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RE: Fukusjima - unity100 - 06-22-2011
(06-22-2011, 07:01 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: It's an evolutionary trait to view one's responsibility to protect one's tribe as more important than protecting any other-selves, especially a larger group of other-selves. Unconditional love is unconditional love; being part of your family is a condition. Loving someone more because they are naturally of that condition isn't unconditional.
thats a very sharp and clear way of putting it.
Quote:But who can honestly say they are free of this orange-ray behavior though? Who can say their love for their children is equal to that of their neighbor? Or their community? Or someone, some random part of creation, that they don't even know?
I don't think that's a lesson required for us to learn in 3rd density.
then, maybe it is one of the lessons of 3rd density ? the density which requires opening up the 3rd chakra (yellow - 'there are others than me, how do i behave to them') to the full ?
holding back yellow from any entity that is considered 'not of the herd' would constitute holding back that chakra.
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-22-2011
i don't care if it's a monkey trait, if you have kids you take care of them. end of story. if you fly around the world feeding children but neglect your own, how in god's green earth are you a good person? universal love or not, you gotta start with the ones you are responsible for, your family. your kids. the ones assigned to you.
you're not holding back by accepting the reality of you need money to feed family, so you work for a corporation while you have to. are you saying Monica has yellow ray issues and should abandon her family to suit her ideals?
RE: Fukusjima - Monica - 06-22-2011
(06-22-2011, 06:41 PM)unity100 Wrote:(06-22-2011, 06:27 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Once it's clear what one's responsibility is, then yes.
it is always the entity's responsibility. thats why choice exists.
I didn't dispute that. I'm saying, the entity might not be aware of what his/her responsibility is. That is part of the process. As we evolve spiritually, we increase our awareness, and that results in a corresponding increase in responsibility.
(06-22-2011, 06:41 PM)unity100 Wrote: according to law of responsibility, if you had aided a negative effort, you had aided a negative effort. your justifications and reasons and excuses and whatnot, would not change that. the inertia created with that act, will keep going until offset through any means.
That's what karma is all about; it's a mechanism for catalyst. However, Ra also stated that intention plays a role.
(06-22-2011, 06:41 PM)unity100 Wrote: it is not complex at all. regardless of circumstances, law of responsibility will act.
I didn't say the law of responsibility is complex. I said the everyday situations, the catalysts that we all encounter, are complex. Our understanding of these catalysts, and our learning wisdom from them, utilizing them for our spiritual evolution, and understanding what our responsibilities are, can be quite complex.
Example: The mother who is struggling to feed and clothe her children, and learns that her corporation engages in unethical behaviors. Her situation is not simple. She can't just quit her job, because then she would fail to meet her responsibilities of caring for her children.
What's complex is the process of making decisions in such cases. That is where we cannot judge, because we are not in that situation. We cannot just say, "Oh she should just quit her job" because we aren't in her shoes. We might make the same decision she did, if faced with the same situation.
(06-22-2011, 06:41 PM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:In the conventional corporate structure, you're probably right. However, new companies are being formed, with new structures, that empower their distributors, rather than feeding the shareholders. Network marketing and direct sales companies utilize a new, cutting-edge marketing structure that largely eliminates the dog-eat-dog, back-stabbing aspect. They are based on the concept of cooperation instead of competition.the system acting against individuals in the corporate world is no different from the system acting against corporations in the corporate world, if you consider corporations as individuals.
those corporations which are more dastardly, will work with equally dastardly corporations, and either consume or put down corporations that are not like them. this may happen through any means.
I don't understand your response, and how it relates to my comment. Can you please clarify? (Particularly how it relates to my comment.)
(06-22-2011, 06:41 PM)unity100 Wrote: can you name just one exception ?
I can name 2 who I believe are, in the present time, but I know you don't agree with me on them, so there's really no point.
Ra named a few STO entities who were in positions of power.
(06-22-2011, 06:41 PM)unity100 Wrote: that was the thing of earlier decades, like at least 30 years ago. character assassinations are questioned less than real assassinations, and seems to be the order of the day since a while.
For the most part, at least in the US. But there is evidence to suggest it still happens; they've just gotten better at covering it up.
RE: Fukusjima - unity100 - 06-22-2011
(06-22-2011, 07:09 PM)Oceania Wrote: i don't care if it's a monkey trait, if you have kids you take care of them. end of story.
the precise point in this thing is, law of responsibility will act regardless of objections, emotions, attributions.
