Why do so many humans struggle with the concept of compassion?

[KaliSouth]

People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

[RitaJC]

I believe there's only one answer: FEAR because of (often unconscious and mostly unquestioned) beliefs based in ignorance

[Diana]

Humans being other-selves is only part of this story. There are other life forms.

Tribalism, which is an underlying influence of racism and separation, derives from the 2D world, where herd integrity promotes survival. Those closer to 2D mentality, whether from a point in evolution or a choice to stay unconscious, will cling to tribal behavior, because they are operating from the instinct to survive in the physical world.

Seeing people as other-selves is a first giant step. But another step after that is the recognition that all life forms are other-selves. A glimpse into that awakening would be when people have pets. Ra says that pets can become harvestable to 3D from being individuated by the love the pets receive from their owners. But reciprocally, the pets teach the people that animals—at least certain animals they have become attached to—are other-selves.

Pets being recognized as other-selves is a step toward the realization that all life matters, not just human life. And that would be a step toward integrating the concept that all is one.

So one might see compassion as available when the energy of a being isn't used up with survival. This happens in various ways, and eventually, the catalyst being offered makes its way into the consciousness of that being, and that begins the process of becoming aware of choice. Once a being comprehends that there is a choice, not just the response (reacting) to a harsh environment, other feelings have a chance of being recognized.

[Black Dragon]

In a nutshell, RitaJC is right about the fear thing, at least for 90% of what motivates lack of compassion being fear in some form or other. Here's some of the more specific manifestations of that idea that I think contribute:

First you've got the obvious ones like Tribalism(as Diana mentioned), which ties into racism, nationalism, toxic politics, and basically seeing people as "the other". Another obvious one is humanity's general level of treatment toward our environment and animals, and those plundering and abusive behaviors stem from fear of lack of abundance and the feeling of needing to compete for resources, and from the concept of hierarchy and arrogance that man is superior to his environment and lower density life forms.

The hierarchy thing ties into the concepts of conformity and authority. "Society" as a construct is generally not very compassionate. The people that tend to be successful in this setting are also not very compassionate. Most of the "rest of us" are confused and/or apathetic, and conform easily. This manifests in a "survival of the fittest", or "might makes right" ideology.

A really big a lot of people don't consider is weariness/fatigue/burnout-just the drain and drag of life and the system. Think of your decent every day person that's more or less in the sinkhole with some flashes of insight, or even consider wanderers, because it happens to us too. Think of all the stress of daily life on this planet and how much time and energy a lot of us spend just keeping up with the demands of red ray physical existence and yellow ray society, not to mention how much time and energy many people spend serving other people and institutions that don't care or have compassion for them.

Somebody who busts their butt at some job they don't enjoy where nobody cares if they drop dead the next day, where their boss will throw them under the bus for the smallest crap if the situation calls for it, probably wants to spend most of their free time attending to their own needs-mostly "rest, distraction, and anonymity", but also whatever kind of self-actualization or fulfillment of their own highest excitement they are able to do with their limited time. That leaves very little time and energy for being extra compassionate of the needs of others, and when the choice is made to serve others while the "tank is on empty" like this, it can feel like a draining sacrifice rather than and effortless gift. Too much of that and a person just kinda zombifies-its not that they don't want to be compassionate, their 3d mortal supply of compassion has just been fully drained.

[Dtris]

People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

I sense a distinct political bias in your post. I have the opposite bias, and can assure you, that those beliefs you believe the other side have are not nearly as often true as you might think. It is politically expedient to paint one side as not compassionate in various ways. We create our reality thru our beliefs. If you believe other people are all these evil things because they lack compassion, then you will never be able to see from their eyes and understand the real reasons people believe certain things. You may still disagree after seeing from their eyes, that is fine.

