Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities

[Ocean]

i came here via Wilcock, i have not read all of the Ra material, i'm doing it on my own time frame, as my concentration and intuition allows. i literally did not know about any of this stuff some months ago. i'm a total newbie and i'm learning as fast as i can. i have many things going at the same time cuz i don't think linearly. but thank you for that quote. i'm sorry if i ask too many questions without doing my homework.

i've never *felt* it necessary for me to have a body, it's so hard to take care of. i can't wait for the day when i get a 4th density one.

[Ens Entium]

I came across L/L Research via wilcock's repeated references to the Law of One material. This was in .. about august, and i started posting here in october. I'm a slow reader and i managed to get to about the 65th session by then. So it goes more quickly than you might think. It's a wonderful thing to get into .

I can see you're a very active poster, and they're good , so i appreciate your willingness to share. Keep it up.

Incidentally, the discussion we've been having on this thread has been a reminder that you will have a physical body in addition to the wonderful electrical body that you will, mainly, operate and experience from. In fact, Ra mentions that taking time to tend to the body (eat) is catalyst in 4d as it tests patience, as one is taking time away from more, apparently, 'non-trivial' pursuits. So, hehe, looks like you're already there in that respect.

[Ocean]

hehe, eep. i have such trouble with that catalyst. the trivial stuff. eating, chores etc.

[3DMonkey]

i've never *felt* it necessary for me to have a body, it's so hard to take care of. i can't wait for the day when i get a 4th density one.

the grass is always greener.

.....She said with a convincing smile

[Ocean]

lol.

[hogey11]

there seems to be great resistance to the idea of death on average. for some reason.

I feel it is because many view death as destruction. Even having faith in LOO teachings, some might find it disconcerting to ultimately shed your personality.

I would like to believe that once it's gone, we'll realize the physical personality is more constricting and it will be a relief to be free of it (until our next incarnation).

curious part is, even those people who speak of being 'one' or 'i am' or 'everything' seem to exhibit that resistance.

I think my own fascination with it is due to the fact that the more I look into it, the more apparent it is seeming that 3D is not a physical setting any way, shape, or form; it is a perception.

There are two major things that come into play here, imo. First, Ra seems to be fairly sure when the channelings happened that the world would suffer some sort of cataclysm at harvest. Ra was not confident that we would see a majority harvest, and saw the earth disposing of us before the start of 4D with some sort of catastrophe. From my readings of this board, I have since seen the readings from Q'uo, stating that due to the large number of wanderers incarnating over the last 30 years, the earth's cataclysm had been averted, and instead we would suffer a few small ones instead.

On a small tangent, I checked out world population numbers from 1982 to 2010. In 1982, we had somewhere over 4 billion people on the planet. Coming into this year, that number has jumped to nearly 7 billion. If we are to take Q'uo in consideration, doesn't it all make sense? We've nearly doubled the population of earth in 30 years, and if Ra is to be believed, most of those entities incarnating are among the highest on the vibrational spectrum as they come to witness the harvest. The numbers make sense in terms of the earth coming together in a way that might not be completely apparent to Ra when the original readings were given.

We know from Ra that during the transitional period, the yellow sphere will start to fade into potentiation as the green sphere fully activates. We also know that the reason this happens is simply because we will not be able to maintain the illusion of 3D once we've fully immersed into 4D. The wording of this passage, to myself, makes it clear that Ra is speaking of a state of mind rather than a physical existence. There is a text in which Ra states that the yellow sphere will be empty for a time as we "unlock" our 4D bodies, but that doesn't necessarily include the 1st and 2nd density as well. It might have been rolled up in Ra's prediction that we were gonna see apocalypse, without knowing the sheer number of souls that were scheduled to come help with harvest.

It may be that our self-awareness leaves us as we start to perceive the world differently in 4D; we no longer see ourselves as individuals because we cannot hide our thoughts and emotions from others. This continues until we find our true selves/personality and fully embrace 4D perhaps...


