4D offers Bisexuality

[hogey11]

nvm - retracted my thought

[drifting pages]

I love the cock, that does not mean that secretly deep inside i want to have a vagina, sorry.

Men and woman that feel like the other sex are called transgender not homosexual.

Also they are not mutually inclusive, some might feel like a woman yet are physically a men and still be attracted to women.

Well i guess i don't agree with Ra.

To me being more aware(which some call 4D) is an opening of sexuality and gender not a rerouting to tradition cultural beliefs.
The same way that on 4D survival is not an issue so is reproduction.And anyway the number of current 2D species that partake on homosexuality is mind boggling, did they reincarnate on cities or from previous genders from other lives ? I think not.

Just wanted to state this since many just seem to accept the transgender reincarnation route explanation.

[Jim Kent +]

Greetings all,

I wish I was comfortable enough to discuss this topic in detail on a public forum - but I'm not - so I wont!

But I would second what drifting pages said about the important difference between so called "transgender" and "homosexuality"...

It is a very common misconception that just because a male enjoys feminine dressing that they are homosexual...

I can only comment on so called "western" culture, as this is all I know well enough to discuss...

When a women dresses in clothing identical to "traditional" male attire - no one questions their sexuality, but when a male chooses to dress in feminine clothing - their sexuality is questioned by many ignorant individuals!

This hypocrisy used to to really annoy me - but that has gone since I had my old gogger cut off! ( Only joking! )

Jim

[drifting pages]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_...in_animals

Bottlenose dolphins
Dolphins of several species engage in homosexual acts, though it is best studied in the bottlenose dolphins.[1] Sexual encounters between females take the shape of "beak-genital propulsion", where one female insert her beak in the genital opening of the other while swimming gently forward.[63] Between males, homosexual behaviour include rubbing of genitals against each other, which sometimes lead to the males swimming belly to belly, inserting the penis in the others genital slit and sometimes anus.[64]
Janet Mann, Georgetown University professor of biology and psychology, argues that the strong personal behavior among male dolphin calves is about bond formation and benefits the species in an evolutionary context.[35] She cites studies showing that these dolphins later in life as adults are in a sense bisexual, and the male bonds forged earlier in life work together for protection as well as locating females to reproduce with. Confrontations between flocks of bottlenose dolphins and the related species Atlantic spotted dolphin will sometimes lead to cross-species homosexual behaviour between the males rather than combat.[65]

Elephants
African and Asian males will engage in same-sex bonding and mounting. Such encounters are often associated with affectionate interactions, such as kissing, trunk intertwining, and placing trunks in each other's mouths. Male elephants, who often live apart from the general herd, often form "companionships", consisting of an older individual and one or sometimes two younger, attendant males with sexual behavior being an important part of the social dynamic. Unlike heterosexual relations, which are always of a fleeting nature, the relationships between males may last for years. The encounters are analogous to heterosexual bouts, one male often extending his trunk along the other's back and pushing forward with his tusks to signify his intention to mount. Same-sex relations are common and frequent in both sexes, with Asiatic elephants in captivity devoting roughly 45% of sexual encounters to same-sex activity.[66]

Giraffes
Male giraffes have been observed to engage in remarkably high frequencies of homosexual behavior. After aggressive "necking", it is common for two male giraffes to caress and court each other, leading up to mounting and climax. Such interactions between males have been found to be more frequent than heterosexual coupling.[67] In one study, up to 94% of observed mounting incidents took place between two males. The proportion of same sex activities varied between 30 and 75%, and at any given time one in twenty males were engaged in non-combative necking behavior with another male. Only 1% of same-sex mounting incidents occurred between females.[68]

Bonobo and other apes


Bonobo
The Bonobo, which has a matriarchal society, unusual amongst apes, is a fully bisexual species—both males and females engage in heterosexual and homosexual behavior, being noted for female-female homosexuality in particular. About 60% of all sexual activity in this species is between two or more females. While the homosexual bonding system in Bonobos represents the highest frequency of homosexuality known in any species, homosexuality has been reported for all great apes (a group which includes humans), as well as a number of other primate species.
Dutch primatologist Frans de Waal on observing and filming bonobos noted that there were two reasons to believe sexual activity is the bonobo's answer to avoiding conflict.
Anything that arouses the interest of more than one bonobo at a time, not just food, tends to result in sexual contact. If two bonobos approach a cardboard box thrown into their enclosure, they will briefly mount each other before playing with the box. Such situations lead to squabbles in most other species. But bonobos are quite tolerant, perhaps because they use sex to divert attention and to defuse tension.
Bonobo sex often occurs in aggressive contexts totally unrelated to food. A jealous male might chase another away from a female, after which the two males reunite and engage in scrotal rubbing. Or after a female hits a juvenile, the latter's mother may lunge at the aggressor, an action that is immediately followed by genital rubbing between the two adults.[62]