I already argued this with Unity, but compassion when taken as the highest virtue is easily led to ideology which is less than helpful to put it mildly. Compassion has to be tempered with respect for free will and individual responsibility. When someone who holds compassion as one of if not the highest ideal confronts someone who holds individual freedom as the highest ideal, it can often lead the one who believes in compassion to believe the other does not, and vice versa.

As Ra says "The third discipline of the mind is a repetition of the first but with the gaze outward towards the fellow entities that it meets. In each entity there exists completeness. Thus, the ability to understand each balance is necessary. When you view patience, you are responsible for mirroring in your mental understanding, patience/impatience. When you view impatience, it is necessary for your mental configuration of understanding to be impatience/patience. We use this as a simple example. Most configurations of mind have many facets, and understanding of either self polarities, or what you would call other-self polarities, can and must be understood as subtle work."

[KaliSouth]

People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

I sense a distinct political bias in your post. I have the opposite bias, and can assure you, that those beliefs you believe the other side have are not nearly as often true as you might think. It is politically expedient to paint one side as not compassionate in various ways. We create our reality thru our beliefs. If you believe other people are all these evil things because they lack compassion, then you will never be able to see from their eyes and understand the real reasons people believe certain things. You may still disagree after seeing from their eyes, that is fine.

I already argued this with Unity, but compassion when taken as the highest virtue is easily led to ideology which is less than helpful to put it mildly. Compassion has to be tempered with respect for free will and individual responsibility. When someone who holds compassion as one of if not the highest ideal confronts someone who holds individual freedom as the highest ideal, it can often lead the one who believes in compassion to believe the other does not, and vice versa.

As Ra says "The third discipline of the mind is a repetition of the first but with the gaze outward towards the fellow entities that it meets. In each entity there exists completeness. Thus, the ability to understand each balance is necessary. When you view patience, you are responsible for mirroring in your mental understanding, patience/impatience. When you view impatience, it is necessary for your mental configuration of understanding to be impatience/patience. We use this as a simple example. Most configurations of mind have many facets, and understanding of either self polarities, or what you would call other-self polarities, can and must be understood as subtle work."

I think you should start your own thread about politics. I'm talking about spiritual development.

[meadow-foreigner]

People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

The issue here is not the groups that are mistreated, abused or anything. The underlying issue, as with everything in a 3D world, is that whatever is outpoured from the Self is a projection of the Self. If there is violence projected outwards, it doesn't matter the target of the violence (as that's simply the effect); what matters is the cause, and the cause in this case is the violence to the Self.

One only harms other-Selves because one harms their own Self. One only mistreats other-Selves because one mistreats their Self. Simple as that.

As long as one clings to the appearances, the societal identities, one is prone to mindless reincarnation until one figures it out. 4D implies a physicality that is more fluid, according to one's desires of expression. Fixation and fascination in the outward appearances is typical to a 3D mindset.

Notwithstanding all of this: if you really are inclined to be of Service To Others, maybe you should simply let the ones that want to hurt and to proudly shout be like they are. The desire to change other-Selves is a STS mentality, for every desire that radiates outwards are but a projection of the Self. Wishful thinking and all of that.

[KaliSouth]

Compassion is the thing that allows us to have empathy for other-selves. And STS entity has decided that it has no interest in compassion. The question is about the entities that have not chosen STS.

Is there some logic to them that allows them to understand that compassion is okay when someone expresses it for their situation, but that they then are absolved from "paying it foward", as it were? What is the mechanism at work here?

