If a=b and b=c, then a=c.

If Lucifer=STS and Z, S and M = Lucifer, then Z, S and M = STS.

So yes, those individuals were labeled STS.

Well I'm glad to hear you aren't speaking for the mods here Aaron.