Quote:if you fly around the world feeding children but neglect your own, how in god's green earth are you a good person? universal love or not, you gotta start with the ones you are responsible for, your family. your kids. the ones assigned to you.
apparently, one of the lessons of this density, may be learning not to separate any child than your own
Quote:you're not holding back by accepting the reality of you need money to feed family, so you work for a corporation while you have to. are you saying Monica has yellow ray issues and should abandon her family to suit her ideals?
let me portray what i am seeing from my perspective :
you are getting angry with me, and providing me with a reason/justification in which you deem to hold sway over all other concerns and spiritual laws, and then you pose me a challenge question over that justification, in persona of monica.
leaving the persona of monica - who had already gone a great length in regard to law of responsibility in her life - aside, i am irrelevant to this matter.
im not the creator of law of responsibility. im not its executor. it is something that apparently runs regardless of location and situation, even in lieu of the council of nine who governs this locale.
as for your particular question, if we boil it down to basics, you are asking that if someone has to work for a corporation that tells him/her to do nonpositive things to other people, is a good person or not.
and the answer is - the person's characteristics wont matter. law of responsibility will still act, and the results of the nonpositive things that are done, will return to the entity in any way they will.
i would like to stress this, as uncomfortable as it is to say or hear :
law of responsibility doesnt seem to make exceptions for anything, even when you 'have to' do something in order to serve one or more entities, with any justification.
another entity intervening in between, may intervene and stop the resulting karma. (may be anything from someone else to society complex or else). however, this does not mean law of responsibility didnt act - just, the debt/inertia/karma was stopped by the entity intervening in between, and the originator of the act is indebted to the entity which intervened. there will probably be no feelings of 'debt' happen in between these 2 sources, but, very probably the entity indebted will feel an irresistible desire to serve the other entity in any way (proportional to the inertia stopped), and will eventually undertake such an act in any given point in continuum of its existence in this octave. and, in that, the inertia, the act that was done, will have returned to the originator, and truly stopped.
this is valid for positive and negative deeds. all acts, return to their originator eventually.
(06-22-2011, 07:14 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I didn't dispute that. I'm saying, the entity might not be aware of what his/her responsibility is. That is part of the process. As we evolve spiritually, we increase our awareness, and that results in a corresponding increase in responsibility.
the deal is that, i think law of responsibility acts regardless of conscious or unconscious knowledge of any concept in question.
a case in point is, entities in 2nd cycle having their lives shortened en masse, despite the 150 harvestable entities who were isolated having 900 year lifespans.
so, other entities, who had in any way participated in/entangled/contributed to the system then, got their lives shortened. even tho some had 140 year lifespans.
Quote:That's what karma is all about; it's a mechanism for catalyst. However, Ra also stated that intention plays a role.
the word 'karma' i use here, is rather not relevant to planetary/experiential karma.
it is rather a spiritual principle that also acts outside this planet.
Quote:Example: The mother who is struggling to feed and clothe her children, and learns that her corporation engages in unethical behaviors. Her situation is not simple. She can't just quit her job, because then she would fail to meet her responsibilities of caring for her children.
What's complex is the process of making decisions in such cases. That is where we cannot judge, because we are not in that situation. We cannot just say, "Oh she should just quit her job" because we aren't in her shoes. We might make the same decision she did, if faced with the same situation.
actually we not only can, but also should say she quit her job. if an entity is following the positive path, there is no justification for committing negative acts. yes, a situation may be complex, yes, it may be hard to decide, yes, an entity may have to do things, yet, a negative act is a negative act. even if you forgive the doer of the deed, the deed will still reduce the doer's polarity. the decision is up to the person. she can take any route, including middle ones. but, law of responsibility will not blink.
Quote:I don't understand your response, and how it relates to my comment. Can you please clarify? (Particularly how it relates to my comment.)
to simply put; you were saying that there were now more positively oriented corporations around. i said that the established negative corporations will not let them get power, just like how established negative individuals dont let positive ones take power. negative systems work negatively.
Quote:Ra named a few STO entities who were in positions of power.
like ?
RE: Fukusjima - Monica - 06-22-2011
(06-22-2011, 07:25 PM)unity100 Wrote: apparently, one of the lessons of this density, may be learning not to separate any child than your own
If that were true, then this planet has failed miserably!
I think there is a reason that we've evolved in families, tribes, etc. It's a step in the process. Many 3D entities cannot even love or forgive their own wives/husbands/children/parents! To love/forgive others who aren't family, is too advanced for them. They have to start with family. Once they are able to love/forgive family, then maybe they can work towards loving/forgiving close friends. Then, continuing to progress outwards, they can eventually love/forgive those of other 'tribes.'
