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Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-05-2011
We had had discussed this in some detail in densities thread, but i wasnt able to find that thread.
the question was, what was the position of densities compared to each other, and whether they could get in physical contact with each other. in general, what was the difference in between densities, especially 3rd and 4th.
i was looking into the matter for a different question actually - trying to understand whether anything like 'ascension' or 'dimension shift' and so on could happen, as proposed by some sources.
i read the below transcript from quo, which is rather illuminating :
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2010/2010_0213.aspx
what i get from this is, the concept of densities as such exist, but, they occupy the same space/time and time/space. and that, the 3d entities not being able to see 4d entities is an actual phenomenon. i am not so sure about the 'touchability' question, since despite quo pictures 1, 2, 3d as densities that are nested in each other but separate, these densities still can touch and effect each other directly. however quo seems to imply that, physicality of 3d and 4d will be different. this seems rather incompatible with the example they are giving from 1,2,3d. these densities are only separate by physical location, and their time/space. if one moves into another, they collide.
still the below
Quote:It will be a long time before entities who are inhabiting third density will be able to see entities of fourth density. However, they are as real and as physical, shall we say, to themselves and to fourth-density Earth as you are to your Earth.
seems to imply non-collusion in between 3d and 4d materials.
the below quote rather contradicts all the expectations of any kind of 'ascension' or 'dimension shift' too :
Quote:We realize that this is one of the less comfortable or naturally obvious concepts having to do with the concept of densities. It is natural for a person to think that this same Earth upon which your feet make footsteps shall become fourth density and that on this same Earth, fourth density shall take place. However, we would suggest to you that it is much like wanting to take your physical body with you when you pass from physical life upon this planet and hoping to drag what this instrument would call this chemical distillery of a body into fourth density and attempt to lug it around when everyone else is dancing with a much lighter and electrically driven rather than chemically driven body.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Confused - 03-05-2011
(03-05-2011, 05:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: the question was, what was the position of densities compared to each other, and whether they could get in physical contact with each other.
Hi unity100, this is an interesting thread. As we go about developing it, I think it would be useful to start off with first principles such as definition of a density.
Quote:16.45 Questioner: Could you define the word density as we have been using it?
Ra: I am Ra. The term density is a, what you call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, are seven sub-sub-densities. Within each sub-sub-density, seven sub-sub-sub-densities and so on infinitely.
With respect to whether third and fourth can maintain tangible contact, I believe Ra answered that query in the following successive exchanges -
Quote:62.28 Questioner: Then as the fourth-density vibrations come in this means that the planet can support entities of fourth-density core vibration. Will the planet then still be first-density core vibration and will there be second-density entities on it with second-density vibrations, and will there be third-density entities on it with third-density vibrations?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working. There is energy but the distortions of the instrument suggest to us it would be well to shorten this working with your permission.
62.29 Questioner: Yes.
Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth-density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density.
Thus in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.
May we ask at this time if there be any brief queries?
Let me know your thoughts, unity100.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Crimson - 03-05-2011
I do not see how it is possible how yellow ray energy ENTITIES can coexist/exist for more than one generation in a planet that seemingly would be fully activated green...
However...
However, if genetic changes are going to occur via dual activated bodies, it should be a quick process (like 2d to 3d here)...
3d artifacts however will remain...like internet, communication highways...and hopefully this....forum among other types of information.
4d needs bodies to experience 4d...I am assuming those bodies are going to be produced from dual activated ones green ray affecting the proper genetic changes...at least at the beginning.
However, dual activated bodies would need to be incarnated again in full activated 4d bodies.
I think the question is how long these bodies would be fully activated, but this is independent on whether the shift is gradual or rather "ascension" like since "ascension" refers to sudden termination of 3d...and either way, there are dual activated entities that can continue or reincarnate (if sudden) to a complete 4d activated planet (fully).
3d entities would be able to be "compatible" only with dual activated entities for a short while...if no sudden shift. I still do not see, why more than one generation would be needed of 3d unless more time is needed for dual activated bodies to prepare 4d life.
I am not going to worry about 3d 4d compatibility in the future since I believe this has more to do with time-space and different activation levels at space-time level.
Then there are plenty of things to be resolved at the beginning of 4d...like if 3d artifacts remain some are very bad like nuclear weapons?
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All these are my random thoughts....