Lions
Both male and female lions have been seen to interact homosexually.[71][72] Male lions pair-bond for a number of days and initiate homosexual activity with affectionate nuzzling and caressing, leading to mounting and thrusting. About 8% of mountings have been observed to occur with other males. Pairings between females are held to be fairly common in captivity but have not been observed in the wild.

Amazon Dolphin
The Amazon River dolphin or boto has been reported to form up in bands of 3–5 individuals enjoying group sex.[50] The groups usually comprise young males and sometimes one or two females. Sex is often performed in non-reproductive ways, using snout, flippers and genital rubbing, without regards to gender.[50] In captivity, they have been observed to sometimes perform homosexual and heterosexual penetration of the blowhole, a hole homologous with the nostril of other mammals, making this the only known example of nasal sex in the animal kingdom.[50][51] The males will sometimes also perform sex with tucuxi males, a small porpoise.

There are more animals in the link, but you get the picture

Edit: Had to add this one:

Black swans


Black Swans, Cygnus atratus
An estimated one-quarter of all black swans pairings are of homosexual males. They steal nests, or form temporary threesomes with females to obtain eggs, driving away the female after she lays the eggs.[31][32] More of their cygnets survive to adulthood than those of different-sex pairs, possibly due to their superior ability to defend large portions of land. The same reasoning has been applied to male flamingo pairs raising chicks.[33][34]

[Monica]

Amazon Dolphin
The Amazon River dolphin or boto has been reported to form up in bands of 3–5 individuals enjoying group sex.[50] The groups usually comprise young males and sometimes one or two females. Sex is often performed in non-reproductive ways, using snout, flippers and genital rubbing, without regards to gender.[50] In captivity, they have been observed to sometimes perform homosexual and heterosexual penetration of the blowhole, a hole homologous with the nostril of other mammals, making this the only known example of nasal sex in the animal kingdom.[50][51] The males will sometimes also perform sex with tucuxi males, a small porpoise.

And humans! Don't forget humans! Dolphins like to frolic with humans too. No one told me that before I swam with them, so I found it rather disconcerting at the time. Thankfully I had on a wetsuit so no orifices were available, but he seemed quite content with hooking his member around my knee. That was kinda weird. (This was a Florida dolphin in 'voluntary' captivity meaning he could leave anytime but chose to stay with the humans.)

I suspect it's not what we consider 'sexual' but just sensual. Dolphins are just very very sensual and in a constant state of joy, maybe even ecstasy. I got the impression they just feel joy with their whole bodies and don't really have any sense of separation; ie. certain bodily organs for specific purposes. I felt really spaced out and they were in my dreams for a whole month, as wise sages.

[drifting pages]

Well it is highly discussed what animals do and why they do or what they feel, in the past anything other then heterosexual behavior on animals was not discussed, at least we have more awareness of what happens, regardless if people think this is positive negative neutral or whatever.

Also, OMG ! They truly have it all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexual_behavior

I wasn't aware of all of this. It is surprising but then it isn't... Nature does seem to have all sort of behaviours and ways of life.

[Monica]

Well it is highly discussed what animals do and why they do or what they feel, in the past anything other then heterosexual behavior on animals was not discussed, at least we have more awareness of what happens, regardless if people think this is positive negative neutral or whatever.

Then again, these animals (except for dolphins) are 2D. So I'm not sure what the relevance is to 3D entities.

[Jim Kent +]

Greetings all,

If we're having a serious discussion about Human and Animal sexual behavior, how come no-one has mentioned bestiality yet??/???

I know of a land where the natives are rumoured to have sex with sheep...

I tried it, but the lingerie wouldn't fit!

Sorry - I really should remember to restrict my posting to when I'm sober!

Jim

[BrownEye]

Thankfully I had on a wetsuit so no orifices were available

That is awesome LoL!