In terms of the electrical body, I am not sure if this means the emergence of a spiritual/psychic body of some form or a change to our current bodies. I once read a fascinating article on autistic children possibly being the next evolution of human being due to how their brains are almost "fused" together... makes me wonder - are these our 4D entities on earth now, patiently waiting for harvest as they have to put up with 3D with great difficulty? I'm sorry if that's offensive to anyone who is personally affected, but its just a thought...

Sorry, more on this quick: We know that 4D vibrations started in 1937 from Ra, right? Check this out from wikipedia, history section of autism:

The word autism first took its modern sense in 1938 when Hans Asperger of the Vienna University Hospital adopted Bleuler's terminology autistic psychopaths in a lecture in German about child psychology. Asperger was investigating an ASD now known as Asperger syndrome, though for various reasons it was not widely recognized as a separate diagnosis until 1981. Leo Kanner of the Johns Hopkins Hospital first used autism in its modern sense in English when he introduced the label early infantile autism in a 1943 report of 11 children with striking behavioral similarities.

So autism came into "existence" in 1938... Interesting. I'll leave it at that.

The other thing I was thinking was that I wonder if electrical could possibly be a reference to biotechnology? Nanomedicine/machines that are built to keep us alive and well or something like that... meh.

[unity100]

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curious part is, even those people who speak of being 'one' or 'i am' or 'everything' seem to exhibit that resistance.
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What sort of exhibited displays do you refer to?[/quote]

whenever the possibility of death is talked, they start to avoid the possibility, trying to formulate ways around the prospect via a lot of means. it can go to the extent of believing everyone will instantly turn into great balls of light and so on. intellectually, and in the same discussion where they propose that 'i am' or something.

im talking about spiritually inclined people here.

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I have a comment about displays by "those people" who exhibit resistance within a close brush with death. I ask for clarity before I assume we are thinking of the same exhibited displays.
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i dont think so. i was meaning the spiritual talk that happens here and there.

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i came here via Wilcock, i have not read all of the Ra material, i'm doing it on my own time frame, as my concentration and intuition allows.
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I'm a slow reader and i managed to get to about the 65th session by then. So it goes more quickly than you might think. It's a wonderful thing to get into Smile[/quote]

then you should print out all the books that l/l provides through their libraries as pdf, and then read them in a calm, silent place alone.

or you can get the books, which will probably be cheaper in regard to printer cartridge and paper. but, printing the pdfs allows you to print the books as big as you can, for legibility.

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Incidentally, the discussion we've been having on this thread has been a reminder that you will have a physical body in addition to the wonderful electrical body that you will, mainly, operate and experience from. In fact, Ra mentions that taking time to tend to the body (eat) is catalyst in 4d as it tests patience, as one is taking time away from more, apparently, 'non-trivial' pursuits. So, hehe, looks like you're already there in that respect.
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3-4d bodies seem to be in one package. there are no seperate 4d bodies. the body in question is able to live in 3d environment, and do not get disrupted electrically when facing 4d environment or 4d phenomenon.

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There are two major things that come into play here, imo. First, Ra seems to be fairly sure when the channelings happened that the world would suffer some sort of cataclysm at harvest. Ra was not confident that we would see a majority harvest, and saw the earth disposing of us before the start of 4D with some sort of catastrophe. From my readings of this board, I have since seen the readings from Q'uo, stating that due to the large number of wanderers incarnating over the last 30 years, the earth's cataclysm had been averted, and instead we would suffer a few small ones instead.[/quote]

a sudden axis shift or similar that would decimate entire population may have been averted, and it seems so. but that doesnt mean that the world as we know it wont get shattered. we are in last tzolkin of mayan calendar, and in the 6 months ahead we may see a lot of stuff like the japan case that will change the world fundamentally - not only physically, but socially too.

and in another sidenote, this may be a necessity for the newly forming 4d understanding and groups to be able to live with their own philosophy and rules instead of the established hierarchical one that is on this planet.

[Ens Entium]

3-4d bodies seem to be in one package. there are no seperate 4d bodies. the body in question is able to live in 3d environment, and do not get disrupted electrically when facing 4d environment or 4d phenomenon.