Ra didn't specify that the 51% had to extend to non-family members. That might even be the reason there is some wiggle-room there. The 51% minimum is likely expressed with primarily family and friends. Those who love strangers, and engage in altruistic acts, have gone beyond the 51%.
For those who reach only the minimum 51%, they will likely learn to love others beyond their friends and families, in 4D.
(06-22-2011, 07:25 PM)unity100 Wrote: law of responsibility doesnt seem to make exceptions for anything, even when you 'have to' do something in order to serve one or more entities, with any justification.
Agreed. However, here is a point I think you're missing:
What might appear as 'justification' might actually be responsibility in another area of life.
You just used the word 'serve.' If one is serving, then one is acting in an STO capacity. This person has a responsibility to serve, to choose STO actions. Thus, that too is a responsibility. Therefore, if that person, say, quit her job, which resulted in neglecting her children, then she has just traded one responsibility for another.
(06-22-2011, 07:25 PM)unity100 Wrote: the deal is that, i think law of responsibility acts regardless of conscious or unconscious knowledge of any concept in question.
Are you saying that an entity who is aware has an equal amount of responsibility as one who is not aware?
I recall Ra addressing this point. If I remember correctly, Ra stated something about responsibility increasing as awareness increased. And I know Edgar Cayce stated that, for what it's worth. With ability comes responsibility.
(06-22-2011, 07:25 PM)unity100 Wrote: actually we not only can, but also should say she quit her job. if an entity is following the positive path, there is no justification for committing negative acts.
But neglecting her children is also a negative act. How is this reconciled?
(06-22-2011, 07:25 PM)unity100 Wrote: to simply put; you were saying that there were now more positively oriented corporations around. i said that the established negative corporations will not let them get power, just like how established negative individuals dont let positive ones take power. negative systems work negatively.
Thanks for the clarification.
In the normal corporate world, that is generally true. Which is precisely my point: These new companies have created a new business model which doesn't fall into the old corporate structure. They've changed the game. What you call a mechanic; a new mechanic has been created.
Quote:like ?
FDR, Lincoln. We just discussed this on another thread. There were others but I think these were the only ones in politics.
None in the corporate world were mentioned. But then, the modern multi-national corporation is a relatively new phenomenon, and Ra wouldn't have commented on that.
RE: Fukusjima - unity100 - 06-22-2011
(06-22-2011, 07:58 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: If that were true, then this planet has failed miserably!
that is, in a certain respect, most true :
Quote:I think there is a reason that we've evolved in families, tribes, etc. It's a step in the process. Many 3D entities cannot even love or forgive their own wives/husbands/children/parents! To love/forgive others who aren't family, is too advanced for them. They have to start with family. Once they are able to love/forgive family, then maybe they can work towards loving/forgiving close friends. Then, continuing to progress outwards, they can eventually love/forgive those of other 'tribes.'
all are manifestations of orange ray identification behavior.
this is one of the things that greatly plague this planet.
Quote:Ra didn't specify that the 51% had to extend to non-family members. That might even be the reason there is some wiggle-room there. The 51% minimum is likely expressed with primarily family and friends. Those who love strangers, and engage in altruistic acts, have gone beyond the 51%.
For those who reach only the minimum 51%, they will likely learn to love others beyond their friends and families, in 4D.
in case you are aware, 51% positive vibrations means you opened your energy centers up to 51%, with yellow being in the open. and if yellow is open, that would mean non-discrimination.
in addition, elitism and similar concepts are associated with negativity, and its mechanism.
also, during harvest, do you think that the harvest is going to happen in a family context, and the situation of the entity will not be measured out of that context ?
not to mention that, the very concept 'family' is an orange concept that involves identification with some number of people more than others. in short, its an orange ray identification involvement.
when all the mental biases of the entity falls away prior to harvest, and it is subjected to the harvest, the entity's orange ray identification behavior would show during harvest.
Quote:Agreed. However, here is a point I think you're missing:
What might appear as 'justification' might actually be responsibility in another area of life.
You just used the word 'serve.' If one is serving, then one is acting in an STO capacity. This person has a responsibility to serve, to choose STO actions. Thus, that too is a responsibility. Therefore, if that person, say, quit her job, which resulted in neglecting her children, then she has just traded one responsibility for another.
you can take the word 'serve' in positive emissions context. those two are not separable from each other.
there will not be 'family' mental context during harvest measurement. it is a mental bias pertaining to this planet.
Quote:Are you saying that an entity who is aware has an equal amount of responsibility as one who is not aware?
im saying that it seems so. for, anyone who is participating in anything, knowingly or unknowingly (conscious or unconscious knowing or unknowing dont differ in this context) are still affected by the results of their actions.
ala the lifespan shortening.
