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LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Louisabell - 09-17-2020
So the time has now come where I feel the desire to reread the LOO. I am excited about what I will find with my current world perspective and theory of mind. I can already tell that a big theme with this rereading is the concept of "identity", and I believe it is an important one.
Quote:Ra : I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.
What is it that we identify ourselves to be - consciously or subconsciously? What is the 'it' that identifies?
I also noticed this quote, which is perhaps once again another instance from Ra where on the face of it can appear needlessly verbose, but with greater clarity we may find great precision of meaning.
Quote:"1.5 Questioner: Could you give me a little more detail about your role with the Egyptians?
Ra: I am Ra. The identity of the vibration Ra is our identity. We as a group, or what you would call a social memory complex, made contact with..."
In a way Ra is saying "I am a portion of consciousness that identifies with the Ra identity". Can't argue with that!
With fragmented personalities, egos that cannot be satisfied and waring conflicting desires, we are constantly faced with the decision of what portions of self we prioritize and empower. Some portions can be empowered by their separation, such as unbridled rage, but the holistic self is empowered with the integration of all portions, even those unruly parts.
All living entities grow in the same way, first they seperate out into different parts and then they come together in an integrated whole.
Just some percolating ideas. Any thoughts? Anyone else into rereading the LOO after a few years to get a fresh perspective?
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - flofrog - 09-18-2020
I have started to reread it as I got the recently published through the efforts of Gary and Austin the Ra Contact.
I am still interested in the same subject when I first read the LOO. How can I use love during the daily small things we live through. I find Ra’s gentleness and care even more moving. I know that after a long day of work, I start up reading it before going to sleep and evening meditation and even reading even one paragraph only makes me feel it’s all all right.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Louisabell - 09-18-2020
(09-18-2020, 12:08 AM)flofrog Wrote: I have started to reread it as I got the recently published through the efforts of Gary and Austin the Ra Contact.
I am still interested in the same subject when I first read the LOO. How can I use love during the daily small things we live through. I find Ra’s gentleness and care even more moving. I know that after a long day of work, I start up reading it before going to sleep and evening meditation and even reading even one paragraph only makes me feel it’s all all right.
Incredible floflog, your commitment to radiate love in all your interactions, is so inspirational.
What a great perspective of the material. To be honest, my focus has always been on the great mystery of the Self, even though I was more interested in transitory information early on. But that is normal, in my experience one cannot force a focus on high ideals/philosophy, it can only come from maturation. I'm still not decided if my fascination with theory of mind gets in the way of my service or if it is my service.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Patrick - 09-18-2020
What I find interesting regarding the identity is that even our spirit distorts the consciousness of the Creator when it focuses on us. So it is not just the mind. It seems to me that the spirit part of our identity is completely veiled while here. Yet it is a complex as well and so a part of it has to be on the conscious/aware side of the veil.
What part does the spirit plays in our sense of identity ? Maybe the sense of identity is ALL from the spirit and the mind is just created by this identity and so is not really our identity.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - flofrog - 09-18-2020
(09-18-2020, 07:37 AM)Louisabell Wrote:(09-18-2020, 12:08 AM)flofrog Wrote: I have started to reread it as I got the recently published through the efforts of Gary and Austin the Ra Contact.
I am still interested in the same subject when I first read the LOO. How can I use love during the daily small things we live through. I find Ra’s gentleness and care even more moving. I know that after a long day of work, I start up reading it before going to sleep and evening meditation and even reading even one paragraph only makes me feel it’s all all right.
Incredible floflog, your commitment to radiate love in all your interactions, is so inspirational.
To be honest, my focus has always been on the great mystery of the Self, even though I was more interested in transitory information early on. But that is normal, in my experience one cannot force a focus on high ideals/philosophy, it can only come from maturation. I'm still not decided if my fascination with theory of mind gets in the way of my service or if it is my service.
Lol Louisabell, I doubt it gets in the way of your service
Multi thanks for the lovely thanks, whoa...