[Black Dragon]

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Notwithstanding all of this: if you really are inclined to be of Service To Others, maybe you should simply let the ones that want to hurt and to proudly shout be like they are. The desire to change other-Selves is a STS mentality, for every desire that radiates outwards are but a projection of the Self. Wishful thinking and all of that.
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Here's where paradox comes into play; if you are STO, you value love, compassion, and innocence, and would wish to protect those things. One who is STO would wish to protect that which is innocent from that which is not-they would want to be of service to those who would BE hurt by those who want to hurt. Those who are truly STO would be tired of all the misery that's been going on for endless cycles on this planet. You know that news story years back where the 15 year old girl gets gang raped in the ally way and there's tons of people just watching? No thanks, I'd rather not just be a bystander watching the show. Those who wish to be STS and hurt others put themselves on that wavelength. They match themselves to whatever retribution comes their way, so yes, they "started it", and yes, they "deserve it"-and that goes all the way up the density ladder. Manipulating a developing 3d species "free will" in underhanded ways should not exempt an individual being, group, or SMC from karma like some fucking stupid technical loophole-they will have to pay eventually. Their intent is evil and it is intent which makes karma, not exploiting some loophole because the logos is stupid and mechanistic and amoral, like some dumb computer prone to being hacked and exploited. They are the opposition-they are not to be babied and pussy-footed around. We don't have to be kind to them-they can take care of themselves. That's what they are all about, being tough and taking care of them fucking selves. They don't need our love-let the creator love them and sort them out when we're through with 'em. They are to be overcome. A puzzle is something meant to be solved, as is the question of evil. If I choose to solve the puzzle rather than leave it in the box unassembled, does that make me an anti-puzzle bigot?

Compassion for dedicated STS beings is folly from a 3d perspective, so as long as I have to operate in a 3d environment, STS can do what they do best and "love" themselves

[KaliSouth]

Notwithstanding all of this: if you really are inclined to be of Service To Others, maybe you should simply let the ones that want to hurt and to proudly shout be like they are. The desire to change other-Selves is a STS mentality, for every desire that radiates outwards are but a projection of the Self. Wishful thinking and all of that.
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Here's where paradox comes into play; if you are STO, you value love, compassion, and innocence, and would wish to protect those things. One who is STO would wish to protect that which is innocent from that which is not-they would want to be of service to those who would BE hurt by those who want to hurt. Those who are truly STO would be tired of all the misery that's been going on for endless cycles on this planet. You know that news story years back where the 15 year old girl gets gang raped in the ally way and there's tons of people just watching? No thanks, I'd rather not just be a bystander watching the show. Those who wish to be STS and hurt others put themselves on that wavelength. They match themselves to whatever retribution comes their way, so yes, they "started it", and yes, they "deserve it"-and that goes all the way up the density ladder. Manipulating a developing 3d species "free will" in underhanded ways should not exempt an individual being, group, or SMC from karma like some fucking stupid technical loophole-they will have to pay eventually. Their intent is evil and it is intent which makes karma, not exploiting some loophole because the logos is stupid and mechanistic and amoral, like some dumb computer prone to being hacked and exploited. They are the opposition-they are not to be babied and pussy-footed around. We don't have to be kind to them-they can take care of themselves. That's what they are all about, being tough and taking care of them fucking selves. They don't need our love-let the creator love them and sort them out when we're through with 'em. They are to be overcome. A puzzle is something meant to be solved, as is the question of evil. If I choose to solve the puzzle rather than leave it in the box unassembled, does that make me an anti-puzzle bigot?

Compassion for dedicated STS beings is folly from a 3d perspective, so as long as I have to operate in a 3d environment, STS can do what they do best and "love" themselves
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From the perspective of a wanderer, yes it is a perplexing situation. Your have an inherent feeling that you are not of this insanity, yet here you are living amongst it. Then you remind yourself that you agreed to do this. STS entities have made their choice and they're happy with it. Then there's the rest of the human population. Psychopaths? Lost under the veil? Very few recognise the oneness of creation.

What a mess! And it's our mess too, as entities that have chosen a human incarnation. I must say, if a more spiritually advanced alien civilization (positively oriented) invited me on-board their space ship or to their planet I would accept.

[Sacred Fool]

People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

It seems to me that your answer is sitting right there within your question, if you view it in the context of hierarchical levels of consciousness.  So, a person who has learned well to function at the level "self-as-social-being," but has not learned to function as "self-which-embraces-universal-love" will be in exactly the place you describe: socially functional, but not yet attuned to universal compassion, no?  Yes?