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-06-2011
what it seems that they are basically saying 100 to 400 years transition.
from this, i understand that people will die normally ?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Confused - 03-06-2011
(03-06-2011, 05:45 AM)unity100 Wrote: what it seems that they are basically saying 100 to 400 years transition.
from this, i understand that people will die normally ?
Hi unity100, I am curious as to whether you are referring here to the LOO quote that I posted.
If yes, I would be interested as to how you reached that conclusion.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-06-2011
ra had had said that 3d bodies will have to die according to necessities of third density.
quo also says the same.
Quote:However, we would suggest to you that it is much like wanting to take your physical body with you when you pass from physical life upon this planet and hoping to drag what this instrument would call this chemical distillery of a body into fourth density and attempt to lug it around when everyone else is dancing with a much lighter and electrically driven rather than chemically driven body.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - zenmaster - 03-06-2011
(03-06-2011, 05:45 AM)unity100 Wrote: what it seems that they are basically saying 100 to 400 years transition.between 100 and 700 years. That's my understanding. The 'quantum leap' to green space/time, occurring between now and a couple of years. After the quantum leap, green material can start building locally from the environment rather than just from thought. After the 'quantum leap', the planet ceases to 'instream' yellow-ray energy. So that yellow-ray goes into potentiation in the natural environment and the yellow-ray sphere would exist 'artificially', mainly from thoughts and re-inforced thoughts depending on ability of peoples to maintain (for a period of 100-700 years) the thoughts (intelligent energy of yellow-ray nature) necessary.
from this, i understand that people will die normally ?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Etude in B Minor - 03-06-2011
I think that dual activated bodies means that there are two bodies, one 3D and one 4D, up and running at the same time. The 4D body will be able to act and perceive in the 4D landscape and the 3D body in the 3D landscape. Perhaps the 4D will not be doing anything most of the time, and only be fully active when the 3D body is asleep and vice versa. When the 3D body dies the 4D body will still be there and will then be fully active in the 4D landscape. So, the dual-activated people now on Earth will live out their 3D lives as usual and then will be fully active in their 4D bodies without going through the usual time/space after death stuff - they will just pick up where they left off in 4D. This could be thought of a sort of ascension, perhaps, but only for the dual-activated people. Wanderers and fully 3D types will have to spend some time in time/space and do the harvest graduation test.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - zenmaster - 03-06-2011
(03-06-2011, 08:38 PM)Etude in B Minor Wrote: When the 3D body dies the 4D body will still be there and will then be fully active in the 4D landscape. So, the dual-activated people now on Earth will live out their 3D lives as usual and then will be fully active in their 4D bodies without going through the usual time/space after death stuff - they will just pick up where they left off in 4D.Could you explain how that could be the case, considering this Q/A?:
Quote:63.14 Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Ankh - 03-07-2011
(03-05-2011, 05:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: the question was, what was the position of densities compared to each other, and whether they could get in physical contact with each other. in general, what was the difference in between densities, especially 3rd and 4th.
i was looking into the matter for a different question actually - trying to understand whether anything like 'ascension' or 'dimension shift' and so on could happen, as proposed by some sources.
what i get from this is, the concept of densities as such exist, but, they occupy the same space/time and time/space. and that, the 3d entities not being able to see 4d entities is an actual phenomenon. i am not so sure about the 'touchability' question, since despite quo pictures 1, 2, 3d as densities that are nested in each other but separate, these densities still can touch and effect each other directly. however quo seems to imply that, physicality of 3d and 4d will be different. this seems rather incompatible with the example they are giving from 1,2,3d. these densities are only separate by physical location, and their time/space. if one moves into another, they collide.
still the below
Quote:It will be a long time before entities who are inhabiting third density will be able to see entities of fourth density. However, they are as real and as physical, shall we say, to themselves and to fourth-density Earth as you are to your Earth.
seems to imply non-collusion in between 3d and 4d materials.