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - sunnysideup - 09-18-2020
Good idea, Louisabell. A reread of the Ra material is long overdue for me. I still remember reading it for the first time as it was one of the most profound experiences of my life. Pure magic. I have reread sections of it over the years, but mostly for research on certain topics. I doubt the impact of a full reread will be the same for me, but that's okay. First timers are usually unique
Btw about identity there's also a session where Ra talks about 7D and excisting in the all. And one of the things that stood out for me was that they said there is no identity at that level. Here is the quotation of that session.
Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Graemett - 09-18-2020
Egos can and do satisfy themselves, just never permanently, the ego is unreal afterall. The utility of third density is not only the quick and cruel catalyst, but also the ability to learn from other selves who pierced the veil, and reside in 6D instead of going on to 7D and beyond. When Ra says X density activated body, what they mean I believe is that density and all "lower" densities. So one could contact Intelligent Infinity and feel they are in 7D (and will probably change in their vibration), but without proper development, integration and balancing of all the lower energy centers, the progress is limited within a certain sub density (3.4 - 3.7).
I highly recommend Nisargadatta Maharaj's pointers on realizing the true self
Infinity is the source, and so it is the one true identity which all "smaller" identities rely on.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Louisabell - 09-18-2020
(09-18-2020, 03:52 PM)Patrick Wrote:
What I find interesting regarding the identity is that even our spirit distorts the consciousness of the Creator when it focuses on us. So it is not just the mind. It seems to me that the spirit part of our identity is completely veiled while here. Yet it is a complex as well and so a part of it has to be on the conscious/aware side of the veil.
What part does the spirit plays in our sense of identity ? Maybe the sense of identity is ALL from the spirit and the mind is just created by this identity and so is not really our identity.
All wonderful questions. It was quite impactful for me to know that even Ra sees the Creator as a great mystery. It's like there is a big question mark in the centre of all things. It's been a helpful reminder to me that not all things can be known - and that is OK, as I continue my journey of self discovery.
I kind of have the attitude that if I need to know something for my highest good, the information would be made available.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Louisabell - 09-18-2020
(09-18-2020, 05:40 PM)sunnysideup Wrote: Good idea, Louisabell. A reread of the Ra material is long overdue for me. I still remember reading it for the first time as it was one of the most profound experiences of my life. Pure magic. I have reread sections of it over the years, but mostly for research on certain topics. I doubt the impact of a full reread will be the same for me, but that's okay. First timers are usually unique
Btw about identity there's also a session where Ra talks about 7D and excisting in the all. And one of the things that stood out for me was that they said there is no identity at that level. Here is the quotation of that session.
Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.
Hi sunnysideup! The first time I was exposed to the LOO, I was desirous of consuming alternative and thrilling content. I thought the LOO would be just one of many strange pieces out there to consume. I remember after a few sessions I was like, wait, this is good, like really good, and now here I am! I was a lot more unconscious then, so rereading the LOO seems to always be an exercise in seeing how far I've come since the last time.
You make such a good connection with that quote! At the heart of 6th density is identity, but even that falls away. With the realisation that all is One, and the all is within us (Law of One), the one thing left that differentiates us with others is what we are identifying with. You identify with that, I identify with this - and now lets interact.
So I wonder if we can interact with a 7th density being if it has no identity? Hmmm
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - flofrog - 09-18-2020
Maybe we feel a vibration without identity ?
Ra in 16.22
Quote:Questioner: Thank you very much. In previous material, before we communicated with you, it was stated by the Confederation that there is actually no past or future… all is present. Would this be a good analogy?
Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.
I wonder, if we meditate, aren’t they instances when there’s a short loss of identity. Not that we access 6th or 7th, lol but perhaps like a soft pre-taste , like when we ogle a pint of ice-cream ?
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Sacred Fool - 09-19-2020
If you're interested, the line "becoming transparent to eternity" comes from a Q'uo passage about personal identity becoming more and more expansive until our sense of "I" is consciousness itself. So, the possibilities are wide ranging, indeed.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Glow - 09-19-2020
I kind of grapple between identities.
On the more broad scale I identify with the fact I am really just the one who has been everything so shouldnt cling to identity at all.
Then I am this, and experience the viseral experiences of what being this identity is, a perspective, an experience worth gaining what is/will be experienced and the transitioning perspective of this individuation.