Compassion for dedicated STS beings is folly from a 3d perspective, so as long as I have to operate in a 3d environment, STS can do what they do best and "love" themselves

You may be headed down the road of unintended consequences.  An STS being who can provoke a person into taking such an attitude has created a follower, in some sense.
  

[Black Dragon]

People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

It seems to me that your answer is sitting right there within your question, if you view it in the context of hierarchical levels of consciousness.  So, a person who has learned well to function at the level "self-as-social-being," but has not learned to function as "self-which-embraces-universal-love" will be in exactly the place you describe: socially functional, but not yet attuned to universal compassion, no?  Yes?


[quote-'Black Dragon']Compassion for dedicated STS beings is folly from a 3d perspective, so as long as I have to operate in a 3d environment, STS can do what they do best and "love" themselves

You may be headed down the road of unintended consequences.  An STS being who can provoke a person into taking such an attitude has created a follower, in some sense.
  
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In a way, I get you. In a way, what confuses me is that it just seems like...so if I refuse to be a "sheep", then that automatically puts me on the unintended path of being a "wolf". What if I think that whole polarity dynamic is stupid and perverse, and have no desire to be either? Not much of a "free will universe" if the only choices are predator, prey, or sinkhole. Polarity is for batteries, AKA, fuel sources used to run a machine. I am a person. I am not a fuel source used to run a machine, or a battery to power some stupid reality matrix that feeds off a misery dynamic.

I don't know. I'm so weary of the whole dynamic that something has to give. There has to be a better way of relating to this whole thing and so far, it's eluded me. I just know what I feel is wrong with the creation and the ways in which I don't want to relate to it, but I have yet to find a constructive alternative.

[Minyatur]

People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

I think people in general struggle with the concept of having compassion for themselves, their relationship with their own self then is projected upon their perception of their other-self. That is why the material states that forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self, everything in our relationships with others shed light upon what we can accept or not within ourselves. A lot of people are just plain harsh with themselves, lacking the ability to be understanding and compassionate with themselves and so they will hold themselves up to standards they believe are truth and will disdain others who do not seek to adhere to these same ideals. More than people believe that others are not worthy of their respect, I think it is more along the lines of that they would not respect themselves to be alike the other-selves that they lack respect for. It is actually incredibly hard from a 3D perspective to understand that you are not above others and instead simply in differing circumstances, perceiving the same oneness being expressed within each. As this experience has an emphasis upon free will and the veiled exploration of self, it makes sense that compassion is harder to achieve or reach.

[Sacred Fool]

so if I refuse to be a "sheep", then that automatically puts me on the unintended path of being a "wolf". What if I think that whole polarity dynamic is stupid and perverse, and have no desire to be either? Not much of a "free will universe" if the only choices are predator, prey, or sinkhole. Polarity is for batteries, AKA, fuel sources used to run a machine. I am a person. I am not a fuel source used to run a machine, or a battery to power some stupid reality matrix that feeds off a misery dynamic.

Some would see it a bit differently--and less spasmodically.  You say you're a person.  But maybe you are a soul playing the part of a person?  As a person you may have the energy to do this and that, however, as a soul it's spiritual polarity that enables you to do whatever it is your soul might wish to do in this world.


Your binary characterization of sheep and wolves which you correlate these with + and - polarization is a tiny and closed system.  What you're overlooking is holiness: wholeness, healing, communion with the soul.

Those who work with the closed system are working under the assumption that the individual self is a closed system. However, the higher self resides within the open heart. It is closer to you than your own breathing or your own heartbeat. Now, because the higher self resting in the heart is under its beneficent influence, the preponderant inspiration from contact with the higher self shall have to do with love because choosing love over fear, choosing service to others over service to self, choosing radiance over self-defense, is that which polarizes an entity positively and enables that entity to be ready for graduation.

