LOO rereading and there being 'only identity'

[Patrick]

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If I place a title, "doctor" before my name and wear a white lab coat, this is considered instant credibility. Even before these credentials are considered and challenged. That has always felt wrong to me, although I hvae only pinpointed why recently. Although 2020 certainly gives people 2020 vision on certain matters relating to authorities.
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There are so many logical fallacies and this is one of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Even scientists discussing science are bathed in fallacies all the time.  So we can't expect people to follow the rules for a good exchange of arguments.

Personally, I do my best to follow them even when discussing spiritual matters.  Since words are distortions and it is already so difficult to understand each others, at least we can help ourselves by learning this skill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

And yes I agree that the confusion is on purpose.  What we need now I believe is to find ways to test (scientifically) the physics hypotheses that are more spiritual in influence, or just to find tests for the metaphysical per se.  If we succeed in finding ways of testing these things, it would be an indication that 4D really is available right now.  Because in 3D this would probably remain un-doable, otherwise as you said that would make the whole point of 3D moot.

[Ymarsakar]

3d yes, but a veil operates at higher densities. We are in 3rd grade hoping to arrive at 4th, but our 6 grade senpais also have senpais and issues.

Some of which are exposed now with 5th density sts vs sto fights.

They are so wise... yet conflict is there.

[flofrog]

So what about new channels of information such as the Ra contact? It was made in the 1980s. If someone were to channel Ra again, such as Pamela Aaralyn, would this information be considered as legitimate as the 1980s?

Humans tend to ascribe authority to old things. This obsession with the past, once again. The older they are, the "more authority and gravitas"!

just a small question, Ymarsakar, and sort of apologies to perhaps some digression to the initial subject of the thread.

I agree about some obsession for the past giving credibility to perhaps erring judgment and the necessity to live in the now and make our own choice, but still, there is the fact that enlightened beings have lived before, their life is a teaching somehow, even if their thoughts, words have distorsions, may not be exactly translated, but still the essence of these entities is important to us.

I just felt that and wanted to make a small note.

And I totally agree with Patrick about the easiness given by the state of love to discern things better... very useful !!! lol

[Patrick]

3d yes, but a veil operates at higher densities. We are in 3rd grade hoping to arrive at 4th, but our 6 grade senpais also have senpais and issues.

Some of which are exposed now with 5th density sts vs sto fights.

They are so wise... yet conflict is there.

Since all the densities are systems of illusions then we could call that a veil.  The veil of 3D space/time, more specifically, could just be differentiated by the forgetting.  The forgetting being a phenomena only in third density space/time.  This veil in between the conscious self and the unconscious self might be there in other densities as well except that in 3D we cannot access our unconscious on demand and with ease like other densities can.

[Ymarsakar]

So what about new channels of information such as the Ra contact? It was made in the 1980s. If someone were to channel Ra again, such as Pamela Aaralyn, would this information be considered as legitimate as the 1980s?

Humans tend to ascribe authority to old things. This obsession with the past, once again. The older they are, the "more authority and gravitas"!

just a small question, Ymarsakar, and sort of apologies to perhaps some digression to the initial subject of the thread.

I agree about some obsession for  the past giving credibility to perhaps erring judgment and the necessity to live in the now and make our own choice, but still, there is the fact that enlightened beings have lived before, their life is a teaching somehow, even if their thoughts, words have distorsions, may not be exactly translated, but still the essence of these entities is important to us.

I just felt that and wanted to make a small note.

And I totally agree with Patrick about the easiness given by the state of love to discern things better...     very useful !!!  lol

Generally, if i need to talk to certain histirical figures, i will find a way to talk to them. Instead of writing a mail and sending it in for 2 months of waiting for an answer that might get lost in transit, i send them a chat invite. Normally i get sent their channeled info from my time era

A course in miracles is a good example of sananda correcting a few things that involves jesus, even as jesus life was to fix many issues with moses.

Now in end of kali yuga, anyplone can potentially talk with anyone they wish. No middlemen, not even channelers.