It’s weird I feel less aligned with this some how than any other step from creator or back, yet I get stuck in the experience from time to time and get snagged by catylist so obviously I am this as weird/untrue as being seperate feels. lol
Oddly there is a middle identity I resonate with more as identity and that is the spark that started this path of seperation as it gained its original 3D awareness and it contains all lives and all perspectives as this consiousness traveled through experience after experience.
Obviously I do not in this seperate body remember all that identity has amassed but it feels more like the true me than “this”. Glow. It’s a collection of identities, but so is each finite life. We change day to day, so the collection of all identies to me is more me. It’s the how, why and all the intrinsic bits.
It’s still weird though I so easily drop the Glow identity but then by logic should also drop the collected one of all experiences because it too is not the whole storey.
The collection of perspectives and experiences through time was kind of the point so it seems not fitting at least yet to lose my connection or “identification” with all that has been.
I’m not yet sure where I feel is the right place to identify with for me(the perspective) but bouncing around seems an interesting experience of the creator too so I’ll do that till I figure it out.
Funny so many of us are doing rereads right now. Pretty interesting times.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Glow - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 01:42 PM)peregrine Wrote:
If you're interested, the line "becoming transparent to eternity" comes from a Q'uo passage about personal identity becoming more and more expansive until our sense of "I" is consciousness itself. So, the possibilities are wide ranging, indeed.
Going to google that. Might bring clarity to my identity puzzle.
thanks
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - flofrog - 09-19-2020
I think bouncing is excellent Glow....
multi perspectives
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Sacred Fool - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 01:55 PM)Glow Wrote: Going to google that. Might bring clarity to my identity puzzle.
https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0414.aspx
This is the link to that particular channeling session. The part I was referring to is in the answer to the second question, although the entire session can be seen very much in terms of identity as a reflection--in that case--of facing up to a markedly arrogant personal disposition.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Glow - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 08:25 PM)peregrine Wrote:(09-19-2020, 01:55 PM)Glow Wrote: Going to google that. Might bring clarity to my identity puzzle.
https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0414.aspx
This is the link to that particular channeling session. The part I was referring to is in the answer to the second question, although the entire session can be seen very much in terms of identity as a reflection--in that case--of facing up to a markedly arrogant personal disposition.
What a great channeling. Thanks Peregrine!
Reading that and obviously the other channellings by the group I find it astonishing the information wasn’t more broadly embraced by society at large. What a great gift L/L has provided with their work.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Dtris - 09-19-2020
I have reread the material 3 or 4 times. Each is a profound experience.
I have been thinking about this topic lately myself. I like to ask myself, "Who are you?" or "What are you?"
The answer varies, but there is more to identity than most people consider. If you think of it from the perspective of the other selves who interact with you, it can also provide some insight.
The other question I like is "What do you want to be?" If you now the answer then you can use that as a guide, instead of being aimless.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Patrick - 09-20-2020
(09-19-2020, 10:36 PM)Glow Wrote: ...I find it astonishing the information wasn’t more broadly embraced by society at large...
From my experience, society was conditioned to first trust the source of information BEFORE they even try to muster an interest in the information itself. So when a person learns what the source is here they simply discard it without even taking a look.
When a person allows themselves to seek using the heart as well as the mind, then they will be more able to ignore the weirdness of the source and checkout the info and see if it resonates with them.
But lately, maybe in part because of the current crisis, many people have begun this process. In many cases it is by first taking an interest in the conspiracy theories that are exploding on the mainstream at the moment. This opens them up to check information even if the source is weird or not mainstream.
With a bit of luck this brings them to L/L Research's excellent channelings.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Glow - 09-20-2020
(09-19-2020, 11:05 PM)Dtris Wrote: The other question I like is "What do you want to be?" If you now the answer then you can use that as a guide, instead of being aimless.
That is along the lines of one of the shamanic self healing class I took.
The unfortunate or fortunate part is I don’t want to be a person by design.
I want to drop the masks and naked as the experiencer be led where it feels natural.
It doesn’t feel aimless, it feels like truth or acceptance in what I am not.
But I guess as i go new masks form and they also eventually are discarded. Hopefully one will form that is thin enough that I can see through it clearly so it is barely a mask but just an interface with which to experience 3D and the beings here, feel mostly the love of the creator in peace with the otherselves about me. I assume healing will lead to that to.