Maybe i wasnt clear, i was talking about the full 4th density experience. Not dual activated bodies.

and in another sidenote, this may be a necessity for the newly forming 4d understanding and groups to be able to live with their own philosophy and rules instead of the established hierarchical one that is on this planet.

Good point, i think that will more closely associate with a shorter transition period though. More than a century seems adequate time for social structures to change quite a bit, especially with the 'new breed' coming to take up incarnation here.

[unity100]

Good point, i think that will more closely associate with a shorter transition period though. More than a century seems adequate time for social structures to change quite a bit, especially with the 'new breed' coming to take up incarnation here.

may not be. may be too long.

4d vibrations are here since 1937, and in a year or so the planet will get fully aligned with them. if, in this situation, the entities which are already able to perceive and make some use of 4d vibrations in 3-4d bodies are forced to oblige with the negative/self centered ways of living the current society demands, what this would do to at large, leave aside individual results, may not be desirable, due to the 'thoughts become things' nature of 4d.

[zenmaster]

Ra seems to be fairly sure when the channelings happened that the world would suffer some sort of cataclysm at harvest.

1.7 Questioner: Can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality?

Ra: I am Ra. I preferred to wait till this instrument had again reached the proper state of depth of singleness or one-pointedness before we spoke.

The changes are very, very trivial. We do not concern ourselves with the conditions which bring about harvest.

If Ra said that the coming physical planetary changes are very, very trivial, why would you say Ra seems to be fairly sure that the world would suffer some sort of cataclysm?

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Incidentally, the discussion we've been having on this thread has been a reminder that you will have a physical body in addition to the wonderful electrical body that you will, mainly, operate and experience from.

Where does Ra describe the 4D body as an 'electrical body'?

[unity100]

Ra seems to be fairly sure when the channelings happened that the world would suffer some sort of cataclysm at harvest.

1.7 Questioner: Can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality?

Ra: I am Ra. I preferred to wait till this instrument had again reached the proper state of depth of singleness or one-pointedness before we spoke.

The changes are very, very trivial. We do not concern ourselves with the conditions which bring about harvest.

If Ra said that the coming physical planetary changes are very, very trivial, why would you say Ra seems to be fairly sure that the world would suffer some sort of cataclysm?

trivial in the eye of entities that are concerned with harvest, probably, but, not so trivial for those who are on the ground.

the axis alignment of 20 degrees, is not something that would be trivial from our point of view.

but trivial of course, if one looks at the issue from the greater perspective of neverending existence of one's consciousness.

[3DMonkey]

My original thought would not have applied....

i dont think so. i was meaning the spiritual talk that happens here and there.

I would chalk this up to a desire to be bold in faith of spirit accompanied with a lingering reluctance to experience body complex pain or reluctance to imagine loved ones experiencing body complex pain.

I'm not one to think I can skip over the pain part. I like to look just over that necessary part to see that, maybe, my existence carries on. (ball of light or whatnot)

For anyone who is resistant to the idea, there are many near death experience stories to indicate leaving the body is easy. Some look down on the operating table and witness what we might consider disasterous. ..... Although, for counter argument's sake, they do endure all the pain that goes along with recovery when they choose to return to the body. They claim it's worth it. Well, not all, some beg to stay.

[Ens Entium]

Incidentally, the discussion we've been having on this thread has been a reminder that you will have a physical body in addition to the wonderful electrical body that you will, mainly, operate and experience from.

Where does Ra describe the 4D body as an 'electrical body'?

Where did I say Ra said that? i was picking up on what people have said about it being a light body, elecrtical body, etc. The next sentence where i refered to Ra was disconnected from the previous one.

I'm aware that the 'body' that houses the energy centres is refered to sa the electrical body.

Good point, i think that will more closely associate with a shorter transition period though. More than a century seems adequate time for social structures to change quite a bit, especially with the 'new breed' coming to take up incarnation here.

may not be. may be too long.

