A proposal

[GentleReckoning]

I would say that many on the forums are channeling Ra or other very high-vibrational guides through their reality, and have perhaps looked at the outcomes of the Ra material and L/L Research to empower their discernment of the material. Because the energies and stories that flow through the material are just as telling as the data is itself. Once key concepts are accepted and integrated from the material, the seeking becomes highly internalized.

To this day, I can call on Ra personally, and then just enjoy the energies of a very attractive thought-form. Also, based on my independent analysis, based on the question, Ra resonated with the group, with our sun, and with the center of our galaxy. And really, I think we all do that based on our intentions and purity from moment to moment. So I brazenly open myself to our prime logos as it were. (all that that consciousness has told me is that the galaxy is genuinely pretty happy, and that there is great potential for service on Earth) A healer's paradise as it were.

Besides, if you must lean on another to support yourself, have you really learned, have you really progressed? You yourself are an authority in this world. You yourself have experiences independent of everyone else. If you do not let go of the need to base your beliefs on the authority of another, then you will not learn beyond what that other teaches.

I simply desire others that can view the Ra material not as TRUTH, THE BIBLE, or anything like that, but as some of the finest food for thought on Earth. And that a complete meal encompasses wisdom from all sources.

[Diana]

I have to agree with Jade that in my recent return to the forum there seems to be a lot of purposely distorted views of the material, which is quite obvious to tell because there is not even an attempt to use www.lawofone.info and search for the relevant passages; instead there seems more of the desire to just post stream of consciousness thoughts without significant care for what the material says on the subject.

Is it a prerequisite to follow the material and refer to passages of it? I have read the first 2 books. I bought the other 3 but have not read them yet. I do not scour the website and read and reread like a Christian does the bible. I don't need to keep referring to someone else's words or any channeled material to make up my mind about things or to discuss topics. I resonate with the Ra Material. I don't resonate with Q'uo for the most part. Does that make me a bad member?

If all the members here just revolved around one doctrine, and took Ra's words as the ultimate truth, then what?

If I, not being a follower, even of the Law of One or Ra or any other philosophy, do not really belong in this place because members should pivot around one philosophy or doctrine, then so be it. I thought it was enough to be interested in the material. I wasn't aware one had to take it as dogma.

[xise]

I have to agree with Jade that in my recent return to the forum there seems to be a lot of purposely distorted views of the material, which is quite obvious to tell because there is not even an attempt to use www.lawofone.info and search for the relevant passages; instead there seems more of the desire to just post stream of consciousness thoughts without significant care for what the material says on the subject.

Is it a prerequisite to follow the material and refer to passages of it? I have read the first 2 books. I bought the other 3 but have not read them yet. I do not scour the website and read and reread like a Christian does the bible. I don't need to keep referring to someone else's words or any channeled material to make up my mind about things or to discuss topics. I resonate with the Ra Material. I don't resonate with Q'uo for the most part. Does that make me a bad member?

If all the members here just revolved around one doctrine, and took Ra's words as the ultimate truth, then what?

If I, not being a follower, even of the Law of One or Ra or any other philosophy, do not really belong in this place because members should pivot around one philosophy or doctrine, then so be it. I thought it was enough to be interested in the material. I wasn't aware one had to take it as dogma.

Not sure where we came to anyone being a bad member, but I am just making an observation: I've recently returned in the past three months. The forum discussion several years ago - we're talking 3-4 years - I observed was much more grounded in the material. My observation may be inaccurate, as it's only a small snapshot in time, and I definitely didn't go over all the posts made in this three month period.

And I think I put a judgmental tone on my last post for which I'm sorry for; I'm still working on integrating catalyst regarding those who consciously claim to "want to heal" or "want to learn" (or teach) but whose true desire seems to be more to explore distortion or confusion (definitely not you Diana). It's definitely a long-standing lesson of mine.

