It is possible to force this planet into love.

[Adonai One]

One can create doctrine and force concepts onto people that clearly shows how inherently united, loving and hopeful this universe is. One could easily convince this world of love.

However, this is not the way if you believe that choice is what makes this universe beautiful.

The Confederation has given this planet much materially and spiritually but has never spelled out the secrets of this universe. Simple knowledge could bring this whole planet to peace.

Two beings may have done just this to Venus. Venis might be an anomaly for this reason.

[Alex Zachary]

Were you ever forced to love someone? They showed you how beautiful and humble they were, how willing and eager to give you everything. But could you, when it was forced upon you?

[Unbound]

There is a big difference between believing in a concept of love and the actual experience of love, imo. The problem with such an approach is that there would be rampant ideas of love and likely little actual experience as love cannot be indoctrinated.

[michael430]

[deleted]

[Fang]

What "simple knowledge" could bring this planet to peace?

There is a big difference between believing in a concept of love and the actual experience of love

indeed; noumenon=! phenomenon
this should recognized as a universal principle and not particular to the context of this discussion.

[Rhayader]

Why would we want a 3d planet to be at 100% peace?

[Namaste]

Why would we want a 3d planet to be at 100% peace?

Bingo.

All is valid. 3D is the gateway/choice for further exploration of polarity (+ or -). Nothing else.

[Spaced]

You can't change someone's mind, you can only offer them new ideas and allow them to change their own mind. Love can't be forced, any attempt towards such ends would not be espousing unconditional love but instead a distorted and conditional love and would result in a loss of polarity for all involved (except perhaps those on top who would polarize negatively).

As for the two wanderers on Venus, I got the idea that their overabundance of 5th density wisdom clashed with the heavy distortion towards compassion present on the planet at the time resulting in what Ra referred to as Holy War, which might have served as a sort of 'zen bop' on the head to illustrate the dangers of fool's compassion. I don't believe that is a particularly novel or unique happening (though it is interesting that such efforts were enough to polarize negatively, as Ra said on our planet they would have been considered ruthless despots and nothing more, something we have in abundance )

89.31 Questioner: What techniques did the two negatively harvested entities use for negative polarization on such a positively polarized planet?

Ra: I am Ra. The technique of control over others and domination unto the physical death was used in both cases. Upon a planetary influence much unused to slaughter these entities were able to polarize by this means. Upon your third-density environment at the time of your experiencing such entities would merely be considered, shall we say, ruthless despots which waged the holy war.

[reeay]

You're assuming here that ideas and concepts are commodities that can be implanted into people. It may be impressed upon people, who adopt them based on their own understanding of the world. Forcing beliefs is therefore not possible bc you cannot put those beliefs inside their head or anywhere. You can manipulate people into believing it by framing it in ways that people may digest.

[Adonai One]

I have one thing left to say: Indoctrination is what most of this planet has known in terms of "education." I remain to believe one can indoctrinate truth.

Most of this planet's "beliefs" are very well forced.

---

There is a big difference between believing in a concept of love and the actual experience of love, imo. The problem with such an approach is that there would be rampant ideas of love and likely little actual experience as love cannot be indoctrinated.

I disagree with the most respect possible. Thank all of you.

[Unbound]

Is this a belief you are thus projecting on to us and everyone, that we are educated only by indoctrination? You speak of us as though we are not here.

[Spaced]

I have one thing left to say: Indoctrination is what most of this planet has known in terms of "education." I remain to believe one can indoctrinate truth.

Most of this planet's "beliefs" are very well forced.

I agree with this to an extent. Yes education is a form of indoctrination, and yet there are still those who choose to believe differently from what they are taught. Those who lack the will to put in the effort to think critically will believe what they are taught but it's still a choice, in this case the choice to remain confused because to do otherwise would lead them out of their comfort zone. One could argue that it is possible to limit what is taught to someone so that they can't even consider the possibility of alternative trains of thought, but I believe that the reflex for self-examination is ingrained in the nature of the mind and the potential for such will always be there.