4d vibrations are here since 1937, and in a year or so the planet will get fully aligned with them. if, in this situation, the entities which are already able to perceive and make some use of 4d vibrations in 3-4d bodies are forced to oblige with the negative/self centered ways of living the current society demands, what this would do to at large, leave aside individual results, may not be desirable, due to the 'thoughts become things' nature of 4d.

I see what you are saying, but i think that as the numbers become even larger, we could possibly see the generational change that we've sometimes in science. That type of thing; where people of this nature gradually get influence.. hopefully to the degree that we see some substantial change.. (crosses fingers)

But you've brought up an interesting point, that the external shocks we experience as disasters and such will likely change us and the society. It seems that many of the green ray attitudes and ways of thinking might need the trigger of adversity to take root in our global society. Also, i think that, to the degree that this world, with its current structures and mass-mind biases, stagnates we will experience more disasters as macro-scale catalyst for change.

[zenmaster]

Incidentally, the discussion we've been having on this thread has been a reminder that you will have a physical body in addition to the wonderful electrical body that you will, mainly, operate and experience from.

Where does Ra describe the 4D body as an 'electrical body'?

Where did I say Ra said that? i was picking up on what people have said about it being a light body, elecrtical body, etc. The next sentence where i refered to Ra was disconnected from the previous one.

OK so just 'rolling with it', so to speak. Sometimes when I see that there are distinctions or qualifications provided, such as of particular body type, I assume this is coming from some knowledge system, such as is related in the Ra material. I realize we all have our own vague intuitive conceptualizations, which mainly serve as place holders or pointers until we bother to investigate or learn about their nature.

[Ocean]

well put zenmaster.

i also read that about autism brains. i think it was mentioned by the beacons. if you talk true silent autistics who fully live in their own world, i dunno if they are in pain, some sources seem to think they're ok, while others don't. these are all channeled entities i trust. so i think the truth lies in the middle, or how you look at it. what do we know really? i know i've had difficulty as have most of us. so probably do they.

that's a good idea unity, about printing the books. thanks. i think the electromagnetic radiation sometimes makes it hard to concentrate. it would be nice to read them on paper in nature or something.

[Ens Entium]

OK so just 'rolling with it', so to speak. Sometimes when I see that there are distinctions or qualifications provided, such as of particular body type, I assume this is coming from some knowledge system, such as is related in the Ra material. I realize we all have our own vague intuitive conceptualizations, which mainly serve as place holders or pointers until we bother to investigate or learn about their nature.

Yeah i hear you.
It's why i mentioned that i'm aware that the 'body' that houses the energy centres is refered to as the electrical body. Q'uo has used this terminology. I did this to communicate that i was not using the word 'electrical body' technically before. As you say, it was just a placeholder to refer to the denser body we inhabit in 4d. i used it because others were using it, refering relatively consistently to the same thing, and i wanted my meaning to come across.

Sorry for any miscommunication.

[hogey11]

A few interesting pieces:

43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.

This also supports the "electrical" body being that of the energy centers rather than of the chemical reactions of the body. I see this possibly being a control thing. If we gain dexterity with our brain similar to what we have in our fingers in 4D, this would make sense. Our brain would no longer work as a soup of chemicals, but instead as a tool of which we have complete control.

Maybe it was I who said Ra said it instead of Q'uo.... i get mixed up sometimes. Sorry!

48.8 The red-ray body is your chemical body. However, it is not the body which you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material of the body, the elemental body without form. This basic unformed material body is important to understand for there are healings which may be carried out by the simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle.

The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. This body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.

The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it.

The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex.

Again, I am going to argue that our transition to 4D will not include the "human" idea of death. It will be a death of an era and a death in our livestyles/worldviews, but it will not be a "Oh God We're all gonnna diiiieeeee!" way, imo. I feel these quotes are clues to this conclusion, although they also very nearly throw a stick in my spokes at the same time.