(S channeling)

I am Q’uo, and I am now with this instrument. The practice of the daily meditation is in relation to worldly activity something of a retreat. It is where one goes for that kind of nourishment which is not of this world, and we cannot stress enough the importance of allowing this world to be imbued with a coloration which reflects all that is holy in the life of the spirit. There is a warm welcome that always awaits within the inner temple, and yet over and over again one finds within this inner temple doorways leading out, and, my brothers and my sisters, it is given to you as those who have volunteered to undergo this experience and this density that is the third that you shall go forth and that you shall bare your breast to this world. There is not a plan which we can recommend that will solve all problems you encounter here. There is not a solution which can be bought, studied, practiced and perfected. There is, however, available to you this one constant resource, and that is your intent to heal, to be healed, and to allow the effect of your healing to radiate outwards. This requires a kind of vulnerability which runs counter to practically everything one learns of the necessity for self-defense within the world.

The world does seem such a dangerous place and it does seem folly to expose one to it with the fullness of intent we are recommending. But it is just this folly which is at the core of the creation itself, for in the creation the Creator has exposed Itself in a way which is inconceivable and utterly unpredictable. Within the chaos of a seething creation the one steady factor is the intent. Your intent is a power which accrues to you as your birthright in the Creator, and it is through your intent that you participate, for better or for worse, in the drama that is the creation.

I'm not sure you'll find much here to guide you, but it's worth a shot.


  

I think people in general struggle with the concept of having compassion for themselves, their relationship with their own self then is projected upon their perception of their other-self.

Do you think people have trouble with this concept because their heart centers are inactive, or are their heart centers inactive because they are struggling with compassion, or...?
   

[Dtris]

In a way, I get you. In a way, what confuses me is that it just seems like...so if I refuse to be a "sheep", then that automatically puts me on the unintended path of being a "wolf". What if I think that whole polarity dynamic is stupid and perverse, and have no desire to be either? Not much of a "free will universe" if the only choices are predator, prey, or sinkhole. Polarity is for batteries, AKA, fuel sources used to run a machine. I am a person. I am not a fuel source used to run a machine, or a battery to power some stupid reality matrix that feeds off a misery dynamic.

I don't know. I'm so weary of the whole dynamic that something has to give. There has to be a better way of relating to this whole thing and so far, it's eluded me. I just know what I feel is wrong with the creation and the ways in which I don't want to relate to it, but I have yet to find a constructive alternative.

The negative polarity did not exist until someone bucked the trend and decided to be negative. The veil did not exist until some sub logos bucked the trend and created the veil. Maybe you have biases and misunderstandings, or maybe you aren't keen on the whole polarity gig. The beauty of the creation and free will, is that there is no reason why you can't create your own path forward. Maybe you will end up on one of the paths you are tired of now in the end, but at least you will have gotten there yourself and in a way that makes you happy. I am personally not a fan of a Social Memory Complex, but it sounds mandatory for 4th density. Maybe earth will be the first planet to go thru 4th density with a portion of the planets inhabitants remaining outside a social memory complex and still making it thru 4th density. The possibilities are just awaiting to be imagined and made real.

[SP1]

People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

The irony is that I am most hated by black females.

Realize that the groups you mentioned have the most fear which leads to hate. They have inferiority complexes that they must work out.

[Diana]

I don't know. I'm so weary of the whole dynamic that something has to give. There has to be a better way of relating to this whole thing and so far, it's eluded me. I just know what I feel is wrong with the creation and the ways in which I don't want to relate to it, but I have yet to find a constructive alternative.

I understand. I figure that the constructive alternative you refer to is there somewhere (in the proverbial future of awareness) or this existence would be meaningless, and a completely random universe doesn't make sense to me for many reasons—one being consciousness. What I don't think a constructive alternative necessarily includes is an agreement.