[Diana]

Not sure where we came to anyone being a bad member, but I am just making an observation: I've recently returned in the past three months. The forum discussion several years ago - we're talking 3-4 years - I observed was much more grounded in the material. My observation may be inaccurate, as it's only a small snapshot in time, and I definitely didn't go over all the posts made in this three month period.

And I think I put a judgmental tone on my last post for which I'm sorry for; I'm still working on integrating catalyst regarding those who consciously claim to "want to heal" or "want to learn" (or teach) but whose true desire seems to be more to explore distortion or confusion (definitely not you Diana). It's definitely a long-standing lesson of mine.

No need to apologize. And I was talking generally, not directly at you. Though this is difficult to discern with words on a screen without a ton of genuflecting. It was not my intention to make you feel badly.

I agree the forum has changed a lot. I totally miss some of the old (not in years) members who used to be here.

[Night Owl]

Edit: removed previous content. no longer in context, I was trying to keep up while working and mixed up the order of 2 post while going too fast. My bad. Makes sense now.

You bring up a good point though I also think that unless the question specifically ask what is the opinion of Ra is, it is always best to talk about the self in order to learn and grow. Relying always on external for knowledge isn't always a good idea. This is why I'm not a huge fan of quoting, and find that often it doesn't serve me even if properly done. The LOO gives all the proper concepts and background so that we can develop on our own. This is how I see the LOO, just amazing food for thoughts.

[YinYang]

It's funny, I remember back in the day that the forum was dominated by the "instant harvest / 2012" crowd. You might as well have slapped a countdown clock in the corner... I eventually lost interest and just gave up (loooong before the "rapture" :-), it was like farting against thunder. I realised the will to believe can be so strong, that no evidence or argument to the contrary can make any difference. I still remember where I was driving when I realised late in the afternoon that it was 21 December 2012, and my mind immediately went to the forum, thinking to myself there must be quite a bit of disillusionment.

I was also curious to see if Leon Festinger's theory was right in his book When Prophecy Fails, how people will react, so a couple of days later I checked in and found Yossarin's thread, where he or she was so disillusioned, and I was just amazed to see that Leon Festinger was right. He's the psychologist who coined the term cognitive dissonance.

[sjel]

Sjel made his version of this post, without anyone's permission, and it was so beyond anything that would ever be appropriate to post on this forum, that when I saw another thread that was the same idea, I was probably a bit pricklier than GR's tone alone asked for. But, based on the guidelines of the forum, I do not think this is an appropriate "exercise" given our intentions as a group.

Genuinely, I wanted to see what would happen. I wondered if people would see the absolute lack of intention behind the words, and see the amused aloofness typing them, or if they would just read the words and ignore the spirit of them. Notice I dropped it pretty quickly! I got the reaction, I learned from it.

Another thing is that I have started seeing words, in any form, verbal or typed, as literally just words. No inherent meaning whatsoever!! Basically I think you (general you) should be able to read two sentences side-to-side, one of them abusive, one of them supportive, and realize literally, that you personally applied meaning to the words.

There are absolutely thousands, tens of thousands maybe, of personally "triggering" words and written concepts that I have applied this concept to in recent weeks. I have gone through a staggering amount of events, concepts, belief systems and COMPLETELY removed inherent emotional content from them!! The one I'm working on now is reading evangelist Christian pamphlets. It is so hard for me to see through the words and into the Creator that writes everything, that I literally seek such things out now.

I was of course too rash in trying to advocate this method of catalyst work before I even have worked it out myself :)

But honestly, I think that reactions are hilarious. I'm starting to see the underlying absurdity of... everything. Right now the biggest thing for me is reactions. Reactions are like firing off a big ol' rocket with a string attached, and we grab on to the string with all of our strength. WHY?!?! Why would we do that?

THEREFORE I am actively seeking out things that generate extreme reactions in myself (aaand others... *grins mischievously*), specifically to gain mastery over greater and greater parts of myself. Maybe it's extreme to invite others to do the same. But I don't see it as extreme anymore. I see it as pure catalyst. And it's starting to be really, really fun.