I have a memory, actual memory, not a vision or a dream, as I regard it anyway. I got it as a child. I was moving fast on the surface of the Earth (don't know which Earth). But I was not moving on the 3D surface as I could see that surface as something solid and stable (like a base or foundation, or something). There was another surface, like a layer upon the first one. Actually there were more surfaces, as we moved in some type of space "in between" these two first so to speak, but there is knowledge inside that we could slide in in the second. 3D was very clear, but they could only see their own "surface" so to speak and was uneffected by the "world" (or dimensions) we were into. It is almost impossible to describe, but I will use an analogy. Imagine that you are living on 2 dimensional piece of paper. Then a transparent piece of paper layed upon that first paper with another surface, which is another dimension. This another surface is as real as the first one; anology of transparancy is used due those living on the transparent paper see the both worlds; for these there is no separation or limitations in senses. Though those living in that transparent paper see and live in both worlds they are still invisible to those living on the first 2 dimensional paper, if they chooses so. So it is the same Earth but like with layers upon. The first paper is completly uneffected by others layers. Other layers are even more impossible to describe as these are more advanced and not even fully comprehendable in my own brain. Don't know if this helps.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-07-2011
(03-06-2011, 08:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(03-06-2011, 08:38 PM)Etude in B Minor Wrote: When the 3D body dies the 4D body will still be there and will then be fully active in the 4D landscape. So, the dual-activated people now on Earth will live out their 3D lives as usual and then will be fully active in their 4D bodies without going through the usual time/space after death stuff - they will just pick up where they left off in 4D.Could you explain how that could be the case, considering this Q/A?:
Quote:63.14 Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.
so basically we are all going to die eventually ?
there is also the curious case of the incrementally 4d bodies. in the process of the 4d bodies being produced from 3-4d bodies' reproduction, these bodies would increasingly exhibit 4d characteristics. that is, if the eventual 4d body to be used is going to be arrived at at the end of series of generations. it would be another curious case if 3-4d bodies gave birth to fully 4d bodies in just one go.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - zenmaster - 03-07-2011
(03-07-2011, 05:29 PM)unity100 Wrote:It's quite clear that the dual-activated bodies die just like, and for the same reasons, 3d bodies die. So there is the 'usual time/space after death stuff'. There is no 'pick up where they left off' for the dual activated. After death, they select their next dual-activated birth.(03-06-2011, 08:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(03-06-2011, 08:38 PM)Etude in B Minor Wrote: When the 3D body dies the 4D body will still be there and will then be fully active in the 4D landscape. So, the dual-activated people now on Earth will live out their 3D lives as usual and then will be fully active in their 4D bodies without going through the usual time/space after death stuff - they will just pick up where they left off in 4D.Could you explain how that could be the case, considering this Q/A?:
Quote:63.14 Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.
so basically we are all going to die eventually ?
(03-07-2011, 05:29 PM)unity100 Wrote: there is also the curious case of the incrementally 4d bodies. in the process of the 4d bodies being produced from 3-4d bodies' reproduction, these bodies would increasingly exhibit 4d characteristics. that is, if the eventual 4d body to be used is going to be arrived at at the end of series of generations. it would be another curious case if 3-4d bodies gave birth to fully 4d bodies in just one go.Or if a 3d body gave birth to a full 4d body in one go.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-08-2011
so then what will all the ascension/genetic modification people out there do when it doesnt happen ?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - zenmaster - 03-08-2011
(03-08-2011, 05:11 AM)unity100 Wrote: so then what will all the ascension/genetic modification people out there do when it doesnt happen ?But what's 'it', really? I'm not sure there exists a consensus on anything empirical about 'it'. So perhaps, they will say that 'it' did happen, with some explanation provided. And those that resonate will accept it.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-08-2011
'it' seems to have a lot of forms. ranging from instantly turning into blobs of light en masse to mass dieout or raising through the sky to someplace or dimension shifting of the entire planet and sudden enlightenment and this and that.
..............
tho really - how does a harvest happen ? when harvest happened in 2nd cycle end, manifestations appeared to those 150 people in south america, and told about stuff to them, and gave them a choice. they chose to 'stay'. stay meaning, stay on this planet. what would happen if they did not ?
if those people would just wait to die as normally, why the need to manifest to them in the first place ? why the need to appear ? they could have just died and then harvested. or, they could have been harvested in their sleep ?
and those who were remotely affiliated with that culture, but not harvestable, chose NOT to stay. but they werent harvestable, so they repeated 3d from its highest octave. how did they not stay ? did they die ? and, where did they repeat 3d ? here ? elsewhere ?
'last octave' is a bit important actually - apparently it has to do with the vibrations that are available on a planet. why shouldnt anyone be able to repeat 3d anywhere ? it seems, particular vibrations/conditions are needed for each different octave of 3rd density.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-08-2011
really. the above questions are rather peculiar and important. what do you think about these ?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Bring4th_Austin - 03-08-2011
I have no answers or significant organized thoughts at this point, but definitely some questions...