Quote:I recall Ra addressing this point. If I remember correctly, Ra stated something about responsibility increasing as awareness increased. And I know Edgar Cayce stated that, for what it's worth. With ability comes responsibility.
yes, it does. but, it seems to involve more direct, fast manifestations of the law of responsibility in individual's own life. rather than participation in the orange system reducing your lifespan not from 900 to 40, but 900 to 140.
Quote:But neglecting her children is also a negative act. How is this reconciled?
the positively oriented entity would choose a route that would attempt to not neglect anyone, even if that route is not wise or feasible. this goes valid for 3d and 4d entities apparently, for, if we look at Ra, 5d and higher entities choose to refrain from marriage or having children.
Quote:In the normal corporate world, that is generally true. Which is precisely my point: These new companies have created a new business model which doesn't fall into the old corporate structure. They've changed the game. What you call a mechanic; a new mechanic has been created
are you aware that the established companies have long been in the process of subduing those corporations and models ? and some are the things you are interested in ? like natural food products ? im not even mentioning anything about what is going on in the world of information technology, patents, or internet.
Quote:FDR, Lincoln. We just discussed this on another thread. There were others but I think these were the only ones in politics.
both entities were able to get into power in outstanding conditions - one through great depression, other, during a time of political/social crisis. one was shot, the other was mildly successful - thanks to the fact that he got elected in an era in which the corporate interests had not realized that things could go not their way, and constant effort was needed for lobbying/control. not to mention mass media or other information mechanisms were not around to effect the measures we talked about in this thread.
im not even touching how their deeds were speedily undone or trivialized.
catching the negative mechanism unawares at times, is possible, yes. however that does not make it a rule.
Quote:None in the corporate world were mentioned. But then, the modern multi-national corporation is a relatively new entity, and Ra wouldn't have commented on that.
multinational corporations were not new in 19th century, even in lincoln's era.
RE: Fukusjima - 3DMonkey - 06-22-2011
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: all are manifestations of orange ray identification behavior.
this is one of the things that greatly plague this planet.
Why so negative towards orange ray energy?
Is it wrong from its inception in your view?
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-22-2011
i love orange ray! Unity's just pissed cuz he doesn't have one.
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-22-2011
(06-22-2011, 07:09 PM)unity100 Wrote:(06-22-2011, 07:01 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: It's an evolutionary trait to view one's responsibility to protect one's tribe as more important than protecting any other-selves, especially a larger group of other-selves. Unconditional love is unconditional love; being part of your family is a condition. Loving someone more because they are naturally of that condition isn't unconditional.
thats a very sharp and clear way of putting it.
Quote:But who can honestly say they are free of this orange-ray behavior though? Who can say their love for their children is equal to that of their neighbor? Or their community? Or someone, some random part of creation, that they don't even know?
I don't think that's a lesson required for us to learn in 3rd density.
then, maybe it is one of the lessons of 3rd density ? the density which requires opening up the 3rd chakra (yellow - 'there are others than me, how do i behave to them') to the full ?
holding back yellow from any entity that is considered 'not of the herd' would constitute holding back that chakra.
I've meditated on this a bit. I cannot reconcile the evolutionary behavior with unconditional love, green ray.
But you make an interesting point about yellow ray, realizing self separate from others, and how to treat those others. Unconditional/universal love is of green ray, so wouldn't conditional loving be more considered a blockage of the green ray? Rather, holding back yellow from others could be seen manifesting as completely ignoring needs of others with no consideration given.
Taking Monica's example (I hope you don't mind Monica
), while doing her job she realized other-selves were being "controlled" in a sense. If she had a yellow-ray blockage, I would assume she wouldn't even consider this a problem because what she was doing was procuring resources for her tribe, and she would ignore the side-effect. Having opened yellow, she realized the problem and attempted to free the entities from control. From here she went to green-ray, and met her blockage, reverting to protection of her tribe over universal love.She offered her yellow-ray, in acknowledging the other-selves' struggle and attempting to rectify it.
Now, as I understand it, our density requires us to open yellow, but not necessarily prefect green. Acknowledging other-selves as deserving of love (STO) or acknowledging self as deserving of love through manipulation of others (STS) could open yellow. Acknowledging other-selves as deserving unconditional love, and living this acknowledgment, would open up green completely. I have a feeling it is a lesson we start to learn in this density, and will have to perfect in the next.