The first quote explains that our formed body that is situated for life is 2D. When he claims that it rarely goes on to live, I believe Ra means it in a mindless, savage way of life. Now, looking at the third sphere description, I think the last sentence contains all the context. I think what Ra is speaking on in terms of the "physical illusion" is all of the actual, physical things that will become unnecessary once 4D comes into reality. I think Ra is speaking of the aftermath of 4D: money systems breaking down, multi-billion dollar industries being shattered, etc. If we no longer rely on the physical world in the way we did before, we would have to abandon all the things we have put our entire incarnative lives into. I see this as the reason for the allowance of a transition period; this may take a bit of time for some to accept.

In the second quote, I feel Ra expounds on this.

When the third-density goes out of activation and into potentiation that will leave us with a planet that is first, second, and fourth-density. At that time there will be no activated third-density vibrations on this planet. Am I correct in assuming that all third-density vibrations on this planet now are those vibrations that compose the bodily complexes of entities such as we are; that that is the sum total of third-density vibrations on this planet at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. (blah blah blah instrument stuff).

To answer your query, this is incorrect only in that in addition to the mind/body/spirit complexes of third-density there are the artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings which these co-Creators have produced. This is third-density.

I think Ra is speaking of the change in our culture/worldview after hitting 4D rather than a physical destruction of the world. It's more that we're gonna have all this bullshit we just don't need! Entire industries will fall, houses full of crap tailored to physical comfort/mindlessness, all these things... I believe it might mean that these things will become of no value to us, thereby going out of activation along with the yellow sphere. It will "die", so to say as they're use and relevance are ripped away by 4D...

I do think we will all still die. I'm just not sure we're going to do so in some crazy "we all drop dead" moment. I also don't think it will be done in extreme violence. I could be wrong, but a nagging feeling inside me says its not that way....

(full disclosure: My wife and I have a baby on the way, so I may be a little biased towards the current distortions )

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well put zenmaster.

i also read that about autism brains. i think it was mentioned by the beacons. if you talk true silent autistics who fully live in their own world, i dunno if they are in pain, some sources seem to think they're ok, while others don't. these are all channeled entities i trust. so i think the truth lies in the middle, or how you look at it. what do we know really? i know i've had difficulty as have most of us. so probably do they.

I wonder if rather than being channeled entities, they are the 4d entities that are already working on our plane, as Ra suggests was already happening.

When they are "in their own world", maybe they are really in their 4D bodies, helping those around them in ways we cannot measure or understand. Sometimes I wonder if those who have it worst on the autistic spectrum are those being forced to live the most 3D of lives, therefore causing great distress to them. It might also explain the massive jump in autistic births over the last 30-40 years (up to 1 in 1000 families at this point, I believe).

I recently read a book that kinda spoke on this subject but was not aware of the Law of One in any way. It was called "The Horse Boy". About a horse trainer who had a severely autistic son, and one day found that the boy responded to the world much better when he was around animals rather than human situations. He ended up quitting his job and taking his son to a shamanistic tribe in the Andes mountains in Peru, where they work with horses as a sort of spiritual sanctuary. After a bunch of time there, his son came back extremely well adjusted, and the father concluded that his son had spiritual needs that were not being met by the things they were doing for him before. He needed a connection that the animals were able to give him that people could rarely replicate for him, which I think is interesting and has kicked up my interest on this subject. The idea in a nutshell is that autistic people have different or more pronounced spiritual needs, which can be very much ignored in the world of 3D therapy.

I think its just amazing that autistic children were abandoned less than 100 years ago by parents, yet at this point we have discovered savants and many geneticists are trumpeting them as the next evolution of human being. Funny how it changes over the years....

[zenmaster]

A few interesting pieces:

43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.

This also supports the "electrical" body being that of the energy centers rather than of the chemical reactions of the body.

Maybe it was I who said Ra said it instead of Q'uo.... i get mixed up sometimes. Sorry!

I'm surprised that one could interpret Ra's response in that manner. It would clearly seem that the 4D body is also a chemical body (i.e. atomic structures), but of a different 'core vibration'.