Following a "gradualist" standpoint, how do we make the change? Is it normal evolution, like 2D to 3D? Ra said this shift happened in a generation and a half, so that means there were changes occurring DURING incarnation. Are our physical bodies simply going to hyper-evolve through the period of (up to) 700 years, and the entities not ready for harvest simply filter out incarnationally?
If this is the case, some of the idea of preparing for physical change makes a little more sense. Pleiadian material talks a lot about our nervous systems going through change, does the electro-magnetic nature of consciousness and our nervous system have to do with these changes? Could these changes be prompted from an outer-source, such as the shift to 4D vibrations?
How can we go from having chemical-heavy bodies to what Q'uo calls "electric" bodies? How do we as a race shed the chemical bodies?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-08-2011
(03-08-2011, 06:23 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I have no answers or significant organized thoughts at this point, but definitely some questions...
Following a "gradualist" standpoint, how do we make the change? Is it normal evolution, like 2D to 3D? Ra said this shift happened in a generation and a half, so that means there were changes occurring DURING incarnation.
that was the passage from 2d bodies to 3d bodies, and it was sped up with the cloned bodies yahweh brought from mars. its not relevant to 4d passage and its also an exception.
Quote:Are our physical bodies simply going to hyper-evolve through the period of (up to) 700 years, and the entities not ready for harvest simply filter out incarnationally?
what Ra says seems to be a gradual reproductive process.
Quote:If this is the case, some of the idea of preparing for physical change makes a little more sense. Pleiadian material talks a lot about our nervous systems going through change, does the electro-magnetic nature of consciousness and our nervous system have to do with these changes? Could these changes be prompted from an outer-source, such as the shift to 4D vibrations?
to be honest, i am thinking as such as well - such preparations for physical change may be pointless in regard to such 'ascension' situations, if we look at what Ra says.
however, those kind of efforts and changes, would have an effect in making the entity more compatible with 4d vibrations, and hence avert some problems and provide comfort in surviving in increasing vibrations. not to mention making it easier for giving birth to increasingly 4d compliant bodies.
Quote:How can we go from having chemical-heavy bodies to what Q'uo calls "electric" bodies? How do we as a race shed the chemical bodies?
if we look at what Ra and quo says, we die, and get born in such a body.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Monica - 03-08-2011
(03-08-2011, 06:23 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: How can we go from having chemical-heavy bodies to what Q'uo calls "electric" bodies? How do we as a race shed the chemical bodies?
My guess is by the use of vibrational medicine (homeopathy, essential oils, etc.), high-vibration diet, energy work, etc. which those who wish to stay for the transition, are being attracted to in droves.
Here are just a few of the many, many books and resources reflecting how huge this movement is. I find this highly significant.
The Body Electric: Electromagnetism And The Foundation Of Life by
Robert Becker, Gary Selden
Vibrational Medicine: The #1 Handbook of Subtle-Energy Therapies by
Richard Gerber M.D.
Survival in the 21st Century: Planetary Healers Manual by
Viktoras H. Kulvinskas
Benefits of high-vibration diet
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Bring4th_Austin - 03-08-2011
(03-08-2011, 07:03 PM)unity100 Wrote:(03-08-2011, 06:23 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I have no answers or significant organized thoughts at this point, but definitely some questions...
Following a "gradualist" standpoint, how do we make the change? Is it normal evolution, like 2D to 3D? Ra said this shift happened in a generation and a half, so that means there were changes occurring DURING incarnation.
that was the passage from 2d bodies to 3d bodies, and it was sped up with the cloned bodies yahweh brought from mars. its not relevant to 4d passage and its also an exception.
Was this information from a Ra or Q'uo session? If so, do you remember the number or date?
Quote:Quote:Are our physical bodies simply going to hyper-evolve through the period of (up to) 700 years, and the entities not ready for harvest simply filter out incarnationally?
what Ra says seems to be a gradual reproductive process.
Quote:How can we go from having chemical-heavy bodies to what Q'uo calls "electric" bodies? How do we as a race shed the chemical bodies?
if we look at what Ra and quo says, we die, and get born in such a body.
Where do the 4D bodies come from? Are they born from 3D parents?