So what I do is simply move forward. This is not a new concept nor is it something you or anyone doesn't already know. I move forward with my own convictions regardless of what the world is or what the world is doing, or how this existence is set up. Focusing on my own "mission," which does not mean a wanderer's mission or anything other than that which I choose to do and be in this world, is not a simple thing nor does it happen without vigilance.

I think "faith" is a really difficult concept and does not lend itself to verbal description. In addition, religions have so tainted the word it is almost impossible to extricate it from their collective contexts. And right here, after writing that sentence about religions, I can feel the pull of the human drama, and I want to focus on the injustice, ignorance, and violence religion has manifested and continues to manifest in this reality. But that is what I mean by staying focused on my own convictions. It's easy for me to focus on injustice, but that doesn't do me or anything or anyone else any good at all. I fight it continually, and keep pulling my attention back to what I want to accomplish, what I want to project, and what I want to represent—regardless of anything else, which could include the possibility that it all actually is random and meaningless, because no matter what anyone thinks or says, here, in 3D early 4d if that's the case, there is that pesky veil. Even Ra didn't know what was beyond a certain point.

However, there is an awareness inside one's being, of some kind, that I don't think is just an instinct for survival, that is ineffable but of an undeniable metaphysical (meaning beyond physical) and meaningful quality which provides a connection to everything there is. Maybe it's just cosmic forces such as gravity, or subatomic particles or waves that comprise the underlying structure of existence, but even just that, without a creator, is completely awesome.

Woody Allen puts it well in his own words from Hannah and Her Sisters:

[Glow]

Had this discussion with a client today.

He asked whether I think moral strength is more difficult to build or physical strength.

I changed the question a bit but told him I think the hardest strength to build is the open heart. Kindness compassion ect.

This client has been a criminal defence attorney for 3 decades but some how managed it.
I told him so. I saw tears in his eyes over his mask so I know he felt seen. Every dealing he has with anyone is gratitude, gentleness, free of judgement and full of compassionate patience and understanding.

He has said repeatedly that of every defendant even the ones who did comit the crimes only in one case was the person “bad”. The rest just had unfortunate situations that led them to their seat in the court room.

Most people aren’t strong enough to stay soft hearted in a generally cold, some what destructive to hearts world.

Open heart is potentially painful, so only the strongest can stay that way.

The weakest would be the ones who armour up the most with their own cold/cruelty.
Not a judgement to say it’s weakness, they just haven’t become strong yet. Like all growth it takes work, some work on other things.

[Sacred Fool]

Most people aren’t strong enough to stay soft hearted in a generally cold, some what destructive to hearts world.

Open heart is potentially painful, so only the strongest can stay that way.

Yes, I expect this has a lot do with Ra's assertion that it's just as challenging to polarize 51%+ as 95%-.   Both require much dedication and courage.  Both are very deeply felt. And the need for such depth of character goes some ways towards answering the question posed in the title of this thread, I would say.
  

[Louisabell]

I suppose a good question to ask is, "can you feel compassion for those that don't feel compassion"?

If your answer is no,sometimes or depends, then look within to find the answers that you seek.

Q'uo quote on the initiation into green energy centre, that centre of compassion...

When we come to the green energy center, we are focused then upon the unconditional love which each entity has for all entities within the creation, for at this point the entity is the creator in miniature, shall we say, and feels the love of the One Infinite Creator for all of the creation. This love of the creation then is reflected in some kind of a challenge, shall we say, that asks of this entity so penetrating green ray or the heart energy center to be able to love that which seems unlovable. This type of an initiation is that which then allows the seeker to look within itself to find the qualities of the unlovable being within itself that are stopping it from being able to so love this entity.

When this is accomplished, then there are various other types of initiations that would expand upon this basic concept of being able to love that which is beyond oneself, that which is not understandable, that which seems to be difficult, shall we say.