Obviously we can see an 'astral' entity's body, but what we call astral is only a 'shadow' from a 3D-mind perspective. We can not see it as it is, unless 1) 'ectoplasm' is furnished, 2) we are perceiving it from a 4d-mind (i.e. 4D time/space or metaphysical), 3) it's an dual-activated or an early 4D body, or 4) the 4D entity is advanced enough in 4D understanding to make part of itself visible - which could mean discomfort for the 4D entity.

I see this possibly being a control thing. If we gain dexterity with our brain similar to what we have in our fingers in 4D, this would make sense. Our brain would no longer work as a soup of chemicals, but instead as a tool of which we have complete control.

I agree that there would be more control of the 4D body from a 4D mind-complex, but apparently such control only exists in potential, initially. The control, like any use of 4D 'intelligent energy' abilities, is a learned skill. It may take many years to discover.

It's interesting that Ra goes so far to matter-of-factly relate the natural consequences of early 4D abilities with respect to this control - as if this learning was a common thing and had particular importance or relevance.

[hogey11]

A few interesting pieces:

43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.

This also supports the "electrical" body being that of the energy centers rather than of the chemical reactions of the body.

Maybe it was I who said Ra said it instead of Q'uo.... i get mixed up sometimes. Sorry!

I'm surprised that one could interpret Ra's response in that manner. It would clearly seem that the 4D body is also a chemical body (i.e. atomic structures), but of a different 'core vibration'.

Obviously we can see an 'astral' entity's body, but what we call astral is only a 'shadow' from a 3D-mind perspective. We can not see it as it is, unless 1) 'ectoplasm' is furnished, 2) we are perceiving it from a 4d-mind (i.e. 4D time/space or metaphysical), 3) it's an dual-activated or an early 4D body, or 4) the 4D entity is advanced enough in 4D understanding to make part of itself visible - which could mean discomfort for the 4D entity.

I see this possibly being a control thing. If we gain dexterity with our brain similar to what we have in our fingers in 4D, this would make sense. Our brain would no longer work as a soup of chemicals, but instead as a tool of which we have complete control.

I agree that there would be more control of the 4D body from a 4D mind-complex, but apparently such control only exists in potential, initially. The control, like any use of 4D 'intelligent energy' abilities, is a learned skill. It may take many years to discover.

It's interesting that Ra goes so far to matter-of-factly relate the natural consequences of early 4D abilities with respect to this control - as if this learning was a common thing and had particular importance or relevance.

I agree with you on both points.

I think my quote mentioned was not very thought out at that point in time. What you are saying make a lot of sense. I think the thing I left out in my first idea is that it seems that we will still use chemicals in the 4D physical vehicle, but different ones and maybe less in total... So i'm down with what you are getting at here.

I will think on all this, you make some great observations. thank you.

[Ocean]

i didn't mean they are channeled entities, i was saying channeled entities have different ways to explain autism. autistics aren't that dissimilar to us, probably just more sensitive to the 3D vibration, and i can't imagine how painful it is for them if for me it's sometimes felt unbearable and i'm not fully autistic. diet also affects them a great deal. when i stopped eating certain foods i got so much better in dealing with the world. i'm glad a lot of parents are now feeding their kids proper food. i think diet and nutrition is like the leading thing now in alternative autism care. a lot of parents are waking up and saying i need to learn myself how things work. instead of relying on doctors. it's making them more empowered, so i think it's a great catalyst. of course then there are those who listen to Autism Speaks which is an organization that just makes money off kids and spreads hateful disinformation. i wish there was more info on the spiritual nature of autism and what it all means, and i wish channeled entities who talk about it would make the distinction on autism and asperger's cuz they only say autism and i dunno if they include the whole diagnostic spectrum of it. cuz obviously some on the spectrum are able to walk talk and therefore probably have more responsibility and ability to polarize. i mean, are the fully autistic ones gonna float through the harvest or heaven forbid get stuck in 3D? are they all readymade for 4D then?