Maybe if you started seeing your own reactions to things as absurd and amusing, they would drop away much quicker!!

[Glow]

Sjel made his version of this post, without anyone's permission, and it was so beyond anything that would ever be appropriate to post on this forum, that when I saw another thread that was the same idea, I was probably a bit pricklier than GR's tone alone asked for. But, based on the guidelines of the forum, I do not think this is an appropriate "exercise" given our intentions as a group.

Genuinely, I wanted to see what would happen. I wondered if people would see the absolute lack of intention behind the words, and see the amused aloofness typing them, or if they would just read the words and ignore the spirit of them. Notice I dropped it pretty quickly! I got the reaction, I learned from it.

Another thing is that I have started seeing words, in any form, verbal or typed, as literally just words. No inherent meaning whatsoever!! Basically I think you (general you) should be able to read two sentences side-to-side, one of them abusive, one of them supportive, and realize literally, that you personally applied meaning to the words.

There are absolutely thousands, tens of thousands maybe, of personally "triggering" words and written concepts that I have applied this concept to in recent weeks. I have gone through a staggering amount of events, concepts, belief systems and COMPLETELY removed inherent emotional content from them!! The one I'm working on now is reading evangelist Christian pamphlets. It is so hard for me to see through the words and into the Creator that writes everything, that I literally seek such things out now.

I was of course too rash in trying to advocate this method of catalyst work before I even have worked it out myself

But honestly, I think that reactions are hilarious. I'm starting to see the underlying absurdity of... everything. Right now the biggest thing for me is reactions. Reactions are like firing off a big ol' rocket with a string attached, and we grab on to the string with all of our strength. WHY?!?! Why would we do that?

THEREFORE I am actively seeking out things that generate extreme reactions in myself (aaand others... *grins mischievously*), specifically to gain mastery over greater and greater parts of myself. Maybe it's extreme to invite others to do the same. But I don't see it as extreme anymore. I see it as pure catalyst. And it's starting to be really, really fun.

Maybe if you started seeing your own reactions to things as absurd and amusing, they would drop away much quicker!!

It's cool you want to read deeper than words but I think expecting others to do the same and try to see if you get a reaction is kind of selfish.

Lots of people are hurting in this world no need to go around seeing if you can poke a wound. Or even expecting someone to want or accept your catalyst is kind of control based. Maybe you were not intending to do it in a way that would poke at wounds I don't know. Doesn't sound like you.

The other thing though is that we use launguage in an attempt to communicate clearly. Of course some use it to manipulate but it's nice when all our intentions are clear honest communication not trickery.

[sjel]

It's cool you want to read deeper than words but I think expecting others to do the same and try to see if you get a reaction is kind of selfish.

Lots of people are hurting in this world no need to go around seeing if you can poke a wound. Or even expecting someone to want or accept your catalyst is kind of control based. Maybe you were not intending to do it in a way that would poke at wounds I don't know. Doesn't sound like you.

The other thing though is that we use launguage in an attempt to communicate clearly. Of course some use it to manipulate but it's nice when all our intentions are clear honest communication not trickery.

You're right. Already I am feeling very deeply the repercussions of this sort of philosophy.

In any case I think this thread is indicative of the growing pains of the forum

[sjel]

I rescind my previous bristly position, and I apologize for the recent posts. There are better ways to evoke reactions from people - namely, by not specifically seeking to evoke reactions! I'm glad I explored that avenue of approach, because now I am certain beyond a doubt that it is highly unpleasant for my service-to-others soul. And of course unpleasant, in far-reaching ways, to the recipients of those intentions.

[Diana]

It's funny, I remember back in the day that the forum was dominated by the "instant harvest / 2012" crowd. You might as well have slapped a countdown clock in the corner... I eventually lost interest and just gave up (loooong before the "rapture" :-), it was like farting against thunder. I realised the will to believe can be so strong, that no evidence or argument to the contrary can make any difference. I still remember where I was driving when I realised late in the afternoon that it was 21 December 2012, and my mind immediately went to the forum, thinking to myself there must be quite a bit of disillusionment.