Think i may use it as a sig somewhere.

[drifting pages]

Well it is highly discussed what animals do and why they do or what they feel, in the past anything other then heterosexual behavior on animals was not discussed, at least we have more awareness of what happens, regardless if people think this is positive negative neutral or whatever.

Then again, these animals (except for dolphins) are 2D. So I'm not sure what the relevance is to 3D entities.

Well many base normalized heterosexuality behavior on it's "natural" "nature approves" and anything else as unnatural because after all heterosexuality is the "norm" and is for procreation therefore it is valid and good and nothing beyond that has any value or purpose on nature.

Well they can't say it anymore.

Also we are "3D" but we have "2D" bodies.And not see what we share with animals on so many areas seems silly to me.

[zenmaster]

Then again, these animals (except for dolphins) are 2D.

Dolphins are also 2D.

[drifting pages]

Some people believe dolphins are developed enough to be considered 3D and i get why they say that cause dolphins are intelligent to degrees monkeys maybe are not.

I honestly don't know but i certainly think killing dolphins for food or sport is not a good idea at all.

[Monica]

Well many base normalized heterosexuality behavior on it's "natural" "nature approves" and anything else as unnatural because after all heterosexuality is the "norm" and is for procreation therefore it is valid and good and nothing beyond that has any value or purpose on nature.

Well they can't say it anymore.

"They" also say that intelligence evolved from physical matter. So I'm more interested in what Ra has to say on it than what "they" have to say.

Also we are "3D" but we have "2D" bodies.And not see what we share with animals on so many areas seems silly to me.

We've evolved into a higher density than animals.

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Then again, these animals (except for dolphins) are 2D.

Dolphins are also 2D.

I'll respectfully dispute that. I remember Ra (or was it Q'uo?) saying that these entities chose to continue their 3D evolution in the dolphin form rather than in the human form.

I've swum with wild dolphins. I can attest that their consciousness is far more evolved than humans. No doubt about it.

I'm guessing, though, that there may be a wide range within that 3D, just as with humans; ie. in the human race we have new 3D entities (who may have been dogs in their last life) all the way up to advanced sages like Yogananda. It makes sense that this would be true for dolphins also. In other words, there might be some nice dolphins and some not-so-nice dolphins.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Q'uo went into a good bit of detail about dolphins being 3D. The story goes that Atlantean spiritualists were not happy with the way society was progressing and wanted to revert back into a lifestyle without structured society, so through consciousness (indigo work) they altered particular cetacean DNA to be capable of 3D consciousness so they could reincarnate into the dolphin bodies. Q'uo goes on the talk about how there are also dual-bodied dolphins, there will be 4D dolphins, and when 4D is in full activation on Earth, we will be able to choose from a human 4D form or a dolphin 4D form.

Dolphins have shown significant signs of self-awareness as well as human-level communication. I see no reason not to at least consider the possibility that they are 3D. However, zenmaster, I'd love to hear why you would not consider the possibility.

[Siren]

Questioner: Thank you. Is it possible for you to give a short description of the conditions in the fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are not words for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited until we become without words.

That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.

Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thought of other-selves; it is a plane wherein one is aware of vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.

So much has been/is being said about dolphins (particularly within "spiritual/mystical/New Age" circles. I, as of know, would rather refrain from drawing any conclusions.

4D bodies wont be exactly "human" as the term "human" is understood today. So I see no reason why "cetaceans" would remain the same either if they indeed were 4D-capable.

[BrownEye]

Then again, these animals (except for dolphins) are 2D.

Dolphins are also 2D.

I would guess at the possibility of dual activation options?

[Monica]

I would guess at the possibility of dual activation options?

Ra mentioned dual activation of 3D/4D but I don't recall any mention of dual activation of 2D/3D.

[Siren]

Ra mentioned dual activation of 3D/4D but I don't recall any mention of dual activation of 2D/3D.

I would imagine that at any time of transition between one grade/vibrational spectrum/density to another, bodies come in "dual-activation." It would only seem natural and part of the transitory process.

[zenmaster]

Then again, these animals (except for dolphins) are 2D.

Dolphins are also 2D.

I'll respectfully dispute that. I remember Ra (or was it Q'uo?) saying that these entities chose to continue their 3D evolution in the dolphin form rather than in the human form.