[3DMonkey]

i didn't mean they are channeled entities, i was saying channeled entities have different ways to explain autism. autistics aren't that dissimilar to us, probably just more sensitive to the 3D vibration, and i can't imagine how painful it is for them if for me it's sometimes felt unbearable and i'm not fully autistic. diet also affects them a great deal. when i stopped eating certain foods i got so much better in dealing with the world. i'm glad a lot of parents are now feeding their kids proper food. i think diet and nutrition is like the leading thing now in alternative autism care. a lot of parents are waking up and saying i need to learn myself how things work. instead of relying on doctors. it's making them more empowered, so i think it's a great catalyst. of course then there are those who listen to Autism Speaks which is an organization that just makes money off kids and spreads hateful disinformation. i wish there was more info on the spiritual nature of autism and what it all means, and i wish channeled entities who talk about it would make the distinction on autism and asperger's cuz they only say autism and i dunno if they include the whole diagnostic spectrum of it. cuz obviously some on the spectrum are able to walk talk and therefore probably have more responsibility and ability to polarize. i mean, are the fully autistic ones gonna float through the harvest or heaven forbid get stuck in 3D? are they all readymade for 4D then?

First, I have always felt that every entity will be okay, safe, cared for, alright when harvest happens. I desire that they all be nurtured lovingly through.
Second, you may not think of the following quote as "info on the spiritual nature of autism". In fact, taking the quote as such is fully assuming something that is not stated. Fabricated by me perhaps. At the risk of being controversial, I believe autism is the subject of the spiritual nature described in this quote. I'll put it out there for you to decide. I accept beforehand any disagreement with my supposition.

41.13 Questioner: Is this energy center, then, on a very small scale related to the orange energy center in man?
Ra: I am Ra. The true color is precisely the same. However, the consciousness of the second-density beginning is primitive and the use of orange ray limited to the expression of self which may be seen to be movement and survival.

In third-density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.

The appropriate true color for third-density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.

However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange ray manifestations at this space/time nexus.

Thus true color orange is that which it is without difference. However, the manifestations of this or any ray may be seen to be most various depending upon the vibratory levels and balances of the mind/body or mind/body/spirit complexes which are expressing these energies.

I found the following source describing what is an attempt to help with autism. The help is very similar to the spiritual workings of developing yellow ray described above (in my supposition that it is a reference to autism).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19009353
between 3% and 25% of children reportedly lose their ASD diagnosis and enter the normal range of cognitive, adaptive and social skills.....
Possible mechanisms of recovery include: normalizing input by forcing attention outward or enriching the environment; promoting the reinforcement value of social stimuli; preventing interfering behaviors; mass practice of weak skills; reducing stress and stabilizing arousal. Improving nutrition and sleep quality is non-specifically beneficial.

[unity100]

Again, I am going to argue that our transition to 4D will not include the "human" idea of death. It will be a death of an era and a death in our livestyles/worldviews, but it will not be a "Oh God We're all gonnna diiiieeeee!" way, imo. I feel these quotes are clues to this conclusion, although they also very nearly throw a stick in my spokes at the same time.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#13

63.13 Questioner: Now these entities incarnate into a third-density vibratory body. I am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third to fourth-density. I will take the example of one of these entities of which we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. He will grow older and then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.

This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third-density necessities.

[Ocean]

that's interesting Monkey. it does sound like autism.

i'm of the opinion the latter quote sounds like the cruel methods of normals forcing autistics to not be autistic, without understanding if that is healthy or beneficial to the autistic. noone should be forcing anything. i always get so mad when i read about people hassling autistics to be this or do that when they have no idea what autism is. i guess that's the indigo in me.

[3DMonkey]

I understand Ocean. I'm curious that you have a story to tell.

Broadstroking labels from scientific professionals that are formulated methods of an impersonal nature have severe drawbacks to practical applications. I doubt every volunteer or relative of autism would please me with their approach. I know there must be caring people who agree with you that are helping as well. I know you know that too. And we probably agree that it is all part of the grand scheme of the logos

[Ocean]

yes. on all counts.

as for my story, i've just always reacted strongly to people trying to pull some crap on me with authority. it has been said indigos came here to bust the system, and i certainly have that in me in regards to someone doing that in an unfair manner. like teachers and parents telling kids what to do. older people only have that right when it is clearly an issue of boundaries or safety. at no other time can they tell kids what to do.

now, i don't get to judge those people, but i guess everyone feels protective of animals and kids.

