(09-08-2013, 12:42 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: The veil is needed to polarize which is a function of 3D choice. I don't know if polarizing is done in 4D though.

Here are some quotes about life before and after the veil: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?c=Before+the+Veil

(09-08-2013, 01:24 PM)zvonimir Wrote: 21.9 Questioner: Now, when the 75,000-year cycle started, [the] life span was approximately nine hundred years, average. What was the process and scheduling of— mechanism, shall I say, of reincarnation at that time, and how did the time in between incarnations into third-density physical apply to the growth of the mind/body/spirit complex?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is more complex than most. We shall begin. The incarnation pattern of the beginning third-density mind/body/spirit complex begins in darkness, for you may think or consider of your density as one of, as you may say, a sleep and a forgetting. This is the only plane of forgetting. It is necessary for the third-density entity to forget so that the mechanisms of confusion or free will may operate upon the newly individuated consciousness complex.

This is the only plane of forgetting i think this could*be the line you wished for

Quote:87.25 Questioner: Is it meaningful to give this ratio in early fourth density and, if so, would you do that?

Ra: I am Ra. In many ways it is quite meaningless to speak of orgasm of male and female in higher densities as the character and nature of orgasm becomes more and more naturally a function of the mind/body/spirit complex as an unit. It may be said that the veil in fourth density is lifted and the choice has been made. In positive polarities true sharing is almost universal. In negative polarities true blockage so that the conqueror obtains orgasm, the conquered almost never, is almost universal. In each case you may see the function of the sexual portion of experience as being a most efficient means of polarization.

Quote:105.17 Questioner: Now, as an example I would like to take the distortion of a disease or bodily malfunction prior to [the] veil and compare it to that after the veil. Let us assume that the conditions that Jim, for instance, experienced with respect to his kidney malfunction had been an experience that occurred prior to the veil. Would this experience have occurred prior to the veil? Would it have been different? And if so, how?

Ra: I am Ra. The anger of separation is impossible without the veil. The lack of awareness of the body’s need for liquid is unlikely without the veil. The decision to contemplate perfection in discipline is quite improbable without the veil.

(09-08-2013, 01:36 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I believe Ra mentions that wanderers are inherently dual-activated?

(09-08-2013, 01:36 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Also, how can 4th-density negative entities exist if there is apparently absolutely no veil? Ra mentions that societies with no veil were positive.

Quote:105.17 Questioner: Now, as an example I would like to take the distortion of a disease or bodily malfunction prior to [the] veil and compare it to that after the veil. Let us assume that the conditions that Jim, for instance, experienced with respect to his kidney malfunction had been an experience that occurred prior to the veil. Would this experience have occurred prior to the veil? Would it have been different? And if so, how?

Ra: I am Ra. The anger of separation is impossible without the veil. The lack of awareness of the body’s need for liquid is unlikely without the veil. The decision to contemplate perfection in discipline is quite improbable without the veil.

Quote:79.32 Questioner: I’m sorry that I have much difficulty in asking these questions, but we’re on material that I find somewhat difficult.

I find it interesting that the very first experiment of veiling Matrix from the Potentiator and vice-versa created service-to-self polarity. This seems to be a very important philosophical point in the development of the creation and possibly the beginning of a system of what we would call magic not envisioned previously.

Let me ask this question. Prior to the extension of first distortion was the magical potential of the higher densities as great as it is now when the greatest potential was achieved in consciousness for each density? This is difficult to ask. What I am saying is at the end of fourth density, prior to the extension of free will, was the magical potential, what we call magic, as great, or the ability, or the effect as great as it is now at the end of fourth density?

Ra: I am Ra. As you understand, if we may use this misnomer, magic, the magical potential in third and fourth density was then far greater than after the change. However, there was far, far less desire or will to use this potential.

(09-08-2013, 01:38 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Ra also mentions that the concept of polarity was introduced to the octave. The is separation in the sense of "I do not recognize myself in unity with all", and separation in the sense of as "I consciously desire to seek separation". The latter is a conscious orientation, the former is merely how the unconscious mind presents iteself.