Also what was the q?

[flofrog]

Yes, there was no question, more like, can't we keep the essence of those from the past... which is of course we do

[Glow]

Deleted I wasn’t following the last part of the thread thought it was the “should the forums be closed?” one getting mixed in accidentally.

Now I get it

[Sacred Fool]

Deleted I wasn’t following the last part of the thread thought it was the “should the forums be closed?” one getting mixed in accidentally.

Now I get it

So, you mis-identified the "identity thread?"  I don't blame you, it's veered off course a considerable distance.  But maybe it will return to itself some day, once it can remember its original identity?
  
  

[Diana]

So what about new channels of information such as the Ra contact? It was made in the 1980s. If someone were to channel Ra again, such as Pamela Aaralyn, would this information be considered as legitimate as the 1980s?

Humans tend to ascribe authority to old things. This obsession with the past, once again. The older they are, the "more authority and gravitas"!

You are missing one point in this matter. It's trendy now to channel. This is one reason why something from "the past" seems, or actually is, more legitimate. I have self-help, spiritual-type books from the late 1800s and early-to-mid 1900s, which are so much more authentic and original than something one might read that was published in the last decade. Much of this stuff today is just repeating what someone else said—missing the power of true inspiration, and watered down with things such as what the market wants, demographics, and what will get hits on Youtube.

As for the Ra Material, this was channeled before, or at the very beginning of the great wave of channeling and rhetoric in the "new age" movement, and therefore, to me, is more pure in both intent and content.

[Ymarsakar]

So what about new channels of information such as the Ra contact? It was made in the 1980s. If someone were to channel Ra again, such as Pamela Aaralyn, would this information be considered as legitimate as the 1980s?

Humans tend to ascribe authority to old things. This obsession with the past, once again. The older they are, the "more authority and gravitas"!

You are missing one point in this matter. It's trendy now to channel. This is one reason why something from "the past" seems, or actually is, more legitimate. I have self-help, spiritual-type books from the late 1800s and early-to-mid 1900s, which are so much more authentic and original than something one might read that was published in the last decade. Much of this stuff today is just repeating what someone else said—missing the power of true inspiration, and watered down with things such as what the market wants, demographics, and what will get hits on Youtube.

As for the Ra Material, this was channeled before, or at the very beginning of the great wave of channeling and rhetoric in the "new age" movement, and therefore, to me, is more pure in both intent and content.

The only thing I consider legitimate is tele empathic verification from the Divine Counsel. In the ever present, and eternal, Now.

I covered that point extensively elsewhere, when I pointed out that humanity has been hacked at a root level. I would note that all these self help spiritual new age stuff, were all from the past.

As for why they might feel more authentic, that is because of the way the game is played. The positive Confederation promotes information that will help polarize STO. The negative gets their turn and twists the information so that humans use it for STS, partially because humans themselves choose to use it for STS. The more humans involved, statistically, the more STS is mixed in. There was even a reinforcement of the dark matrix in 1996, the Congo invasion. This severed many psychic connections to the etheric or higher realms, allowing holograms to masquerade as guides and ascended teachers.

The primary ability people need NOW, is the ability to discern what is true or not. So long as they do not have this ability nor do they seek to cultivate it, they are forced to rely upon the past memory, which is no replacement for the Divine Now. So long as they utilize this memory, the dark matrix can intervene and twist the purity of the information. Just as Ra's Pyramid was twisted through humans that were given promptings by the unHoly Spirit.

If there is a holy spirit, then there is also an unholy spirit. Duality.

As for concrete examples of how the Law of One is used for STS polarity, these forums are examples of both positive and negative incidences.

There is nothing legitimate about the past. The past is not real. In fact, what you perceive as reality, is also not real but the past more than anything else, is unreal.

[Ymarsakar]

Yes, there was no question, more like, can't we keep the essence of those from the past...  which is of course we do

The essence of those individuals are here with us now, and watching people talk about them as if they are not there.

You act as if they died or something and are only a memory of the past. A memory that humanity has to keep in their distorted mind spirit body complexes.