I just remember the title of ram das’s last film “becoming nobody”.
I haven’t see. It yet. Maybe I should get on that.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Sacred Fool - 09-20-2020
(09-20-2020, 09:35 AM)Glow Wrote: I just remember the title of ram das’s last film “becoming nobody”.
I haven’t see. It yet. Maybe I should get on that.
Quote:80.20 Questioner: Sorry about that. Can you tell me what the twentieth archetype would be?
Ra: I am Ra. That which you call the Sarcophagus in your system may be seen to be the material world, if you will. This material world is transformed by the spirit into that which is infinite and eternal. The infinity of the spirit is an even greater realization than the infinity of consciousness, for consciousness which has been disciplined by will and faith is that consciousness which may contact intelligent infinity directly. There are many things which fall away in the many, many steps of adepthood. We, of Ra, still walk these steps and praise the One Infinite Creator at each transformation.
The business of of the world being transformed by spirit is, of course, an experience internal to the participant. Same goes for many things falling away. So, maybe the process of "becoming nobody" is simply allowing your consciousness to find its true being within the context of worldly tumult? Easier said than done, I suppose. Perhaps the film offers some practical suggestions?
As a curious aside, this is a very interesting line: "The infinity of the spirit is an even greater realization than the infinity of consciousness, for consciousness which has been disciplined by will and faith is that consciousness which may contact intelligent infinity directly." It seems to be comparing passive consciousness with that which has agency derived from self discipline, i.e., derived from the shape consciousness has taken as a result of the choices made along the way which have helped it bend towards eternity.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Glow - 09-20-2020
Thanks Peregrine, very helpful
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Glow - 09-20-2020
As I was heading to read the context of a Peregrine quote to see if I could glean more I found this interesting one which fits into the identity discussion.
80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?
Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.
80.12 Questioner: Then you say that this effect of disassociation on the service-to-others adept is a stumbling block or slowing process in reaching that goal which he aspires to? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This disassociation from the miasma of illusion and misrepresentation of each and every distortion is a quite necessary portion of an adept’s path. It may be seen by others to be unfortunate.
I’m going to admit. Though it was my path, and I maybe needed to go off track a while to ready myself, a part of my mind wonders why I wandered around in the dark looking elsewhere when it seems the answers were here all along. We are such mysterious creatures. lol
Ok back in my look at the original quote.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Sacred Fool - 09-20-2020
(09-20-2020, 12:54 PM)Glow Wrote: I’m going to admit. Though it was my path, and I maybe needed to go off track a while to ready myself, a part of my mind wunders why I wandered around in the dark looking elsewhere when it seems the answers were here all along. We are such mysterious creatures. lol
On the one hand, "There are no mistakes."
On the other hand, perhaps the reason for your (and my) endless digressions is this: (from the Q'uo session mentioned above)
Quote:And yet how clever are the many, many thoughts and strategies that will gladly entrain your intelligence and distract your will. These forces within you do not wish for you to open your heart. They like having full pockets. They do not want you to empty your pockets of these things which, to the surface personality, seem to suggest selfhood. Yet there is a powerful voice within you that says that this is not true consciousness. And you hunger for that.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Glow - 09-20-2020
(09-20-2020, 01:40 PM)peregrine Wrote:(09-20-2020, 12:54 PM)Glow Wrote: I’m going to admit. Though it was my path, and I maybe needed to go off track a while to ready myself, a part of my mind wunders why I wandered around in the dark looking elsewhere when it seems the answers were here all along. We are such mysterious creatures. lol
On the one hand, "There are no mistakes."
On the other hand, perhaps the reason for your (and my) endless digressions is this: (from the Q'uo session mentioned above)
Quote:And yet how clever are the many, many thoughts and strategies that will gladly entrain your intelligence and distract your will. These forces within you do not wish for you to open your heart. They like having full pockets. They do not want you to empty your pockets of these things which, to the surface personality, seem to suggest selfhood. Yet there is a powerful voice within you that says that this is not true consciousness. And you hunger for that.
Got a bit choked up at the resonance there so yes!
