(10-20-2020, 12:34 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

(10-21-2020, 10:04 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(10-20-2020, 12:34 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

I sense a distinct political bias in your post. I have the opposite bias, and can assure you, that those beliefs you believe the other side have are not nearly as often true as you might think. It is politically expedient to paint one side as not compassionate in various ways. We create our reality thru our beliefs. If you believe other people are all these evil things because they lack compassion, then you will never be able to see from their eyes and understand the real reasons people believe certain things. You may still disagree after seeing from their eyes, that is fine.

I already argued this with Unity, but compassion when taken as the highest virtue is easily led to ideology which is less than helpful to put it mildly. Compassion has to be tempered with respect for free will and individual responsibility. When someone who holds compassion as one of if not the highest ideal confronts someone who holds individual freedom as the highest ideal, it can often lead the one who believes in compassion to believe the other does not, and vice versa.

As Ra says "The third discipline of the mind is a repetition of the first but with the gaze outward towards the fellow entities that it meets. In each entity there exists completeness. Thus, the ability to understand each balance is necessary. When you view patience, you are responsible for mirroring in your mental understanding, patience/impatience. When you view impatience, it is necessary for your mental configuration of understanding to be impatience/patience. We use this as a simple example. Most configurations of mind have many facets, and understanding of either self polarities, or what you would call other-self polarities, can and must be understood as subtle work."

(10-20-2020, 12:34 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

(10-20-2020, 12:34 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

Black Dragon Wrote:Compassion for dedicated STS beings is folly from a 3d perspective, so as long as I have to operate in a 3d environment, STS can do what they do best and "love" themselves

(10-25-2020, 12:17 PM)peregrine Wrote:

(10-20-2020, 12:34 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

It seems to me that your answer is sitting right there within your question, if you view it in the context of hierarchical levels of consciousness.  So, a person who has learned well to function at the level "self-as-social-being," but has not learned to function as "self-which-embraces-universal-love" will be in exactly the place you describe: socially functional, but not yet attuned to universal compassion, no?  Yes?


[quote-'Black Dragon']Compassion for dedicated STS beings is folly from a 3d perspective, so as long as I have to operate in a 3d environment, STS can do what they do best and "love" themselves

(10-20-2020, 12:34 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

(10-25-2020, 02:09 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: so if I refuse to be a "sheep", then that automatically puts me on the unintended path of being a "wolf". What if I think that whole polarity dynamic is stupid and perverse, and have no desire to be either? Not much of a "free will universe" if the only choices are predator, prey, or sinkhole. Polarity is for batteries, AKA, fuel sources used to run a machine. I am a person. I am not a fuel source used to run a machine, or a battery to power some stupid reality matrix that feeds off a misery dynamic.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2011/2011_0108.aspx Wrote:Those who work with the closed system are working under the assumption that the individual self is a closed system. However, the higher self resides within the open heart. It is closer to you than your own breathing or your own heartbeat. Now, because the higher self resting in the heart is under its beneficent influence, the preponderant inspiration from contact with the higher self shall have to do with love because choosing love over fear, choosing service to others over service to self, choosing radiance over self-defense, is that which polarizes an entity positively and enables that entity to be ready for graduation.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1994/1994_0612.aspx Wrote:(S channeling)

I am Q’uo, and I am now with this instrument. The practice of the daily meditation is in relation to worldly activity something of a retreat. It is where one goes for that kind of nourishment which is not of this world, and we cannot stress enough the importance of allowing this world to be imbued with a coloration which reflects all that is holy in the life of the spirit. There is a warm welcome that always awaits within the inner temple, and yet over and over again one finds within this inner temple doorways leading out, and, my brothers and my sisters, it is given to you as those who have volunteered to undergo this experience and this density that is the third that you shall go forth and that you shall bare your breast to this world. There is not a plan which we can recommend that will solve all problems you encounter here. There is not a solution which can be bought, studied, practiced and perfected. There is, however, available to you this one constant resource, and that is your intent to heal, to be healed, and to allow the effect of your healing to radiate outwards. This requires a kind of vulnerability which runs counter to practically everything one learns of the necessity for self-defense within the world.