In my opinion the end result of such a society as one formed by the ideas presented in the first post would be a confused 3rd density society which, over the passing of time, would build up more and more 'pressure' as aspects of that society are suppressed until a catastrophic catalyst finally introduces much needed change.

[Fastidious Emanations]

you will be able to find followers with your brand of 'love' if that is what they/you are seeking, you know this very well.

[zenmaster]

You can manipulate people into believing it by framing it in ways that people may digest.

Usually, that manipulation is done through exploiting desires with which people perceive the framed idea holds promise to fulfill. That's "identification", an unconscious attachment - an idea association. However, that's also when one doesn't have much of a conscious choice in the matter and are relating from a "fusion" with the idea rather than to it. Only the later, conscious choice, can be truly authentic because it brings our very real limitations to bear on any relationship. So if you want to learn from a desired idea, you want to be very close to it (intimate with it). But not so close you are fused with it in some kind of all-being immanency , which is a form of pathological "spiritual bypassing". And related to ideas of "loving", as Masters said, "Such intimacy cuts through the us-versus-them mentality and projections that plague our culture".

[reeay]

Like if the Law of One being this truth, we may refine our love and light to vibrate closer to it as we develop within and throughout the densities (correct?), and so it is a vibrational congruency that allows us to experience or understand this truth. Exploration of our desire from unconscious is so laden with distortions that it must be consciously understood and let go to progress thru the developmental process. In doing so we have choice to go with understandings that are more distilled towards the truth. Am I missing the mark here zen master?

---

Adonai I recommend studying the works of Heinz von Foerster and autopoiesis to understand the nature of sharing ideas and concepts.

[zenmaster]

Like if the Law of One being this truth, we may refine our love and light to vibrate closer to it as we develop within and throughout the densities (correct?), and so it is a vibrational congruency that allows us to experience or understand this truth. Exploration of our desire from unconscious is so laden with distortions that it must be consciously understood and let go to progress thru the developmental process. In doing so we have choice to go with understandings that are more distilled towards the truth. Am I missing the mark here zen master?

At some point you realize that there is a developmental process and then you realize the resources/agents of this developmental process may be structured. Our desires, speaking from our unconscious, are informing us what needs to be addressed to remove distortions (they are catalyst). This offering is effectively rejected or disowned if we say "I am that", and so ready to be projected onto others so that they may serve as the mirror we failed to provide for ourselves.

If you do not expose your being to a desire, there is no learning. If you unconsciously identify with a desire, it is not being addressed, so there is no learning. A vibrational congruency just means a capacity to accept something of a vibration - or rather, being minimally distorted or sufficiency undistorted with regards to what may be offered to intelligence from that vibration.

[Adonai One]

you will be able to find followers with your brand of 'love' if that is what they/you are seeking, you know this very well.

I know there are teachings guides will always hide from students until the moment they discover them themselves. There is a reason why out of all the machinations Ra gave to Earth, they did not clearly spell out the archetypes.

The Law of Responsibility is all I wish to evoke.

The Venusian Holy Wars were a response to true teachings, not a reaction to tangible force. The reponses of domination from the "teaching" side were only a reflection of what they had done.

[michael430]

[deleted]

[Spaced]

Are holy wars on Venus mentioned in the Ra material?

There is some reference in session 89 to two positively oriented wanders who came to 3rd density Venus and sparked a holy war.

89.27 Questioner: Were some of Ra’s population negatively harvested at the end of Ra’s third density?

Ra: I am Ra. We had no negative harvest as such although there had been two entities which had harvested themselves during the third density in the negative or service-to-self path. There were, however, those upon the planetary surface during third density whose vibratory patterns were in the negative range but were not harvestable.

[...]

89.31 Questioner: What techniques did the two negatively harvested entities use for negative polarization on such a positively polarized planet?

Ra: I am Ra. The technique of control over others and domination unto the physical death was used in both cases. Upon a planetary influence much unused to slaughter these entities were able to polarize by this means. Upon your third-density environment at the time of your experiencing such entities would merely be considered, shall we say, ruthless despots which waged the holy war.