This may be a popular belief in the 3rd density but... the Harvest approaches and there will no longer be need for such thinking.

[Louisabell]

Deleted I wasn’t following the last part of the thread thought it was the “should the forums be closed?” one getting mixed in accidentally.

Now I get it

So, you mis-identified the "identity thread?"  I don't blame you, it's veered off course a considerable distance.  But maybe it will return to itself some day, once it can remember its original identity?
  
  

 Brilliant, thanks for the good chuckle!

[Patrick]

...partially because humans themselves choose to use it for STS...

Negativity could not take hold on Earth without this. STS cannot directly come here and enslave us, so they need us to do it to ourselves. And we did ! So it's our fault. It's a good thing that there is a time limit for 3D (75000 years), otherwise this could have become an issue.

[Patrick]

Deleted I wasn’t following the last part of the thread thought it was the “should the forums be closed?” one getting mixed in accidentally.

Now I get it

So, you mis-identified the "identity thread?"  I don't blame you, it's veered off course a considerable distance.  But maybe it will return to itself some day, once it can remember its original identity?
  
  

 Brilliant, thanks for the good chuckle!

I'm not even looking at thread's titles anymore !  

So derailing galore !

[Ymarsakar]

I did write a bunch of LOO quotes about things I was investigating, but it was on the other reread thread.

I'll think about it for a few seconds.

To me identity in this context would be spiritual identity. And spiritual identity would be what we are in terms of will, interest, strengths, and weaknesses. Some souls learn faster than others, so to speak. That is independent of their IQ or body.

So what is it unique about the iamraw collective that they go to Egypt and help? Or even those that visited Atlantis.

Why did YHVH continue to seek to preserve a genetic lineage on Earth, even as the children rejected YHVH and chose/confused their god/maker with Bhaal/Orion?

These seem to be questions of character and priority of choosing, rather than metaphysical power.

They do these things not because they are ordered to do so by Divine authority, but merely because they had this idea and wanted to put it into experimentation. And unlike humans, they don't give up after a few failures or a few thousand years.

And let's not leave out the Service to Self divinities. Why do they do the things that they do? What is their story? We have Hatonn, that went from service to self polarity to a service to other polarity shift, which is why people are optimistic about Earth. That is an interesting story, but it also changes the nature of their soul.

It's like one of those sci fi games, or space operas, where I investigate different ET civilizations to attempt to understand where they come from and why they are alien. Humans can only do a barely interesting job there, as most true/fun information is channeled via divine memory recall and not "fiction" as people think of it as. Star Trek or Star Wars for example, are partially channeled or derived from such works.

[Glow]

Just stumbled across this. It reminded me of this thread so thought I would add it.

https://youtu.be/CetZSZQ5oJ0

[Nau7ik]

It is true what Ra says. Look to Tarot Key 9–The Hermit, i.e. the One Identity. The Hermit’s imagery intimates him to be the Ancient of Days (his white beard seen in profile). The Hermit stands atop the mountain of Attainment holding out a Light for all those who are making their journey up the Mountain.

We can consider something interesting: no matter what path one takes up the mountain, the destination is the same. Two souls can be going in opposite directions and still reach the same destination. (One comes up the mountain from the east and the other from the west for example.)

Furthermore, the number 9 stands for conclusion, completion, attainment, mastery, adeptship.

[unity100]

The identity is the path a particular entity (focus) took throughout this universe. What its path created mirrors the focus itself, and upon looking at it, the entity itself knows itself towards the end of this octave. At one point, the entity/focus leaves behind all the collections of the vibrations which constitute its identity, as created by the results of its journey through its octave towards the end, which is then taken over by its earlier 6d existence as the totality.

The entity must leave all its existing identity behind in this octave to be able to go forward. Otherwise, this linkage in between that identity (vibratory collection) and itself would tie it down, pull it back.

Notice how Ra declines to talk about their own teachers, saying that those entities have started their journey back to the creator. Ie, passed the octave threshold.