The world does seem such a dangerous place and it does seem folly to expose one to it with the fullness of intent we are recommending. But it is just this folly which is at the core of the creation itself, for in the creation the Creator has exposed Itself in a way which is inconceivable and utterly unpredictable. Within the chaos of a seething creation the one steady factor is the intent. Your intent is a power which accrues to you as your birthright in the Creator, and it is through your intent that you participate, for better or for worse, in the drama that is the creation.

(10-25-2020, 03:39 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I think people in general struggle with the concept of having compassion for themselves, their relationship with their own self then is projected upon their perception of their other-self.

(10-25-2020, 02:09 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: In a way, I get you. In a way, what confuses me is that it just seems like...so if I refuse to be a "sheep", then that automatically puts me on the unintended path of being a "wolf". What if I think that whole polarity dynamic is stupid and perverse, and have no desire to be either? Not much of a "free will universe" if the only choices are predator, prey, or sinkhole. Polarity is for batteries, AKA, fuel sources used to run a machine. I am a person. I am not a fuel source used to run a machine, or a battery to power some stupid reality matrix that feeds off a misery dynamic.

I don't know. I'm so weary of the whole dynamic that something has to give. There has to be a better way of relating to this whole thing and so far, it's eluded me. I just know what I feel is wrong with the creation and the ways in which I don't want to relate to it, but I have yet to find a constructive alternative.

(10-20-2020, 12:34 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: People who are not negatively polarized, who sometimes believe themselves to be religious or constructive members of society, seem to still struggle with the concept of compassion for other-selves.

They dislike a large range of people: the poor, immigrants, other race groups, people who identify as LGBTIQ+, the elderly... the list could go on and on. And of course the other major group is women- we seem to not be liked as a group by a lot of men and even some other women.

It seems like it's really difficult for some humans to consider that other-selves are as worthy of thought or respect. Even though we have some voices on this planet that are loudly and proudly shouting that compassion is important, learning about and assisting other-selves is important, we still have such a large group of people blissfully unaware that compassion is real thing.

(10-25-2020, 02:09 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: I don't know. I'm so weary of the whole dynamic that something has to give. There has to be a better way of relating to this whole thing and so far, it's eluded me. I just know what I feel is wrong with the creation and the ways in which I don't want to relate to it, but I have yet to find a constructive alternative.

(10-27-2020, 06:41 PM)Glow Wrote: Most people aren’t strong enough to stay soft hearted in a generally cold, some what destructive to hearts world.

Open heart is potentially painful, so only the strongest can stay that way.

Quo February 22, 2020 Wrote:When we come to the green energy center, we are focused then upon the unconditional love which each entity has for all entities within the creation, for at this point the entity is the creator in miniature, shall we say, and feels the love of the One Infinite Creator for all of the creation. This love of the creation then is reflected in some kind of a challenge, shall we say, that asks of this entity so penetrating green ray or the heart energy center to be able to love that which seems unlovable. This type of an initiation is that which then allows the seeker to look within itself to find the qualities of the unlovable being within itself that are stopping it from being able to so love this entity.

When this is accomplished, then there are various other types of initiations that would expand upon this basic concept of being able to love that which is beyond oneself, that which is not understandable, that which seems to be difficult, shall we say.

Quo January 4, 2020 Wrote:Gary: I have a couple of quick follow-ups to that question, thank you so much Q’uo. One is about what causes or contributes to this sinkhole of indifference. It seems like you were saying habituation is one primary cause—it’s just what entities are used to over who knows how many incarnations and planets. I think another is the diversity of planetary origins on this planet. Are there any other significant contributing factors to why so many are in a sinkhole of indifference?

Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my brother. Again, we appreciate your analysis of the situation for many of these entities have had these types of experiences upon other planetary influences where they were, shall we say, not energetically processing catalyst in a conscious manner at any time during the incarnation, so that the possibility of such processing was removed from their concept of how the life might be lived and enhanced.

The sowing of indifference, then, began as a seeding of consciousness that produced the mistaken conclusion that the present moment experience was all that was available. Thus, the movement beyond the present moment experience was not sought as an alternative to existing within that moment self-created by entities that had little success in seeing the greater view of the life experience.