Probably Carla's ideas or what she'd stored in her subconscious. Wasn't Ra.

I've swum with wild dolphins. I can attest that their consciousness is far more evolved than humans. No doubt about it.

As much as the romantic idea may inspire, consider that they simply think differently based on what their genetics affords.

I'm guessing, though, that there may be a wide range within that 3D, just as with humans; ie. in the human race we have new 3D entities (who may have been dogs in their last life) all the way up to advanced sages like Yogananda. It makes sense that this would be true for dolphins also. In other words, there might be some nice dolphins and some not-so-nice dolphins.

Some not so nice? All consciousness evolves. I'd submit that the constraints on the dolphin 'society' and habitat do not allow sufficient opportunity to grow in consciousness (i.e. process 3D catalyst). You wouldn't pick that 2D form, and those life constraints - 20 year lifespan in order to efficiently learn. I.e. consider the day's events, process emotions, create, etc.

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Ra mentioned dual activation of 3D/4D but I don't recall any mention of dual activation of 2D/3D.

Ra mentioned some Bigfoot are 3D (spirit) but 2D mind and body. The dual-activated have 2 separate densities as both mind and body, and a spirit of the latter density.
I'd imagine the incredible reproductive rate of humans is vastly outpacing the ability for suitable transplants (from nearby, or compatible logoi) to inhabit. Combine that with man having killed off a lot of the intermediate species here, and you might just have more local 3D newbies than normal at this late stage.

[Monica]

Probably Carla's ideas or what she'd stored in her subconscious. Wasn't Ra.

I agree that such might be in the case in some of the channelings, but I don't think so in this case, because the dolphins I met were way more advanced than most humans I've ever met. It was like being in the presence of very advanced masters. Those weren't 2D beings, no way.

As much as the romantic idea may inspire, consider that they simply think differently based on what their genetics affords.

That's just it. I didn't have any such romantic idea beforehand. The experience caught me by surprised and rocked my socks!

Why are you so opposed to the idea that they are 3D?

I'd submit that the constraints on the dolphin 'society' and habitat do not allow sufficient opportunity to grow in consciousness (i.e. process 3D catalyst). You wouldn't pick that 2D form, and those life constraints - 20 year lifespan in order to efficiently learn. I.e. consider the day's events, process emotions, create, etc.

Their lives are very different from ours. I'd liken them more to Ra when on Venus; they lack the intense catalyst of violence (for the most part, except for the occasional shark), so are able to spend most of their time interacting emotionally, sexually, and psychically.

They are very psychic and very sensual beings. The type of catalyst they encounter is more like Ra's than ours.

[Lulu]

about dolphins...

oddly, someone witnessed a large dolphin attacking and beating up a younger dolphin --violently. The people in the boat were screaming in horror, unable to help.

Don Migual Ruiz has mentioned, there are at least two earth animals that are now beginning to think like humans.

We are influencing all that is. It's obvious and often a disturbing example that we can witness with pets and their owners. But this is showing a whole new influence.

[Monica]

about dolphins...

oddly, someone witnessed a large dolphin attacking and beating up a younger dolphin --violently. The people in the boat were screaming in horror, unable to help.

Don Migual Ruiz has mentioned, there are at least two earth animals that are now beginning to think like humans.

We are influencing all that is. It's obvious and often a disturbing example that we can witness with pets and their owners. But this is showing a whole new influence.

Yes, more and more stories are popping up about dolphins starting to act more like humans. How sad...

I assume there are some STS dolphins in the mix, and some that aren't harvestable. Remember, they are polarizing to 4D too, just like we are, so they aren't all STO.

[Ali Quadir]

This was always the case of course. Dolphins have been known to occasionally launch pinguins and other marine animals from the water or pull swimming birds under the water.. Members of any mammal species are known to bully other animals... This is natural behavior. And has a lot to do with pack behavior and the assertion of dominance.

[Patrick]

...Ra mentioned some Bigfoot are 3D (spirit) but 2D mind and body. The dual-activated have 2 separate densities as both mind and body, and a spirit of the latter density...

Interesting.

I've been told recently that I have been a walk-in for nine months now. I don't feel any different. One theory is that we were harvested and those that were came back as walk-ins to help the physical transition.

Maybe, we are then 4d spirit with 3d mind and body ?

[Observer]

Doesn't seem too improbable. ^