I was also curious to see if Leon Festinger's theory was right in his book When Prophecy Fails, how people will react, so a couple of days later I checked in and found Yossarin's thread, where he or she was so disillusioned, and I was just amazed to see that Leon Festinger was right. He's the psychologist who coined the term cognitive dissonance.

While some were interested in the 2012 phenomenon, I don't agree that it dominated this forum. And among the members who posted and threads which did canvass this subject, I'm sure they weren't all ridiculous as you seem to suggest. It's insulting to say what you have above, as though the members here were idiots but you knew better. And here we are in a thread arguing the merits of someone wanting to play an STS game, everyone worried that it might cause hurt, and (not so) subtle insults such as this one just whiz by.

The many intelligent and compassionate people who were here and left this forum, didn't just skulk off because they weren't raptured.

[GentleReckoning]

The 2012 phenomenon was an actual harvest of sorts. If people had enough positive karma, they did just gravitate towards the highest level of 'abundance' that they could. And if they don't learn how to process catalyst or truly help others, they'll mostly stay there. It's funny/sad but many of the spiritual teachers you see today just circle around the same topics with little actual growth or change on their own part. Or they followed a methodology that got results without wisdom (very common).

I find the LOO traps people in their shells essentially and if they desire to see their desires on the face of the world in any significant way they must deal with a very large amount of their unprocessed catalyst (shadow).

And then they're rejected from the community ensuring that they walk a lonely path during this process. It's the main reason that I believe that the LOO is a highly negative offering. And not because Ra was negative, but because the group felt they had touched the face of God, and thirsted after greater and greater contact. And because the teachings regarding catalyst were not meaningfully practiced they quickly reached a point where the group, and the contact was destroyed with little actual progress in wisdom. Of the real world sort. So as it is, the LOO creates ineffectual magicians.

In my own path, I've often felt that once the core concepts regarding processing reality were understood that my guides simply orchestrated the worst in just about every situation knowing that the subtle is subservient to the gross+soul. And so it's funny, but I offer teaching that removes the concept of the negative from reality completely. And it appears that this is the teaching that people fear the most.

In truth it is simply the true balancing of desire and fear. The unspoken assumption is that if desire is embraced, that it will destroy the face of God, and on the flip side that if God is embraced that he will destroy the face of desire. That you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Glow]

The 2012 phenomenon was an actual harvest of sorts. If people had enough positive karma, they did just gravitate towards the highest level of 'abundance' that they could. And if they don't learn how to process catalyst or truly help others, they'll mostly stay there. It's funny/sad but many of the spiritual teachers you see today just circle around the same topics with little actual growth or change on their own part. Or they followed a methodology that got results without wisdom (very common).

I find the LOO traps people in their shells essentially and if they desire to see their desires on the face of the world in any significant way they must deal with a very large amount of their unprocessed catalyst (shadow).

And then they're rejected from the community ensuring that they walk a lonely path during this process. It's the main reason that I believe that the LOO is a highly negative offering. And not because Ra was negative, but because the group felt they had touched the face of God, and thirsted after greater and greater contact. And because the teachings regarding catalyst were not meaningfully practiced they quickly reached a point where the group, and the contact was destroyed with little actual progress in wisdom. Of the real world sort. So as it is, the LOO creates ineffectual magicians.

In my own path, I've often felt that once the core concepts regarding processing reality were understood that my guides simply orchestrated the worst in just about every situation knowing that the subtle is subservient to the gross+soul. And so it's funny, but I offer teaching that removes the concept of the negative from reality completely. And it appears that this is the teaching that people fear the most.

In truth it is simply the true balancing of desire and fear. The unspoken assumption is that if desire is embraced, that it will destroy the face of God, and on the flip side that if God is embraced that he will destroy the face of desire. That you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Dude I hope you don't feel rejected by the community. We are all allowed to go on whims and explore. Still have a home here.