As for the large amount of humans which don't seem interested in progressing, Q'uo has elaborated on what Ra termed the 'sinkhole of indifference'...

Gary: I have a couple of quick follow-ups to that question, thank you so much Q’uo. One is about what causes or contributes to this sinkhole of indifference. It seems like you were saying habituation is one primary cause—it’s just what entities are used to over who knows how many incarnations and planets. I think another is the diversity of planetary origins on this planet. Are there any other significant contributing factors to why so many are in a sinkhole of indifference?

Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my brother. Again, we appreciate your analysis of the situation for many of these entities have had these types of experiences upon other planetary influences where they were, shall we say, not energetically processing catalyst in a conscious manner at any time during the incarnation, so that the possibility of such processing was removed from their concept of how the life might be lived and enhanced.

The sowing of indifference, then, began as a seeding of consciousness that produced the mistaken conclusion that the present moment experience was all that was available. Thus, the movement beyond the present moment experience was not sought as an alternative to existing within that moment self-created by entities that had little success in seeing the greater view of the life experience.

These entities also had little contact, therefore, with their greater being, their higher self or unconscious mind so that there was little chance that pre-incarnative choices could be made more clearly observable or perceived by these entities. Thus, by not being able or willing to move beyond the present moment self-constructed, they found themselves within a bind in which the mind was unable to see any further than the imagine of the self that had been projected by time and experience in previous incarnations that had carried forth into the present incarnation in each instance. Thus, there was the slowing of any forward movement so that the entities began in a metaphysical sense to go round and round instead of moving outside of the circle, outside of the previous conception of the self, and begin to allow perceptions of all kinds to expand into greater and greater views of the self, other selves, and the world around all.

Therefore, these entities have experienced a kind of drudgery or dragging of energies that are available to all in the beginning of each third-density experience.

It is difficult to say precisely how the beginning of such dragging or drudgery occurs within the beginning third-density experience, for all, at that point, have some desire to move forward. There is, within each entity, a kind of spark of intuition and inspiration that each begins the third-density experience with at some point.

As this spark is not fed and the fire begins to dwindle, then, there is this type of energy dragging and dissipating that, in the metaphysical sense, causes the slowing of the progress until it becomes as if no progress can be made.

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We find that the gravity well of indifference is that which operates upon the spiritual level, much as you might say peer pressure operates socially upon entities within a third-density environment where the reproduction of behaviors and thoughts of entities surround one seems to be the best way to proceed; for the third-density entity begins with the desire to be appreciated and valued by those about it, and instead of initiating its own behavior, will then reproduce the behavior that it perceives being exhibited by those that are within its evidence reach or realm of experience.

[meadow-foreigner]

Notwithstanding all of this: if you really are inclined to be of Service To Others, maybe you should simply let the ones that want to hurt and to proudly shout be like they are. The desire to change other-Selves is a STS mentality, for every desire that radiates outwards are but a projection of the Self. Wishful thinking and all of that.
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Here's where paradox comes into play; if you are STO, you value love, compassion, and innocence, and would wish to protect those things. One who is STO would wish to protect that which is innocent from that which is not-they would want to be of service to those who would BE hurt by those who want to hurt. Those who are truly STO would be tired of all the misery that's been going on for endless cycles on this planet. You know that news story years back where the 15 year old girl gets gang raped in the ally way and there's tons of people just watching? No thanks, I'd rather not just be a bystander watching the show. Those who wish to be STS and hurt others put themselves on that wavelength. They match themselves to whatever retribution comes their way, so yes, they "started it", and yes, they "deserve it"-and that goes all the way up the density ladder. Manipulating a developing 3d species "free will" in underhanded ways should not exempt an individual being, group, or SMC from karma like some fucking stupid technical loophole-they will have to pay eventually. Their intent is evil and it is intent which makes karma, not exploiting some loophole because the logos is stupid and mechanistic and amoral, like some dumb computer prone to being hacked and exploited. They are the opposition-they are not to be babied and pussy-footed around. We don't have to be kind to them-they can take care of themselves. That's what they are all about, being tough and taking care of them fucking selves. They don't need our love-let the creator love them and sort them out when we're through with 'em. They are to be overcome. A puzzle is something meant to be solved, as is the question of evil. If I choose to solve the puzzle rather than leave it in the box unassembled, does that make me an anti-puzzle bigot?