Thank you
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Glow - 09-20-2020
(09-20-2020, 12:54 PM)Glow Wrote:
80.12 Questioner: Then you say that this effect of disassociation on the service-to-others adept is a stumbling block or slowing process in reaching that goal which he aspires to? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This disassociation from the miasma of illusion and misrepresentation of each and every distortion is a quite necessary portion of an adept’s path. It may be seen by others to be unfortunate.
Not to reply to my own post but I am replying to my own post.
I often find Ra’s word choice so illuminating so not knowing exactly what Miasma was and knowing they choose pretty precise words here is the definition.
From dictionary.com
1. noxious exhalations from putrescent organic matter; poisonous effluvia or germs polluting the atmosphere
2. a dangerous, foreboding, or deathlike influence or atmosphere.
From Miriam Webster
1. : a vaporous exhalation formerly believed to cause disease
2. : an influence or atmosphere that tends to deplete or corrupt
also : an atmosphere that obscures :
Makes sence why disassociating from that Type of distorted influence would make seeing the creator or contacting intelligent infinity easier.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Louisabell - 09-20-2020
(09-19-2020, 01:54 PM)Glow Wrote: I kind of grapple between identities.
I so relate Glow.
There are many parts of the self to identify with. I'm going to go with something different here and state that a huge step forward is identifying with all the apparent disparate parts of ourselves, understanding then that we are fragmented. It is pleasant to identify with the sweet inner child, but identifying with say, the inner psychopath, can feel frightening and dangerous, yet is just as much ourselves as it comes from within. And oh well, if we don't identify with any part of ourselves consciously, we're going to subconsciously identify with it anyway.
As an aside, I asked my inner psychopath what it wanted (4D is making these thoughtforms almost like whole separate personalities) and it/I said that it/I just wanted to be left alone. For the first time I saw it for the wounded animal that it was, and yet it contains within it a courage and ferociousness that I could definitely benefit from (as the neurotic people pleaser I can be in social life).
So I move to identify with all these parts, and hope to take responsibility for them and their projections, moving towards a more integrated whole and discover, as Ra puts it, "the character and personality that is the true identity of the mind".
Quote:3.16 Questioner: Does the shape of the pyramid itself— is that a key function in the initiation process?
Ra: This is a large question. We feel that we shall begin and ask you to re-evaluate and ask further at a later session, this somewhat, shall we say, informative point.
To begin. There are two main functions of the pyramid in relation to the initiatory procedures. One has to do with the body. Before the body can be initiated, the mind must be initiated. This is the point at which most adepts of your present cycle find their mind/body/spirit complexes distorted from. When the character and personality that is the true identity of the mind had been discovered, the body then must be known in each and every way...
From a more integrated whole, we can see that love is both fierce/gentle and gentle/fierce. And perhaps when we perceive fierceness in others we may come to see the love in it, even if the most appropriate response would be to walk away or even to act to stop the other person.
I absolutely don't doubt that when people are in deep meditation and can reach a point where they identify with the intelligent infinity within, that this is exactly what is happening, however the question I ask is, can one maintain that frequency and bring it into everyday 3D life? Can they share it with other-selves who are not there yet? This is quite difficult as I believe there can be no part of ourselves that can be left behind. We always have one foot in the heavens and one foot in the 3D muck we are much apart of.
I think this touches on an important point of what many people call 'spiritual bypassing', which has been brought up many times and in many different ways on this forum. In my current rereading I noticed how the below passage of Ra is a wonderful way to explain this concept of spiritual bypassing...
Quote:1.10 ... Ra: ...Firstly, you must understand that the distinction between yourself and others is not visible to us. We do not consider that a separation exists between the consciousness-raising efforts of the distortion which you project as a personality and the distortion which you project as an other-personality. Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning, in which case you have done you/they little or no good. This understanding should be pondered by your mind/body/spirit complex, as it is a distortion which plays a part in your experiences at this nexus.
In essence, are you practising what you are preaching? And to be completely honest with myself, sometimes no. There is much inspirational spiritual content out there, but to integrate such wisdom with the self is where the real work begins, in my humble opinion!
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Glow - 09-20-2020
It’s so interesting how we all are seeking so differently.
And from your own quote:
We do not consider that a separation exists between the consciousness-raising efforts of the distortion which you project as a personality and the distortion which you project as an other-personality.