Monica, that's an interesting idea. Are you suggesting that using these things will trigger "standard generational" evolutionary changes? Or literally change our physiology on an individual level?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Monica - 03-08-2011
(03-08-2011, 07:03 PM)unity100 Wrote: those kind of efforts and changes, would have an effect in making the entity more compatible with 4d vibrations, and hence avert some problems and provide comfort in surviving in increasing vibrations. not to mention making it easier for giving birth to increasingly 4d compliant bodies.
Exactly.
(03-08-2011, 09:23 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Monica, that's an interesting idea. Are you suggesting that using these things will trigger "standard generational" evolutionary changes? Or literally change our physiology on an individual level?
Rapid evolutionary changes, within a generation or just a few generations. There is lots more: evidence of DNA changing, the spin of water inside the cells changing from electrolyzed reduced water, slowing down and even reversal of the aging process, etc.
I'll see if I can find some documentation on these things. But a lot of it can be found in the aforementioned books.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - zenmaster - 03-08-2011
(03-08-2011, 10:41 AM)unity100 Wrote: 'last octave' is a bit important actually - apparently it has to do with the vibrations that are available on a planet. why shouldnt anyone be able to repeat 3d anywhere ? it seems, particular vibrations/conditions are needed for each different octave of 3rd density.All the subdensities of a density exist throughout the existence of the density. Being at the last subdensity just means one is capable of accepting that amount of 3rd density 'light'. In other words, one had individuated enough, or now can actualize the much 'love', from what the logos had to offer with regards to the 3rd density blueprint.
If you're a non-wandering adept of 3rd density and harvest comes, you may find yourself past the 1st subdensity of 4th density.
The body follows the mind's lead, and is also the feedback mechanism to the mind. So all this diet stuff would presumably be for the benefit of the mind's acceptance of spirit. It seems almost silly to follow a diet or to follow any technique for that matter, without the conscious intention of having it somehow 'evolve' the mind (shed light on something new through the experience).
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Bring4th_Austin - 03-08-2011
(03-08-2011, 10:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The body follows the mind's lead, and is also the feedback mechanism to the mind. So all this diet stuff would presumably be for the benefit of the mind's acceptance of spirit. It seems almost silly to follow a diet or to follow any technique for that matter, without the conscious intention of having it somehow 'evolve' the mind (shed light on something new through the experience).
So, through these diets and lifestyle techniques, we evolve our mind and our body follows physiologically? Or was that not what you were referring to?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Monica - 03-08-2011
(03-08-2011, 11:19 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: So, through these diets and lifestyle techniques, we evolve our mind and our body follows physiologically? Or was that not what you were referring to?
Not sure what zenmaster was referring to, but I think it works both ways. Eating lighter, utilizing vibrational healing modalities, energy practices like yoga etc. all help facilitate the evolution of the mind, and, conversely, the mind affects the body as well.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - zenmaster - 03-09-2011
(03-08-2011, 11:19 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:Yes it does. But what I was referring to specifically was that doing techniques and diets for 'benifit' should cause a beneficial effect in the mind. For example, making you more congruent with yourself or capable of accepting more.(03-08-2011, 10:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The body follows the mind's lead, and is also the feedback mechanism to the mind. So all this diet stuff would presumably be for the benefit of the mind's acceptance of spirit. It seems almost silly to follow a diet or to follow any technique for that matter, without the conscious intention of having it somehow 'evolve' the mind (shed light on something new through the experience).
So, through these diets and lifestyle techniques, we evolve our mind and our body follows physiologically? Or was that not what you were referring to?
Eventually, we tend to pick those things that we perceive are helpful. These things simply tend to offer the things (disciplines, ideologies, nutrients, etc) that we lack or that serve to balance other distortions we've created. When they work for us, or we think they've changed us for the better, we tend to promote them with others as a beneficial lifestyle choice.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Bring4th_Austin - 03-09-2011
(03-08-2011, 11:37 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Not sure what zenmaster was referring to, but I think it works both ways. Eating lighter, utilizing vibrational healing modalities, energy practices like yoga etc. all help facilitate the evolution of the mind, and, conversely, the mind affects the body as well.
(03-09-2011, 12:19 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Eventually, we tend to pick those things that we perceive are helpful. These things simply tend to offer the things (disciplines, ideologies, nutrients, etc) that we lack or that serve to balance other distortions we've created. When they work for us, or we think they've changed us for the better, we tend to promote them with others as a beneficial lifestyle choice.
Thank you all for your help in understanding. I am still a little unclear on one aspect of how we will end up with 4D bodies, physiologically different from ours, to incarnate into.