I'm in agreement with you about the Law of Responsibility. No doubt all of us are doing things in this very incarnation that we'll have to rectify sooner or later. But I'm okay with that. To take an example from another thread, Thomas Jefferson had slaves, but fought for abolition. There is still karma involved in his slave-owning acts, despite his fight for abolition. As an occasional meat-eater, I accept the idea that I am responsible for the deaths of other-selves to sustain me. I know that my immense love and appreciation along with my actions taken to ensure the suffering of these other-selves ends, will not completely rectify my actions of eating meat, and I suspect I will spend some time in other lives balancing these acts.
RE: Fukusjima - Monica - 06-22-2011
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: in case you are aware, 51% positive vibrations means you opened your energy centers up to 51%, with yellow being in the open. and if yellow is open, that would mean non-discrimination.
Are you saying yellow would be 100% open, or 51+% open, to be harvestable?
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: in addition, elitism and similar concepts are associated with negativity, and its mechanism.
It's a continuum. Just as we must individuate in 2D, in order to be harvestable to 3D, and then unify in 4D, so too must we first learn to love family, and then move beyond that, to love all.
That's not elitism. It's just the path of evolution. Sure, it would be nice to instantly love everyone, but that's not how it works. We have to start loving, and it probably doesn't matter whom we love, as long as we love.
To say, "My child is more important than your child" is elitism. My child isn't any more important than any other child.
To say, "I love my child more than I love your child" is simply a fact. We are in 3D. That's where we're at. It's unreasonable to expect that we love everyone equally, when we are veiled.
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: also, during harvest, do you think that the harvest is going to happen in a family context, and the situation of the entity will not be measured out of that context ?
No, but that's irrelevant. We have families in the here and now, and there's a reason for that.
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: not to mention that, the very concept 'family' is an orange concept that involves identification with some number of people more than others. in short, its an orange ray identification involvement.
Addressed above. Part of the process.
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:Agreed. However, here is a point I think you're missing:
What might appear as 'justification' might actually be responsibility in another area of life.
You just used the word 'serve.' If one is serving, then one is acting in an STO capacity. This person has a responsibility to serve, to choose STO actions. Thus, that too is a responsibility. Therefore, if that person, say, quit her job, which resulted in neglecting her children, then she has just traded one responsibility for another.
you can take the word 'serve' in positive emissions context. those two are not separable from each other.
there will not be 'family' mental context during harvest measurement. it is a mental bias pertaining to this planet.
You still seem to have missed my point. What about the responsibility of the mother in taking care of her children?
You stated that she should quit her job. If that leaves her unable to pay her rent, and she and her children are then homeless and unable to get health care, healthy food, or other basic necessities, isn't that failing to meet the responsibilities of serving/taking care of her children?
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: im saying that it seems so. for, anyone who is participating in anything, knowingly or unknowingly (conscious or unconscious knowing or unknowing dont differ in this context) are still affected by the results of their actions.
We know that intention plays a role in whether we polarize. (See Ra's comments about FDR.)
Why wouldn't intention also play a role in responsibility?
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: yes, it does. but, it seems to involve more direct, fast manifestations of the law of responsibility in individual's own life. rather than participation in the orange system reducing your lifespan not from 900 to 40, but 900 to 140.
OK. I'll go along with that. But I still contend that responsibility comes with awareness. I don't think my cat is responsible for the bird he just killed, because he is a cat, and it's natural for cats to kill birds. That is where he's at in his development.
A human who kills birds bears much more responsibility for that action.
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:But neglecting her children is also a negative act. How is this reconciled?
the positively oriented entity would choose a route that would attempt to not neglect anyone, even if that route is not wise or feasible.
OK fair enough. I'll agree with that. That is exactly what I did, when I chose a livelihood that helps others, instead of harming others. I shouldn't have to hurt someone else, in order to take care of my own.
However, such decisions often take time to manifest. While working on manifesting a better job or business, I contend that a mother's first responsibility is for her own children. Never mind that in the higher densities there are no family affiliations; right here, right now, in 3D we have family responsibilities.
Because of the veil, it's impossible for each of us to bear 100% responsibility for all other-selves. My neighbor let her children ride in the car without seat belts, and ride their bikes without helmets. I chose differently for my child. But I cannot picket her house until she changes according to what I think she should do. All I can do is raise my own child according to my highest principles, and hopefully raise my neighbor's awareness in any way I can.
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: are you aware that the established companies have long been in the process of subduing those corporations and models ? and some are the things you are interested in ? like natural food products ? im not even mentioning anything about what is going on in the world of information technology, patents, or internet.
Of course I'm aware! We've been fighting the established medical system, drug companies, etc. for decades.
But the established corporations are failing to stop the new wave. The new paradigm is taking hold. The new companies are growing. And people are waking up, in droves!