Which is what I’m taking about. These personalities are distortions and projections. Or as Ra also said illusionary husks.
I experience being Glow so do not spiritual bypass.
I have accepted the parts of her I have met.
I actually seek my subconscious directly to peer where I haven’t seen yet. Obviously I haven’t seen it all yet. I’m just 43. But I am no more these things than I was the things of other lives. They are impermiminent. Transitory or I am being this is not the same as I am this.
Hense the jumping around in my identification from different perspectives.
These transitory illusionary masks can be anything. In that way I agree we all are everything.
At a different perspective though none of this is really “US” any of this.
So face what is part of the current life yes, accept it of course but when I say we are none of it I mean as the spark that started gathering life experiences and wounds.
It was just love. The first distortion. All these parts we claim are us are just ways that spark of love has been distorted and expressed through the journey.
The journey - pain, fear, joy, biases, attachments, without them we are none of those things we carry and experience in life. So really that isn’t US at all.
I know spiritual bypass get thrown around but that’s when you haven’t looked closely at the parts, understood where they developed, why, had empathy for them, ect. This is just a different perspective. Sounds like you are doing that too it’s just a different perspective which is kind of the point.
You say you are the psychopath, I say there are no psychopaths just experiences of being a psychopath for a time for what ever reason that got one there. Sure feels real and can be a lot of catylist for a lot of people. But what is being the psychopath will also not be a psychopath. It’s just a role, a life, impermanent, transitory so I guess it just where one identifies most as them
For me I am being Glow, that can change moment to moment all that lasts is the awareness beneath that experiences them. Still a lot of good colour and interesting memories, some good, some not but a product of the path. Not actually what one is at their core.
When I quoted the part about disassociation I did not read that as Ra recommending pushing away or regecting stuff but letting it drop once it is done, even if that’s just moments at a time vs clinging as the ego does.
Disassociate as in no longer associating it as me, because I see it isn’t.
Moving back to creator as we all are after 3D one path is seeing how we are all the same because none of US ARE these things we can be these things at times “ distortions you project as personalities” but there is something more true that is longer lasting.
I guess it’s like seeing an over tired, hungry 6 year old, who feels sad and she’s being a brat. She’s screaming and being rude and disruptive. Choose any description.
Is she a brat? Rude? Disruptive?
To me she’s experiencing being hungry, overtired and sad as a 6 year old so is acting out. It doesn’t make her rude, a brat or whatever, though she can be those things temporarily and I see all humans and lives that way, myself included.
We are the spark before it is acted upon by catylist or at peace between catylist. All this stuff that comes as effects of catylist is just effects of catylist.
I was going to keep talking to be clear but words are imperfect and even Ra has trouble being clear so I am not going to force it.
Now I say this is true for me.
It’s true for others because I have seen the same sentiments expresssed by much more spiritually aware beings than I am currently.
I actually just rented the Ram das “becoming nobody” documentary off iTunes and his great mantra I am loving awareness kind of sums up who he thinks his true self is too.
So many different paths and perspectives.
Not saying it has to be true for you. You can be all the things.
I’m what is underneath that acts certain ways for a while. Currently Glow but who knows what I will be for a while next.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Louisabell - 09-21-2020
Beautifully said Glow, it's wonderful where you are on your journey as you are so open and generous when sharing.
Sorry, I meant to talk in broad generalities. I really do not want to insinuate you, or anyone else for that matter, is spiritually bypassing, because frankly I'm not qualified!
For sure there is a time for everything, a time to clean house and a time to press foward. And usually these things come around in cycles. It's all good and perfect.
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Ymarsakar - 09-21-2020
Things feel pretty good here. Not as productive or as fast a learning as people may prefer, but it is a better attunement in terms of balancing strong emotions.
Others have noted here that they harshly greet newcomers because they just didn't like that behavior in themselves, so greeting others was their version of facing themselves. As they were greeted themselves in a harsher manner, they feel this is merely continuing the previous past tradition.
Another has noted that previous encounters and greetings left them dissatisfied, so they become less tolerant of newcomers that appear to be doing the same things.
I would call attention not to the accuracy of these statements but what they all have in common. An obsession and derailment by the Past.