[hogey11]

Great find, 3DMonkey! I hadn't read that quote in that context. I think you are on the right track with that explanation. It would make sense with the date too if we first started receiving 4D vibrations in 1937. It also works within the framework of the story I was speaking of, in that most animals are orange-ray in nature. Very cool to think about.

@Unity100... I guess my issue is not with the idea that our 3D self will die; my questions are more in regards to what it means in respect to the complete picture. Why does Ra make it very clear each time he is speaking of the yellow sphere specifically? He mentions no end of the red or orange spheres in any way, and differentiates the yellow from the green as a difference of perception? An inability to understand the world without the 4D lens is what will end the 3rd density, according to that quote. Take this part for example:

This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

What if we are to take "electrically aware" and "electrical fields" to be brain configurations and derivatives thereof? It could be what Ra is saying is that once we "learn" to think in 4D, going back to 3D is impossible. Once our brains switch over to 4D, we will not be able to go back to being confused again. This could be the "death" of the yellow ray body, if taken in this context.

Additionally, I feel like Ra is being too straightforward with their handling of death. I have found in my own readings that Ra seems to be almost "catalytic" in thier discussion of death throughout the LOO. They know that death/mortality is our issue; the one thing we really can't get over. For this reason, I get the feeling Ra is challenging us by giving us a very bleak-sounding scenario. However, as we are warned, trust nothing that brings fear, and that's why I question some sort of terrible end to us all.

[unity100]

@Unity100... I guess my issue is not with the idea that our 3D self will die; my questions are more in regards to what it means in respect to the complete picture. Why does Ra make it very clear each time he is speaking of the yellow sphere specifically? He mentions no end of the red or orange spheres in any way, and differentiates the yellow from the green as a difference of perception? An inability to understand the world without the 4D lens is what will end the 3rd density, according to that quote. Take this part for example:

This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

at the end of the very quote, ra says the 3-4d bodies will die according to the necessities of 3d.

Additionally, I feel like Ra is being too straightforward with their handling of death. I have found in my own readings that Ra seems to be almost "catalytic" in thier discussion of death throughout the LOO. They know that death/mortality is our issue; the one thing we really can't get over. For this reason, I get the feeling Ra is challenging us by giving us a very bleak-sounding scenario. However, as we are warned, trust nothing that brings fear, and that's why I question some sort of terrible end to us

what you perceive as 'terrible' is just death, which has happened to all of these people over and over and over and over endless times from 1d to this late 3d life up until now. even when in 4d, there is still life and death, in 5d, there is still life and death, and in 6d, there is still life and death - then only in 7d it stops, with the stopping of reproduction because 'the need to reuse body complexes end'.

its this society's perception that makes death 'terrible' for them.

ra sees this as something that is just trivial, transient and normal. this is explicitly stated even regarding the earth changes, and it is dubbed as 'conditions that bring harvest'.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Additionally, I feel like Ra is being too straightforward with their handling of death. I have found in my own readings that Ra seems to be almost "catalytic" in thier discussion of death throughout the LOO. They know that death/mortality is our issue; the one thing we really can't get over. For this reason, I get the feeling Ra is challenging us by giving us a very bleak-sounding scenario. However, as we are warned, trust nothing that brings fear, and that's why I question some sort of terrible end to us all.

On the other side of the coin, perhaps Ra handled the idea of death in that manner to prompt us to contemplate death. Any fear felt in the reader is the simply the energy behind Ra's words filtered through the reader's "faulty" belief system. If one feel's fear when Ra talks about death in such a straightforward way, then one knows they have beliefs about death that may not be congruent to their true self.

Contemplating in light the circumstances which instilled fear (in this case, talk of death) is a great balancing technique.

We will all take from Ra's words that which serves us best.

[zenmaster]

On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.

[unity100]

On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.

in our modern day and age, people dying of old age spend more pain and suffering due to medical system, disability due to old age, this and that.