(09-08-2013, 01:59 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Can one easily experience moments of oneness?

(09-08-2013, 02:17 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Zen, I saw you use the word "conflated" before. Would conflated apply to the awareness of connection to something transcendent? (Your second definition of oneness). Is it conflated awareness?

Quote:61.13 Questioner: OK, then I will ask this one. Could you tell us the purpose of the frontal lobes of the brain and the conditions necessary for their activation?

Ra: I am Ra. The frontal lobes of the brain will, shall we say, have much more use in fourth density.

The primary mental/emotive condition of this large area of the so-called brain is joy or love in its creative sense. Thus, the energies which we have discussed in relationship to the pyramids — all of the healing, the learning, the building, and the energizing — are to be found in this area. This is the area tapped by the adept. This is the area which, working through the trunk and root of mind, makes contact with intelligent energy and through this gateway, intelligent infinity.

Are there any queries before we leave this instrument?

(09-08-2013, 04:38 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Ra seems to have been very intentionally vague as not to abridge our freewill as we approach our evolution in this regard. I've attempted to channel answers myself in regards to what I've perceived as 4th-density past lives and all I have come to deduce is that evolution in this regard varies from species to species.

What is very clear to me is that the "veiling" is dependent on biology of the brain. How the brain evolves to unveil itself is not yet known to me.

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And brains do seem to exist in 4th-density life:

Quote:61.13 Questioner: OK, then I will ask this one. Could you tell us the purpose of the frontal lobes of the brain and the conditions necessary for their activation?

Ra: I am Ra. The frontal lobes of the brain will, shall we say, have much more use in fourth density.

The primary mental/emotive condition of this large area of the so-called brain is joy or love in its creative sense. Thus, the energies which we have discussed in relationship to the pyramids — all of the healing, the learning, the building, and the energizing — are to be found in this area. This is the area tapped by the adept. This is the area which, working through the trunk and root of mind, makes contact with intelligent energy and through this gateway, intelligent infinity.

Are there any queries before we leave this instrument?

So the whole human form is not thrown out. It will likely split but evolution is not thrown out of the window.

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Robinson, however, suspected that environment could spin the dials on “big sectors of genes, right across the genome”—and that an individual’s social environment might exert a particularly powerful effect. Who you hung out with and how they behaved, in short, could dramatically affect which of your genes spoke up and which stayed quiet—and thus change who you were.

(09-08-2013, 03:00 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Zen, I am trying to bridge the link here between third and fourth considering the path to be of typical evolution but with great solar influence. If fourth-density entities are to be forged in this manner, wouldn't it be rational to think the unlifting of the veil will be gradual assuming the veiling is due to biological limitation?

(09-08-2013, 01:36 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I believe Ra mentions that wanderers are inherently dual-activated?

(09-08-2013, 01:36 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Also, how can 4th-density negative entities exist if there is apparently absolutely no veil? Ra mentions that societies with no veil were positive.

Quote:87.11 Questioner: I’m sorry for getting confused on the question here and not asking it correctly. There is a philosophical point of central importance to me that I am trying to clear up here. It has to do with the fact that fourth-density negative seems to be aware of the first distortion, and they are in a nonveiled condition. And they seem to use this knowledge of the first distortion to maintain the situation that they maintain in their contacts with this planet. I am trying to extract their ability to understand the mechanism of the first distortion and the consequences of the veiling process and still remain in a mental configuration of separation on the negative path. I hope that I have made myself clear there. I have had a hard time asking this question.

Ra: I am Ra. The answer may still not satisfy the questioner. We ask that you pursue it until you are satisfied. The fourth-density negative entity has made the choice available to each at third-density harvest. It is aware of the full array of possible methods of viewing the universe of the One Creator and it is convinced that the ignoring and non-use of the green-ray energy center will be the method most efficient in providing harvestability of fourth density. Its operations among those of third density which have not yet made this choice are designed to offer to each the opportunity to consider the self-serving polarity and its possible attractiveness.

(09-08-2013, 08:46 PM)anagogy Wrote: As Ra stated in another session: some love light, some love darkness. All these experiences are available. Each chooses their picnic.