There is only the Ever Present Now. So Choose Again.
As for what "greeting" means in this context:
96.6 Questioner: Was the unusual sound on the instrument’s tape recorder that occurred while she was trying to record her singing a greeting from our fifth-density, negative associate?
Ra: I am Ra. No. Rather it was a greeting from a malfunctioning electronic machine.
Category: People: Carla, Don, Jim
81.2 Questioner: Is this the reason for the instrument’s feeling of uninterrupted weariness?
Ra: I am Ra. There are portions of your space/time in which this may be said to be symptomatic of the psychic greeting reaction. However, the continual weariness is not due to psychic greeting but is rather an inevitable consequence of this contact.
Category: Service to Others
98.3 Questioner: I had just taken a wild guess that it was possibly during that meditation prior to the working that was used by our fifth-density, negative friend to create the allergic reactions and other in the instrument. Was I correct on that, or incorrect?
Ra: I am Ra. This entity greets the instrument as close to the working in your space/time continuum as is practicable. The elimination of that preparation caused the fifth-density entity to greet this instrument at this juncture of decision not to meditate. The greeting does not take what you would call a noticeable amount of your time.
98.5 Questioner: I have a question from the instrument. She states: “Could Ra tell us what factors are allowing our fifth-density, negative companion to be able to continue greeting the instrument in the throat area as well as with other unusual sensations such as dizziness, smelling of orange blossoms, the feeling of stepping on imaginary creatures, and what can be done to lessen these greetings? And why the greetings occur on walks?”
Ra: I am Ra. There are various portions of the query. We shall attempt answer to each. We tread close to the Law of Confusion, saved only by the awareness that given lack of information this instrument would, nonetheless, continue to offer its service.
The working of your fifth-density companion, which still affects the instrument, was, as we have stated, a potent working. The totality of those biases which offer to the instrument opportunities for increased vital and physical strength, shall we say, were touched by the working. The blue-ray difficulties were not entirely at an end after the first asking. Again, this group experienced blockage rare for the group; that is, the blue-ray blockage of unclear communication. By this means the efficacy of the working was reinforced.
The potential of this working is significant. The physical exercising, the sacred music, the varieties of experience, and indeed simple social intercourse are jeopardized by a working which attempts to close the throat and the mouth. It is to be noted that there is also the potential for the loss of this contact.
We suggest that the instrument’s allergies create a continuous means whereby the distortion created by the magical working may be continued. As we have stated, it shall be necessary, in order to remove the working, to completely remove the distortion within the throat area caused by this working. The continuous aggravation of allergic reactions makes this challenging.
The orange blossom is the odor which you may associate with the social memory complex of fifth-density positive which is known to you as sound vibration, Latwii. This entity was with the instrument as requested by the instrument. The odor was perceived due to the quite sensitive nature of the instrument due, again, to its, shall we say, acme in the eighteen-day cycle.
The sensation of stepping upon the small animal and killing it was a greeting from your fifth-density, negative companion also made possible by the above circumstance.
As to the removal of the effects of the magical working, we may make two suggestions, one immediate and one general. Firstly, within the body of knowledge which those healers known among your peoples as medical doctors have is the use of harsh chemical substances which you call medicine. These substances almost invariably cause far more changes than are intended in the mind/body/spirit complex. However, in this instance the steroids or, alternately, the antibiotic family might be useful in the complete removal of the difficulty within which the working is still able to thrive. Of course, the allergies would persist after this course of medicine were ended, but the effects of the working would no longer come into play.
The one you call Jerome might well be of aid in this somewhat unorthodox medical situation. As allergies are quite misunderstood by your orthodox healers, it would be inappropriate to subject the instrument to the services of your medical doctors which find the amelioration of allergic effects to be connected with the intake of these same toxins in milder form. This, shall we say, treats, the symptom. However, the changes offered to the body complex are quite inadvisable. The allergy may be seen to be the rejection upon a deep level of the mind complex of the environment of the mind/body/spirit complex. Thus the allergy may be seen in its pure form as the mental/emotional distortion of the deeper self.