I just think for the most part we are saying nah we aren't interested in exploring that specific thing with you. Nor is this the best place for it. There are other avenues.
That's not the same as being rejected, that's yours to explore but it doesn't mean it's ours. Walk the path we share together other stuff we explore elsewhere.

[Aion]

The 2012 phenomenon was an actual harvest of sorts. If people had enough positive karma, they did just gravitate towards the highest level of 'abundance' that they could. And if they don't learn how to process catalyst or truly help others, they'll mostly stay there. It's funny/sad but many of the spiritual teachers you see today just circle around the same topics with little actual growth or change on their own part. Or they followed a methodology that got results without wisdom (very common).

I find the LOO traps people in their shells essentially and if they desire to see their desires on the face of the world in any significant way they must deal with a very large amount of their unprocessed catalyst (shadow).

And then they're rejected from the community ensuring that they walk a lonely path during this process. It's the main reason that I believe that the LOO is a highly negative offering. And not because Ra was negative, but because the group felt they had touched the face of God, and thirsted after greater and greater contact. And because the teachings regarding catalyst were not meaningfully practiced they quickly reached a point where the group, and the contact was destroyed with little actual progress in wisdom. Of the real world sort. So as it is, the LOO creates ineffectual magicians.

In my own path, I've often felt that once the core concepts regarding processing reality were understood that my guides simply orchestrated the worst in just about every situation knowing that the subtle is subservient to the gross+soul. And so it's funny, but I offer teaching that removes the concept of the negative from reality completely. And it appears that this is the teaching that people fear the most.

In truth it is simply the true balancing of desire and fear. The unspoken assumption is that if desire is embraced, that it will destroy the face of God, and on the flip side that if God is embraced that he will destroy the face of desire. That you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Sounds to me like a choice, no?

[GentleReckoning]

It hasn't at any point felt like a choice that I in any kind of awareness made. Simply random thought and impulse. So entirely subtle energy. I blame God.

[Aion]

I have always been fascinated by the concept of 'randomness'. At one point I began to think that random is only ever a matter of limited perspective. I still think that's true, but I embrace it more for what it is. That being said, we still respond to random, but then, how many of our responses are random?

I will say though that I don't really disagree with your assessment. There is a twist in the energy of the material that sends people spiraling. I find myself deferring to it less and less as time goes on because while it has some interesting concepts I find it too unfocused for my own purposes. There is nothing in it I have not seen elsewhere and at this point it appears as a hodge-podge conversation with an entity on sprawling topics. Lots of beautiful words but a lot of room for interpretation. The fact that this is supposedly 'justified' by Ra's own explanation of themselves, I am not entirely convinced. I admit, I have had different experiences that conflict with the material and I do not really believe this 'Ra' is in actuality the same as the Egyptian deity.

[YinYang]

While some were interested in the 2012 phenomenon, I don't agree that it dominated this forum. And among the members who posted and threads which did canvass this subject, I'm sure they weren't all ridiculous as you seem to suggest. It's insulting to say what you have above, as though the members here were idiots but you knew better. And here we are in a thread arguing the merits of someone wanting to play an STS game, everyone worried that it might cause hurt, and (not so) subtle insults such as this one just whiz by.

The many intelligent and compassionate people who were here and left this forum, didn't just skulk off because they weren't raptured.

You send mixed messages, Diane...

It might mean there is a predilection here to be "nice" as opposed to honest, engendering sugar-coating or self-censorship to a debilitating degree.

I realise I have pushed some of your buttons in the past with my honesty, first with veganism, then Castenada... Maybe with the 2012 business as well :-) I guess I just felt like balancing your (not so) subtle stabs at the current participation here, which I find very refreshing and enlightening at times!

Here's "a proposal", to borrow from the thread title. Let's bury the hatchet and just relax and be happy, I'm just not in the mood for any antagonism.