89.32 Questioner: Did these two entities evolve from the second density of the planet Venus along with the rest of the population of Venus that became Ra from second density to third?

Ra: I am Ra. No.

89.33 Questioner: What was the origin of the two entities of which you speak?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities were Wanderers from early positive fifth density.

89.34 Questioner: And yet, though they had already evolved through a positive fourth density they, shall we say, flipped polarity in the reincarnating in third density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

89.35 Questioner: What was the catalyst for their change?

Ra: I am Ra. In our peoples there was what may be considered, from the viewpoint of wisdom, an overabundance of love. These entities looked at those still in darkness and saw that those of a neutral or somewhat negative viewpoint found such harmony, shall we say, sickening. The Wanderers felt that a more wisdom-oriented way of seeking love could be more appealing to those in darkness.

First one entity began its work. Quickly the second found the first. These entities had agreed to serve together and so they did, glorifying the One Creator, but not as they intended. About them were soon gathered those who found it easy to believe that a series of specific knowledges and wisdoms would advance one towards the Creator. The end of this was the graduation into fourth-density negative of the Wanderers, which had much power of personality, and some small deepening of the negatively polarized element of those not polarizing positively. There was no negative harvest as such.

89.36 Questioner: What was the reason for the wandering of these two Wanderers, and were they male and female?

Ra: I am Ra. All Wanderers come to be of assistance in serving the Creator, each in its own way. The Wanderers of which we have been speaking were indeed incarnated male and female as this is by far the most efficient system of partnership.

[...]

89.38 Questioner: Then from what you say I am guessing that these Wanderers returned or wandered to Ra’s third density to possibly seed greater wisdom into what they saw as an overabundance of compassion in the Ra culture. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect in the sense that before incarnation it was the desire of the Wanderers only to aid in service to others. The query has correctness when seen from the viewpoint of the Wanderers within that incarnation.

89.39 Questioner: I just can’t understand why they would think that a planet that was doing as well as Ra was doing as far as I can tell would need Wanderers in order to help with a harvest. Was this at an early point in Ra’s third density?

Ra: I am Ra. It was in the second cycle of 25,000 years. We had a harvest of six out of thirty, to speak roughly, millions of mind/body/spirit complexes, less than 20%. Wanderers are always drawn to whatever percentage has not yet polarized, and come when there is a call. There was a call from those which were not positively polarized as such but which sought to be positively polarized and sought wisdom, feeling the compassion of other-selves upon Venus as complacent or pitying towards other-selves.

89.40 Questioner: What was the attitude of these two entities after they graduated into fourth-density negative and, the veil being removed, they realized that they had switched polarities?

Ra: I am Ra. They were disconcerted.

89.41 Questioner: Then did they continue striving to polarize negatively for a fifth-density negative harvest or did they do something else?

Ra: I am Ra. They worked with the fourth-density negative for some period until, within this framework, the previously learned patterns of the self had been recaptured and the polarity was, with great effort, reversed. There was a great deal of fourth-density positive work then to be retraced.

89.42 Questioner: How is Ra aware of this information? By what means does Ra know the precise orientation of these two entities in fourth-density negative, etc.?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities joined Ra in fourth-density positive for a portion of the cycle which we experienced.

[michael430]

[deleted]

[Adonai One]

Maybe, maybe not.

[ScottK]

I have one thing left to say: Indoctrination is what most of this planet has known in terms of "education." I remain to believe one can indoctrinate truth.

Most of this planet's "beliefs" are very well forced.

You really don't need to indoctrinate.

The people are indoctrinated today by divisiveness between groups on racial, sexual, class, religious lines among other things. When the cabal's funding dries up, the pimps who divide the people will go away. Also, a little truth on religion would really help, as the cabal has designed religion such that all religions believe they are superior to all others, fueling the people's acceptance of war..

The problem we have are all the people who define themselves by the divisions.

You probably want to stay away from those folks as the SHTF..

Simply telling the truth will ultimately bring peace after a period of chaos.

[reeay]

Scott who do we need to stay away from?