The more general recommendation lies with one which does not wish to be identified. There is a code name prayer wheel. We suggest ten treatments from this healer and further suggest a clear reading and subsequent following, upon the part of the instrument, of the priorities of allergy, especially to your foodstuffs.
Lastly, the effects of the working become apparent upon the walking when the body complex has begun to exert itself to the point of increased respiration. Also a contributing factor is the number of your second-density substances to which this instrument is allergic.
Sometimes even reading the entire session itself does not make things clear, let alone one or type questions. Don was truly grasping for everything he could to save Carla, as he was nearly obsessed over her health during the working. He felt personally responsible, perhaps, but that also aligned with his divine purpose.
If people are making use of their experiences and catalysts here to progress further on their self chosen path, whether it be negative or positive (I have seen both and even guided individuals on both, although the predominant personal preference is to work with STO seekers).
This is why STS likes creating wars, conflicts, and divisions. They try to overload humanity with catalysts, and overwhelm your emotional centers, so you do not have this light balance where your spirit feels safe to explore this reality. Instead, it must give power to the ego, for the ego is uniquely equipped to deal with greetings. Do Unto others what they would have done unto you, except do it first! Says the Ego. And sometimes it is right, most times it is blind hehe.
https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=negative+greeting
RE: LOO rereading and there being 'only identity' - Ymarsakar - 09-21-2020
Quote:When a person allows themselves to seek using the heart as well as the mind, then they will be more able to ignore the weirdness of the source and checkout the info and see if it resonates with them.
That is quite perceptive, Patrick.
It was said of Yeshua of Nazareth that sometimes he would say things in confusing parables in order so that those with ears will hear it, and those not with this spirit, will be blind to the story, not understand, and hence not be saved. This seems like a person promoting the law of confusion, which may not have made sense for a religious authority, but does make sense for an adept and seeker.
We live in a different time, with Alphabet, search engines ,and the net, where we can communicate and seek without face to face meetings. More convenient.
If I place a title, "doctor" before my name and wear a white lab coat, this is considered instant credibility. Even before these credentials are considered and challenged. That has always felt wrong to me, although I hvae only pinpointed why recently. Although 2020 certainly gives people 2020 vision on certain matters relating to authorities.
This issue affects people both ways. What I mean is that it is possible to mistake something as credible due to the authority backing a person. But it is also very possible to mistake someone's authority, because what they say sounds non orthodox. Kryon often refers to channeling as spirit/god talking to mankind. Whenever it happens, it is not authorized nor considered popular nor even appreciated, as it tends to be bombastic (Jeremiah prophesying the destruction via famine of X, Y, and Z, which is like an American saying Civil War 2 was inevitable in 2007), horriying, terrifying, anti tradition, and disruptive (yeshua). These scriptures, that originally came from documenting channeled translations, are now official and considered authoritative... yes, but not back then.
So what about new channels of information such as the Ra contact? It was made in the 1980s. If someone were to channel Ra again, such as Pamela Aaralyn, would this information be considered as legitimate as the 1980s?
Humans tend to ascribe authority to old things. This obsession with the past, once again. The older they are, the "more authority and gravitas"!
If angels, if arch angels, if Heyl-El himself and others, regardless of what you call them wanderers or starseeds, were to be encountered online, how many would notice the difference between the genuine and the non genuine? The traditional adherence to slogans and myths, vs those that are more rare?
They cannot be discerned. In fact, that is on PURPOSE. That is to confuse people. Because if they were not confused... this test would be meaningless. All this suffering, would be meaningless. One must choose, without knowing the TEST ANSWERS before hand. So confuse them. The proctors of this test are not at the front of the room in a white lab coat, checking your answers and desks for cheaters. They are all around you. Just as STS individuals are hidden, the proctors for this universal and multiverse test are ... hidden, veiled, and those who look at them, get confused. Without that, this entire "experiment" would be a waste of time, not that time is lacking for eternal entities. Inefficiency is not preferred however.
STS is veiled from humans. But there is something veiled from both STS and STO elder civilizations. They only know as much as they need to, for this experiment to function. If they know too much... then it may leak answers and the test becomes invalidated. Humans look to civilizations and contacts such as iamraw for information and guidance, just as iamraw the vibration sound complex, looks to their 7th density teachers and mentors. And on and on it goes.