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: both entities were able to get into power in outstanding conditions
So near the Harvest, it could be argued that we too are living in 'outstanding conditions.' So it's not far-fetched to entertain the notion that we could have some STO entities in our midst, in the political arena.
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: catching the negative mechanism unawares at times, is possible, yes. however that does not make it a rule.
Agreed. I'm just saying there could be others, not mentioned by Ra.
(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: multinational corporations were not new in 19th century, even in lincoln's era.
Are you saying that multinational corporations existed even before Lincoln's time? If so, I didn't know that. I thought corporations were a recent phenomenon. They certainly weren't in the same form as now, with as much power as now.
RE: Fukusjima - 3DMonkey - 06-22-2011
So many different mixtures of colors http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is_AV7bGbT8
Our energies mix amongst themselves and then mix with others and then mix with Earth's....
'I am yellow. Now I am orange. Now yellow. Now blue.', it is not so cut and dried. These colors we energize throughout our day in different ways. It's not a filing system for every action to be categorized.
I'm just saying. Love you all.
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-22-2011
(06-22-2011, 10:04 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: 'I am yellow. Now I am orange. Now yellow. Now blue.', it is not so cut and dried. These colors we energize throughout our day in different ways. It's not a filing system for every action to be categorized.
Actions can be seen as having certain amounts of awareness, pulling energy from certain or multiple energy centers. Example, someone acting in a way which is obviously not unconditionally loving, has a blockage in the green ray. It might not be as cut and dry as we're basically discussing here, but it is a system, and we can categorize thoughts and actions based on open/blocked chakras, especially lower chakras. Otherwise we would never know where our own blockages were or how to unblock them.
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-22-2011
yellow is not better than orange. s'all i'm sayin
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-22-2011
None are "better" than the other. There's nothing "wrong" with having blockages. Judgement is different from inspection.
I hope you don't feel like anyone here is judging you because you believe yourself to have blockages. Everyone is working on their own stuff in their own incarnation, no one expects anyone else to be at any certain level. You are loved no matter where you think your blockages lie Ocean
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-22-2011
i don't believe myself to have blockages. i don't view loving some more than others as a blockage. i view it as appropriate.
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-22-2011
I don't get it, I'm almost positive I've seen you talk about where you believe your blockages lie in other threads?
Forget I said anything.
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-22-2011
yeah but i don't mean this is a blockage.
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-22-2011
I see.
I personally feel what we're talking about here is a blockage in green that I doubt any of us could say honestly we're free of. I don't think it's a complete blockage which prevents us from working with our upper chakras (rather, minimizing the effect of upper chakra work), but applying conditions to love automatically breaks the nature unconditional love. I'm afraid that loving one more than another because of their condition cannot be called unconditional.
If you disagree that's fine, although I'd be interested in hearing your logic behind loving some above others as being unconditional if you care to explain.
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-22-2011
i take exception to the term blockage. it is a negative term imo.
RE: Fukusjima - zenmaster - 06-22-2011
not accepting the term blockage is a blockage
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-22-2011
i did not say it was unconditional. i'm not gonna explain why i think conditional love is good, cuz it's a personal thing and i don't wanna argue about it. i just don't like it when people call something a blockage like it's some sewer clump. when it's something awesome. if you wanna be all loving all dancing crap of the world you do that, i want the focus 3D affords me and that's not less than.
not accepting the term blockage is a way to express a part of the creator through a particular lens, and that's a beautiful thing.
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-22-2011
I see that you still perceive judgement and negativity where there is none intended, so I'll bow out. Goodnight.
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-22-2011
i perceive judgement with the term blockage.
RE: Fukusjima - unity100 - 06-23-2011
http://www.myweathertech.com/2011/06/22/fukushima-nuclear-fuel-leaking-into-groundwater-tepco-says-barrier-too-expensive-will-hurt-stock-price/+
Quote:Japan is reporting that Fukushima nuclear fuel has burned through the containment vessel and is sitting on the concrete foundation of the plant leaking into the groundwater. TEPCO says an underground barrier needed to stop the molten lava from spreading in groundwater will cost too much money and will hurt their stock price.
Hiroaki Koide, an assistant professor at the Kyoto University says melted fuel from inside the Fukushima nuclear reactor has melted through the containment vessel and is lying on the concrete foundations, sinking into the ground below. Japanese government officials have echoed this statement and have called on TEPCO to build an underground concrete barrier beneath the reactor which would be the only way to stop the molten fuel that is now leaking into the groundwater.