[Aion]

I have to agree with Jade that in my recent return to the forum there seems to be a lot of purposely distorted views of the material, which is quite obvious to tell because there is not even an attempt to use www.lawofone.info and search for the relevant passages; instead there seems more of the desire to just post stream of consciousness thoughts without significant care for what the material says on the subject.

Is it a prerequisite to follow the material and refer to passages of it? I have read the first 2 books. I bought the other 3 but have not read them yet. I do not scour the website and read and reread like a Christian does the bible. I don't need to keep referring to someone else's words or any channeled material to make up my mind about things or to discuss topics. I resonate with the Ra Material. I don't resonate with Q'uo for the most part. Does that make me a bad member?

If all the members here just revolved around one doctrine, and took Ra's words as the ultimate truth, then what?

If I, not being a follower, even of the Law of One or Ra or any other philosophy, do not really belong in this place because members should pivot around one philosophy or doctrine, then so be it. I thought it was enough to be interested in the material. I wasn't aware one had to take it as dogma.

Yeah, I think it's important to realize the whole thing is a transcription of a conversation. It wasn't 'written' in the usual sense, but is more like sitting in on a discussion. I find the way Ra words things to be beautiful at times and relevant, but I also find the philosophy severely wanting in details and that in general pretty much everyone 'fills in the gaps' in their own way.

The idea of taking anybody's words as truth is somewhat bizarre to me, since the truth is so far beyond language in and of itself. At best we are seeing rough approximation of realities that we can imagine and to some degree experience, but I don't find the language of the material extensive enough at all for the depth of exploration. At least it is a great advertisement. Come check out all these layers of the mind! See the unity in all things! Balance, create, enjoy!

That being said, there is scant discussion on the system of Tarot that is expressed in the material and I admit I haven't even studied it that much, so there is likely more food for thought in there, but again, the general 'style' of the teaching seems to be 'come to your own conclusions'. Thus, outside of the proclamation of Unity and the Law of One itself I find the value in the material in 'Ra's particularly unique prose which sometimes captures large ideas in small poetic snippets. There is no doubt there is genius there, but I think there is also a lot of vagueness and a certain tight-lippedness.

[GentleReckoning]

I recently began a re-examination of the Ra material, and there was soooooooo much contact from the other side related to even touching the material. Is there even any other channeled material that has so much attention placed on it?

(this would indicate that Ra is very attractive, as when I focus on embodying Ra, I find myself drawn towards realities where I learn to rap. Kind of off-beat, but considering the sexual confusion prevalent on Earth, our Sol may be a very sexy, naughty star)

[Aion]

I recently began a re-examination of the Ra material, and there was soooooooo much contact from the other side related to even touching the material. Is there even any other channeled material that has so much attention placed on it?

(this would indicate that Ra is very attractive, as when I focus on embodying Ra, I find myself drawn towards realities where I learn to rap. Kind of off-beat, but considering the sexual confusion prevalent on Earth, our Sol may be a very sexy, naughty star)

Well if you're counting holy books then the Bible (Old Testament) and the Quran are pretty high up there.

[isis]

I blame God.

I blame God on everything.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I find the LOO traps people in their shells essentially and if they desire to see their desires on the face of the world in any significant way they must deal with a very large amount of their unprocessed catalyst (shadow).

And then they're rejected from the community ensuring that they walk a lonely path during this process.

The intention of your original post isn’t really clear for me. It seemed to me that you were going to try to embody a negative philosophy to help others reflect? Or to help yourself reflect? I didn’t quite grasp it.

However, regarding your statement here, there is some sadness and truth in what you say.

But – and I say this as an opinion, from personal experience, and not from callousness – shadow work is innately and necessarily a lonely path. Once we realize that there is a wealth of shadow within our unconscious that we have yet to become conscious of and process, the burden of responsibility can only be placed squarely on our own shoulders. That’s not to say a community cannot offer support and love, but is it fair to ask others to carry our burden for us? Upon the realization that we have shadow work to do, we should also realize that we’ve been unconsciously asking people to do this for a long time.

