I have yet to see it cited that the veil completely disappears in 4th-density.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't know when in 4th the veil lifts. But it probably does lift before a social memory complex can form.

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All that is said is that the veil is lifted in 4th-density but a sub-density is never mentioned. In another passage of some channeled material by either Q'uo or Ra, it is said that the beginning of 4th-density is seen as having little difference of the density before.

Given this, would it be reasonable to assume that the veil doesn't fully lift until mid or late 4th-density?

[anagogy]

All that is said is that the veil is lifted in 4th-density but a sub-density is never mentioned. In another passage of some channeled material by either Q'uo or Ra, it is said that the beginning of 4th-density is seen as having little difference of the density before.

Given this, would it be reasonable to assume that the veil doesn't fully lift until mid or late 4th-density?

What exactly do you think the veil is, Adonai?

Because it kinda seems from your posts you think it is the separation between time/space and space/time. It actually isn't that. However, it is somewhat related.

The veil, that Ra references most of the time, is a forgetting within the deeper mind.

In 4th density, the veil (of forgetfulness) is lifted. Thus, you recall your time/space self, which is your more permanent self -- the integrated amalgamation of hundreds (sometimes thousands if you're a slow learner haha) of 3rd density incarnations.

There is a separation between time/space and space/time throughout all the densities, except 7th. They are simply inverted modes of being, which provide different advantages.

So if you like, there are many different kinds of "veil". You could say, within each density, a different type of veil is lifted. The veil of forgetfulness is lifted in 4th density space/time incarnation. The veil of separation between polarized time/space and space/time is not, however.

But its just a short skip and a hop away. Just like in this world, except most people here don't know that, because they've forgot.

[Adonai One]

How do you think the veiling of the mind is actually unlifted? Do you think it's just a magical and metaphysical process?

[Sagittarius]

How do you think the veiling of the mind is actually unlifted? Do you think it's just a magical and metaphysical process?

65.19 Questioner: [chuckles] Thank you. The forgetting process was puzzling me because you said that the fourth-density activated people who were here who had been harvestable did not have the same forgetting problem. Could you tell me why the Wanderer loses his memory?
Ra: I am Ra. The reason is twofold. First, the genetic properties of the connection between the mind/body/spirit complex and the cellular structure of the body is different for third density than for third/fourth density.

Secondly, the free will of third-density entities needs be preserved. Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

The new fourth-density entities which are becoming able to demonstrate various newer abilities are doing so as a result of the present experience, not as a result of memory. There are always a few exceptions, and we ask your forgiveness for constant barrages of over-generalization.

It will be interesting in the coming years if any mutations appear in our genes. Or rather how these mutations become common enough to beat out the non-mutated eventually. I would think the process has started with the first 3rd/4th density babies probably having already been born. spost to take a few hundred years to 500 no ?

Guess we will know when the differences in the 3 and 3/4 mbs's becomes more apparent.Can't wait to see how it all unfolds.

[zenmaster]

All that is said is that the veil is lifted in 4th-density but a sub-density is never mentioned. In another passage of some channeled material by either Q'uo or Ra, it is said that the beginning of 4th-density is seen as having little difference of the density before.

Given this, would it be reasonable to assume that the veil doesn't fully lift until mid or late 4th-density?

the veil is a function of the mind/body complex awareness. The transitional period is very short - like 750 years. As the dual-activated transitions to their 4D body, the veil lifts. In 4D the body (space/time) follows the mind (time/space) more closely. So I would not be surprised if there was an acceleration as mind adaptes to the higher vibration. But in order for mind to adapt to higher vibration, thoughts must naturally correspond or resonate with it. As with 3D, 4D society and the planetary mind is what provides the most opportunity for resonation with a higher vibration. Patterns of mind are like a sub-logos for development.

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How do you think the veiling of the mind is actually unlifted? Do you think it's just a magical and metaphysical process?

My take is that, slowly, the metaphysical configuration of mind provides a type of geometry which is capable of accepting an awareness which includes time/space navigation with more degrees of freedom (I.e. what was once a line becomes a plane). Complexity and capacity of awareness increases as vibration increases and distortion is lessened. We can even see analogous, but limited development in the sub densities of 3D with "vision logic", "mystical awareness", "psychic impressions". But there is only so much awareness that a 3D body may provide.