TEPCO so far is refusing to do so because the cost of the project will be over 100 billion yen. TEPCO is debating whether containing the radiation is worth more than its stock price resisting call to build the barrier because agreeing to the plan would make the company appear to have excess liabilities which would in turn cause their stock price to drop.
(06-22-2011, 10:03 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Are you saying yellow would be 100% open, or 51+% open, to be harvestable?
since it is 51% of entire energy of the entity, red, orange, yellow at least should be open. it leaves 3 other chakras - green, blue, indigo.
doing red, orange, yellow and moving into green with 1% seems to be the thing, as far as i understood.
even if we say that any random chakra open to make 51%, the yellow chakra is a chakra that determines the choice in principle - ie what do i do to others - so, it will probably need to be open to define the attitude of the entity towards others.
Quote:It's a continuum. Just as we must individuate in 2D, in order to be harvestable to 3D, and then unify in 4D, so too must we first learn to love family, and then move beyond that, to love all.
That's not elitism. It's just the path of evolution. Sure, it would be nice to instantly love everyone, but that's not how it works. We have to start loving, and it probably doesn't matter whom we love, as long as we love.
that's something that needs to happen in late 2d. not late 3d.
Quote:To say, "My child is more important than your child" is elitism. My child isn't any more important than any other child.
To say, "I love my child more than I love your child" is simply a fact. We are in 3D. That's where we're at. It's unreasonable to expect that we love everyone equally, when we are veiled.
even in this orange blocked world there are tribes and societies which treat anyone's child as anyone's child, and mothers who treat anyone's child as their child.
if you look at the general spiritual literature and channelings for info regarding how some entities lived in their past in positive settings (not in this planet), or currently living, you will see the same pattern.
Quote:(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: also, during harvest, do you think that the harvest is going to happen in a family context, and the situation of the entity will not be measured out of that context ?
No, but that's irrelevant. We have families in the here and now, and there's a reason for that.
it is not irrelevant for an entity that needs to undergo harvest. i dont even know how to respond to 'and there's a reason for that' -> for everything there is a reason but that doesnt make it compatible with any particular path an entity may be wanting to follow.
Quote:(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: not to mention that, the very concept 'family' is an orange concept that involves identification with some number of people more than others. in short, its an orange ray identification involvement.
Addressed above. Part of the process.
in 2d.
Quote:You still seem to have missed my point. What about the responsibility of the mother in taking care of her children?
You stated that she should quit her job. If that leaves her unable to pay her rent, and she and her children are then homeless and unable to get health care, healthy food, or other basic necessities, isn't that failing to meet the responsibilities of serving/taking care of her children?
its her responsibility to find a way to do both.
Quote:(06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: im saying that it seems so. for, anyone who is participating in anything, knowingly or unknowingly (conscious or unconscious knowing or unknowing dont differ in this context) are still affected by the results of their actions.
We know that intention plays a role in whether we polarize. (See Ra's comments about FDR.)
Why wouldn't intention also play a role in responsibility?
let me ask you why it should ?
law of responsibility is something that stems from simple action-reaction. any action is a reaction.
Quote:OK. I'll go along with that. But I still contend that responsibility comes with awareness. I don't think my cat is responsible for the bird he just killed, because he is a cat, and it's natural for cats to kill birds. That is where he's at in his development.
A human who kills birds bears much more responsibility for that action.
there is no differentiation in the eyes of existential mechanics like 'he is just...'. your cat still killed another 2d entity, and that set out dynamics in that direction. those dynamics fill return to your cat eventually.
one would wonder at this point why there is so much brutal killing of 2d entities in 2d on this planet.
Quote:However, such decisions often take time to manifest. While working on manifesting a better job or business, I contend that a mother's first responsibility is for her own children. Never mind that in the higher densities there are no family affiliations; right here, right now, in 3D we have family responsibilities.
that mother is free to choose how to handle her responsibility. however, even if intentions and situations may change the response of higher self, complex totality, or social memory complex or its totality towards her act, law of responsibility will still act indiscriminately.
Quote:Are you saying that multinational corporations existed even before Lincoln's time? If so, I didn't know that. I thought corporations were a recent phenomenon. They certainly weren't in the same form as now, with as much power as now.
there were multinational corporations, despite you could not legally say they were multinational in legal sense like today - there wasnt an east india company india as in a business entity in india, but east india company was doing business from india to london and usa. there were other, smaller globe spanning corporations doing business in all parts of the world. the employment of locals, other nationals was low, however present to some degree.
(06-22-2011, 10:27 PM)Oceania Wrote: yellow is not better than orange. s'all i'm sayin
yellow is mandatory over and with orange, in 3d. each density puts its own existence like a brick to earlier density's existence, and the building rises as such.