Also with this might come the realization that others are also unconsciously asking us to carry some burdens for them, by their projections on to us. In my eyes, this helps to bring context to disharmony. We choose what to do once we are equipped with this knowledge. It is still our responsibility to deal with how people approach us.

Self-work is necessarily on the self. We can hope that other people will do their best to deal with theirs while we deal with ours. There can certainly be some teacher/student, healer/patient relationships established where methods of projection and roll play can be effective, but it requires an extreme depth of consent and intimacy with individuals.

It seems to me that shadow work should be seeing how we are already, unconsciously playing less-desired roles and already, unconsciously asking others to be our punching bags, then dealing with that – instead of seeking more punching bags. One doesn’t need to literally embody a negative adept in order to discover the negativity within, and others don’t need a friend to embody negativity in order to experience negative catalyst.

That’s not to say that there aren’t methods we can implement to help the process. Creativity, art, journaling, writing, dream-work, active imagination, self-therapy, etc. – all of these can be used to exaggerate, accentuate, and explore negative distortions to help us heal and accept them without risk of hurting others or increasing their distortions in the process.

Regarding people feeling rejected from the forum: there is an eternal struggle inside of me regarding how people may feel rejected from the community. No community will feel welcoming to all individuals. It would be amazing if everyone could feel welcomed on Bring4th. But it’s just a matter of fact that some people will always act in ways that make others feel unwelcome. What you are trying to do with this thread (I think, since I’m not clear on your intentions) would make others feel unwelcome.

There’s a long essay about it here: https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=11932

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There seems to be a constant theme on Bring4th about this extreme and pressing need to accept negativity and shadow, as if that is something that is uniquely lacking on Bring4th. I can understand frustration with what one might perceive as a denial or a “lack of progress,” especially when the community is focused around a material that espouses acceptance as a high ideal. I think this frustration can cause people to try to push boundaries and test just how deep the acceptance waters go.

But isn’t this world difficult enough already? Isn’t there enough catalyst and suffering in our lives outside of Bring4th for us to grow from? There is an embarrassment of riches when it comes to catalyst in this world. If we see others having trouble accepting something, is generating more of that thing really the best way to help them?

I know – it is inevitable that any gathering of people will generate catalyst. When we have a certain idea of what a community like Bring4th should be like, we will ultimately end up with dissatisfaction, and express that dissatisfaction, consciously or unconsciously, in many different ways.

We can all do better at handling our own s*** and helping people with handling their s***. That journey never ends, not in this density anyways. We’re all on infinitely unique paths and it can be hard to understand what others are trying to deal with. My request to all would be that if one sees what they feel is a potential solution for some perceived ills of the forum, do your best to figure out what your perception and your solution say about you on your own journey.

There is such a variety of needs, desires, opinions, and journeys here. It is literally impossible to accommodate them all. I think it would go a long way for us to consider, if we are hoping to serve the community or the members in a certain way, whether or not that service is being requested or desired.

And also ask ourselves if how we offer ourselves to the community is in accordance and respectful to the intent of these forums. People come here for different reasons, but Bring4th was created and is maintained with a purpose and intent. We'll never meet any ideal of what this community was intended to be, but if members consciously reflected on the original desire as they interact, it could help manifest that desire.

Love to all.

[Diana]

You send mixed messages, Diane…

Quite possible, as we are not simple beings and these are only words on a page.

And by the way, my name is Diana.

I realise I have pushed some of your buttons in the past with my honesty, first with veganism, then Castenada... Maybe with the 2012 business as well :-) I guess I just felt like balancing your (not so) subtle stabs at the current participation here, which I find very refreshing and enlightening at times!

You don't have that much power over me. I just like truth. And I like different perspectives to widen awareness.

Here's "a proposal", to borrow from the thread title. Let's bury the hatchet and just relax and be happy, I'm just not in the mood for any antagonism.