These entities also had little contact, therefore, with their greater being, their higher self or unconscious mind so that there was little chance that pre-incarnative choices could be made more clearly observable or perceived by these entities. Thus, by not being able or willing to move beyond the present moment self-constructed, they found themselves within a bind in which the mind was unable to see any further than the imagine of the self that had been projected by time and experience in previous incarnations that had carried forth into the present incarnation in each instance. Thus, there was the slowing of any forward movement so that the entities began in a metaphysical sense to go round and round instead of moving outside of the circle, outside of the previous conception of the self, and begin to allow perceptions of all kinds to expand into greater and greater views of the self, other selves, and the world around all.

Therefore, these entities have experienced a kind of drudgery or dragging of energies that are available to all in the beginning of each third-density experience.

It is difficult to say precisely how the beginning of such dragging or drudgery occurs within the beginning third-density experience, for all, at that point, have some desire to move forward. There is, within each entity, a kind of spark of intuition and inspiration that each begins the third-density experience with at some point.

As this spark is not fed and the fire begins to dwindle, then, there is this type of energy dragging and dissipating that, in the metaphysical sense, causes the slowing of the progress until it becomes as if no progress can be made.

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We find that the gravity well of indifference is that which operates upon the spiritual level, much as you might say peer pressure operates socially upon entities within a third-density environment where the reproduction of behaviors and thoughts of entities surround one seems to be the best way to proceed; for the third-density entity begins with the desire to be appreciated and valued by those about it, and instead of initiating its own behavior, will then reproduce the behavior that it perceives being exhibited by those that are within its evidence reach or realm of experience.

Black Dragon Wrote:Here's where paradox comes into play; if you are STO, you value love, compassion, and innocence, and would wish to protect those things. One who is STO would wish to protect that which is innocent from that which is not-they would want to be of service to those who would BE hurt by those who want to hurt. Those who are truly STO would be tired of all the misery that's been going on for endless cycles on this planet. You know that news story years back where the 15 year old girl gets gang raped in the ally way and there's tons of people just watching? No thanks, I'd rather not just be a bystander watching the show. Those who wish to be STS and hurt others put themselves on that wavelength. They match themselves to whatever retribution comes their way, so yes, they "started it", and yes, they "deserve it"-and that goes all the way up the density ladder. Manipulating a developing 3d species "free will" in underhanded ways should not exempt an individual being, group, or SMC from karma like some fucking stupid technical loophole-they will have to pay eventually. Their intent is evil and it is intent which makes karma, not exploiting some loophole because the logos is stupid and mechanistic and amoral, like some dumb computer prone to being hacked and exploited. They are the opposition-they are not to be babied and pussy-footed around. We don't have to be kind to them-they can take care of themselves. That's what they are all about, being tough and taking care of them fucking selves. They don't need our love-let the creator love them and sort them out when we're through with 'em. They are to be overcome. A puzzle is something meant to be solved, as is the question of evil. If I choose to solve the puzzle rather than leave it in the box unassembled, does that make me an anti-puzzle bigot?

Compassion for dedicated STS beings is folly from a 3d perspective, so as long as I have to operate in a 3d environment, STS can do what they do best and "love" themselves

(10-27-2020, 06:41 PM)Glow Wrote: Had this discussion with a client today.

He asked whether I think moral strength is more difficult to build or physical strength.

I changed the question a bit but told him I think the hardest strength to build is the open heart. Kindness compassion ect.

This client has been a criminal defence attorney for 3 decades but some how managed it.
I told him so. I saw tears in his eyes over his mask so I know he felt seen. Every dealing he has with anyone is gratitude, gentleness, free of judgement and full of compassionate patience and understanding.

He has said repeatedly that of every defendant even the ones who did comit the crimes only in one case was the person “bad”. The rest just had unfortunate situations that led them to their seat in the court room.

Most people aren’t strong enough to stay soft hearted in a generally cold, some what destructive to hearts world.

Open heart is potentially painful, so only the strongest can stay that way.

The weakest would be the ones who armour up the most with their own cold/cruelty.
Not a judgement to say it’s weakness, they just haven’t become strong yet. Like all growth it takes work, some work on other things.

(10-28-2020, 11:27 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: That's an interesting observation. Some of us have some spiritual "memory" of a better way of being that is ingrained into our being, and others find that cruelty "protects" them. It would be interesting to dissect the type of personality that has no feeling for spiritual life or compassion but lives and thrives in a self-centered existence (not the same as an STS entity).