RE: Fukusjima - 3DMonkey - 06-23-2011
(06-22-2011, 11:22 PM)zenmaster Wrote: not accepting the term blockage is a blockage
not allowing someone to not accept the term blockage is a blockage
I'm totally joking
RE: Fukusjima - zenmaster - 06-23-2011
(06-23-2011, 08:58 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:So was I.(06-22-2011, 11:22 PM)zenmaster Wrote: not accepting the term blockage is a blockage
not allowing someone to not accept the term blockage is a blockage
I'm totally joking
RE: Fukusjima - 3DMonkey - 06-23-2011
(06-22-2011, 10:39 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: None are "better" than the other. There's nothing "wrong" with having blockages. Judgement is different from inspection.
I hope you don't feel like anyone here is judging you because you believe yourself to have blockages. Everyone is working on their own stuff in their own incarnation, no one expects anyone else to be at any certain level. You are loved no matter where you think your blockages lie Ocean
Interesting how that convo developed...(how did it become about Ocean?)
My point, I think, was that this constant inspection of groups of people and their philosophical placements within the context of a particular energy ray vibration is very faulty. I wasn't thinking it, but since you say it, it does fall into judgement of groups.
The irony, to me, is the idea of knowing what is best for a group and the idea that one could assess a group's energy ray expression is very orange ray in nature. Not that there is anything wrong with that except I do see judgement against the expression of orange ray at the same time it is being expressed. Ironic and worth pointing out, I think.
RE: Fukusjima - zenmaster - 06-23-2011
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Quote: TEPCO says an underground barrier needed to stop the molten lava from spreading in groundwater will cost too much money and will hurt their stock price.Here's the source article:
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/perspectives/news/20110620p2a00m0na005000c.html
If this delay is not due to a technical issue, that's just sad.
RE: Fukusjima - Richard - 06-23-2011
Monica wrote:
"...But, once we awaken, we begin to realize that we are conscious beings and have the power, to some extent, to shape our reality. I say "to some extent" because we're all trapped here in 3D, and subject to consensual reality. But, at the same time, we can begin to make different choices, and manifest different realities.
So, I wouldn't judge the hard-working mother who is struggling to support her family. I wouldn't expect her to just quit her job, and allow her children to suffer, especially when her losing her job accomplished nothing. But, I would hope that she would begin to consciously work towards a different livelihood, that is in alignment with her highest principles. Everyone CAN do this. Maybe not overnight. But they CAN do it.
(Yesterday 02:50 PM)Richard Wrote: To each their own, I guess. I won't judge another by their choices in life. They probably made them for many reasons they are aware of...and for some they aren't aware of. As all of us do.
Like abridgetoofar, I too am wondering whether you read all of our posts. I invite you to re-read posts # 64,66,68 and 73...."
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I'm wondering if you read my original posts. I distinctly stated that I was not defending nay organization in particular. But somehow its gotten twisted in here that I'm defending FOX against you guys. I could care less about FOX, CNN, MSNBC..whatever.
Unity made the blanket statement that ALL news organizations were STS and could not be trusted. I said that wasn't necessarily so. And that I don't believe a single CEO controls integrity of individuals to the degree he was talking in that even the local news affiliates can't be trusted because they are associated with the STS biggie...and it all cascaded from there.
But, that said....It just seems that Bring 4th has evolved into a much different entity than what it was when you guys threw the doors open. I've been feeling this for quite some time and perhaps I've let that frustration show in this conversation.
I need to step out for a bit and rebalance.
Richard
RE: Fukusjima - unity100 - 06-23-2011
(06-23-2011, 10:22 AM)Richard Wrote: Unity made the blanket statement that ALL news organizations were STS and could not be trusted. I said that wasn't necessarily so.
i havent said 'all' news organizations - big, far-reaching organizations. the organizations which have the power to affect the perception of the public, cannot be left to themselves, by the powers that be. actually, a goodly number of these were founded by the corporations linked to those parties.
a good example is how amazon, paypal, visa et al have been made to cut any kind of donations/funding to wikileaks.
Quote:And that I don't believe a single CEO controls integrity of individuals to the degree he was talking in that even the local news affiliates can't be trusted because they are associated with the STS biggie...and it all cascaded from there.
similar to above. your local affiliate may be positively oriented, however, if any news it is bringing is damaging to the interests of the megacorporation holders, those news wont find their way to national level. and if the local positive affiliate gets too harmful in your locale, it will be dealt with through usual means of removal/incapacitation which we call in general, 'business'.