There is no hatchet to bury. Things are fine. I won't guarantee I will always be happy though.

[YinYang]

I like truth too! We should be getting along just fine then! :-)

In the spirit of truth, I don't use power over anyone - ever - it contradicts with my choice.

In the words of Ra, "all is well".

[GentleReckoning]

Austin~ Insightful post.

I'm as balanced as I can be. To spiritual groups, I come across as negative. To people that are negative I come across as highly intelligent and secure, thus to be feared.

I simply decided to throw the shadow at the community to move things along a little faster.

Also, the part of the LOO describing the negatives are my favorites. There's apparently an incarnate negative sixth density entity running around Earth for no discernible reason (probably looking for looooove)? That's me! Two Ra wanderers that want to start a holy war? Awesome story. Let's get it going. I'm bored.

[Cainite]

Austin~ Insightful post.

I'm as balanced as I can be. To spiritual groups, I come across as negative. To people that are negative I come across as highly intelligent and secure, thus to be feared.

I simply decided to throw the shadow at the community to move things along a little faster.

Also, the part of the LOO describing the negatives are my favorites. There's apparently an incarnate negative sixth density entity running around Earth for no discernible reason (probably looking for looooove)? That's me! Two Ra wanderers that want to start a holy war? Awesome story. Let's get it going. I'm bored.

You don't seem to be negative. I get the boredom.. the positive path may appear uninteresting and predictable.
And the negative path sounds fun! it's all games and play! negative adepts know that they're in a game and follow certain rules to not mess up the game since there's no checkpoint unlike in video games.

But honestly, I don't think one is always as balanced as he thinks he is.

[Cainite]

Austin~ Insightful post.

I'm as balanced as I can be. To spiritual groups, I come across as negative. To people that are negative I come across as highly intelligent and secure, thus to be feared.

I simply decided to throw the shadow at the community to move things along a little faster.

Also, the part of the LOO describing the negatives are my favorites. There's apparently an incarnate negative sixth density entity running around Earth for no discernible reason (probably looking for looooove)? That's me! Two Ra wanderers that want to start a holy war? Awesome story. Let's get it going. I'm bored.

You don't seem to be negative. I get the boredom.. the positive path may appear uninteresting and predictable.
And the negative path sounds fun! it's all games and play! negative adepts know that they're in a game and follow certain rules to not mess up the game since there's no checkpoint unlike in video games.

But honestly, I don't think one is always as balanced as he thinks he is.

[GentleReckoning]

Service to self, and service to others are both necessary for there to be variety. If all are STO, then society regresses to the point of maximum enjoyment of life with minimal change. If all are STS, then there is maximum disconnection and conformity and there is great technological change.

If there are both, then societies stay separate, there is maximum variety, and maximum attraction to the 'earthly' experience.

[Aaron]

Austin~ Insightful post.

I'm as balanced as I can be. To spiritual groups, I come across as negative. To people that are negative I come across as highly intelligent and secure, thus to be feared.

I simply decided to throw the shadow at the community to move things along a little faster.

Also, the part of the LOO describing the negatives are my favorites. There's apparently an incarnate negative sixth density entity running around Earth for no discernible reason (probably looking for looooove)? That's me! Two Ra wanderers that want to start a holy war? Awesome story. Let's get it going. I'm bored.

Is your internal mental image of a balanced person someone who is "highly intelligent and secure, thus to be feared"?

To me, this is the spectrum of respect gained because of fear or respect gained because of love. This is self respect, whether or not others are reflecting it back. Positive entities, who are highly intelligent as well, respect self and other-selves out of love and because of love. The negative path is called the path of that which is not. It is based on a continually self-decaying perspective of lack. This necessitates power over others. When describing negatively polarizing souls on earth, Harald Kautz-Vella in his Youtube videos says the reason why negative souls play the power game is because they do not want to stand in their own self-responsibility. It takes great self-responsibility and humility to accept that which is, the whole of the self which one is, and to stand in one's own sovereign power as a co-Creator.