Compassion for dedicated STS beings is folly from a 3d perspective, so as long as I have to operate in a 3d environment, STS can do what they do best and "love" themselves

Such is the STS mindset: dog eat dog world. Kill or be killed, one against another, division, etc. Simply a projection of an unresolved Self. That not to mention the inherent biases of analyzing a single incarnative experience, which simply won't do. If you're willing to graduate from the "dot" standpoint, you better reconcile all the "dots" that you've incarnated into the 4D "line" concept, comprised of infinite dots. Judgment, attribution of value and/or worth is inherently STS because it overlooks the Whole for the part. Synecdochal awareness.

However, there's more than just that, as much as there's more than one pixel in the screen you see.

Could it be that there is another balanced, almost alien-like approach to The Creation?

[KaliSouth]

Had this discussion with a client today.

He asked whether I think moral strength is more difficult to build or physical strength.

I changed the question a bit but told him I think the hardest strength to build is the open heart. Kindness compassion ect.

This client has been a criminal defence attorney for 3 decades but some how managed it.
I told him so. I saw tears in his eyes over his mask so I know he felt seen. Every dealing he has with anyone is gratitude, gentleness, free of judgement and full of compassionate patience and understanding.

He has said repeatedly that of every defendant even the ones who did comit the crimes only in one case was the person “bad”. The rest just had unfortunate situations that led them to their seat in the court room.

Most people aren’t strong enough to stay soft hearted in a generally cold, some what destructive to hearts world.

Open heart is potentially painful, so only the strongest can stay that way.

The weakest would be the ones who armour up the most with their own cold/cruelty.
Not a judgement to say it’s weakness, they just haven’t become strong yet. Like all growth it takes work, some work on other things.

That's an interesting observation. Some of us have some spiritual "memory" of a better way of being that is ingrained into our being, and others find that cruelty "protects" them. It would be interesting to dissect the type of personality that has no feeling for spiritual life or compassion but lives and thrives in a self-centered existence (not the same as an STS entity).

[Glow]

That's an interesting observation. Some of us have some spiritual "memory" of a better way of being that is ingrained into our being, and others find that cruelty "protects" them. It would be interesting to dissect the type of personality that has no feeling for spiritual life or compassion but lives and thrives in a self-centered existence (not the same as an STS entity).

I can tell you insight into one I saw in astral.

Take it or leave it if it does not resonate.
I am just sharing potential useful experience but it may not be useful for you.

I was lighting candles a few meters away from them (divine light) just to lure negative energy that isn’t theirs away. I do that for people but always ask permission first.

For this person suddenly a figure appeared that was not in contact with the person, a detatched second part. It’s outsides looked like charcoal armour but not armour worn, as if the outside of the being formed this around of itself. I expected it to be the persons shadow aspects so chaos and turmoil ect.

However when I felt it’s energy it was that of a small pure and frightened alone child. It wasn’t even in contact with the active personality of the person. It had been completely cut off to protect them.

That child was the part that would normally connect to spirituality and love - STO stuff. How can the personality choose STO things when it is completely cut off from its own light?

I guess for those the catylist of life is to potentially open them up to themselves and the light or to close them off further.

I conversed with the armoured child and it no longer wanted to be alone or feel scared it was light at roots as we all are.

To reconnect and drop the armour bit by bit would likely lead to another focus/choice. It would have to be safe for them to do so though.

Take it or leave it just sharing experience

[KaliSouth]

That is a fascinating story, Glow!