I'd imagine these new 4D bodies will function much different from our "chemical distilleries." How can these changes be implemented without interrupting the intricate processes of our chemical bodies? It's hard for me to imagine how simple diets and lifestyle changes will be enough to facilitate such large changes, even over 700 years. If this is really the case, can I assume that this is typical of a 4D positive harvest? The societies naturally choose lifestyles that spur 4D evolution...can there be such a guarantee? If 4D arrives like clockwork, how can a society with free will be sure to choose these changes?
Or will we as human's become gradually more aware of a completely separate body we will all be born with, eventually deciding to live completely in the 4D bodies?
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - zenmaster - 03-09-2011
Ra talks about the 4d body, but that's also coupled to a 4D mind. The dual-activated entities here are inheriting the 3D concepts (i.e. racial mind). These are the possibilities that are provided and help inform the individual's worldview - but they are 3D possibilities. Meanwhile, the possibilities of 4d manifestation and creation - using that 4D mind, is waiting to be tapped by the dual-activated individuals in their efforts. It's like the possibility of an airplane always being available, yet it took someone's 19th century imagination (built on newly discovered mechanical principles and tools) to just realize it. Got to figure it out through imagination and attempt.
Right now it seems that the ideas of 4D possibilities are following the really cheesy psychic demonstrations from the start of last century. But it's a new frontier. Eventually, I'd expect all these incarnating non-natives, from other star systems and cultures, to bring a really diverse set of concepts with them.
Ironically, maybe most of the 3rd density people here will incarnate on their planets, as transplants, if their (the dual-activated) planet's 3rd density cycles are still ongoing.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - unity100 - 03-09-2011
(03-08-2011, 09:23 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Was this information from a Ra or Q'uo session? If so, do you remember the number or date?
quo stuff was already quoted. heres the link to Ra
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=63&sc=1&ss=1#13
good news is
Quote:This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.
Quote:Where do the 4D bodies come from? Are they born from 3D parents?
its told in the Ra quote linked.
(03-08-2011, 10:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote: All the subdensities of a density exist throughout the existence of the density.
that is doubtful. there are various implied situations in which entities seem to be transported elsewhere for vibrational compatibility.
for example, the 3d entities which didnt choose to stay on earth at the end of 2nd cycle.
it is possible that the overall vibratory situation of these 150 entities had created sufficient vibration in their area for them to complete their cycles.
moreover, just a few centuries ago, green vibrations were not here. they had increased in frequency to pass threshold into true color green in 1937.
so vibrational increase seems to be a necessity and a reality.
even if the influxes to a planet are in the full spectrum of the green, apparently the manifestation of this on the planet depends on the planet's resonance with these vibrations.
lets see - there were no harvestees in 1st cycle. in 2nd there were only 150, and these were isolated. ra says isolation was possible at this period. isolation seems to be important here. it is through probable isolation that these entities were able to create an environment which vibrated in sufficiently high yellow vibrations that they were able to pass into green.
Quote:If you're a non-wandering adept of 3rd density and harvest comes, you may find yourself past the 1st subdensity of 4th density.
depends on your body and its vibrations.
Quote:The body follows the mind's lead, and is also the feedback mechanism to the mind. So all this diet stuff would presumably be for the benefit of the mind's acceptance of spirit.
it would be for the benefit of spirit's acceptance of mind and body. mind is spirit's tool that looks at the manifestation, and body is mind's creation. if for any reason body has a diet that brings low vibrations which are not liked by the spirit, there will be stress on mind, and this will eventually reflect down on the body. if the body is fed with diet that spirit appreciates vibrations of, then energies from spirit will flow to mind and then the body without problems.
Quote:So, through these diets and lifestyle techniques, we evolve our mind and our body follows physiologically? Or was that not what you were referring to?
theoretically this should be possible for an entity of very high vibrations and harmony of mind/body/spirit.
an entity of higher densities, if it is allowed by its totality or its society complex (or its totality) and ultimately infinite intelligence, should be able to channelize infinite energy to such an evolution. if it happens through genetic mating and through the energies invested in birth process, it could be possible for it to happen if similar energies are channeled.
it is doubtful that any entity would be able to be consciously do it. however, if a route, a pathway exists for this to happen, it is possible that, if allowed, an entity could be able to increasingly resonate with vibrations into that path and eventually bring change.
however, this would probably be an arduous and long process, and much energy may be needed to spent in that direction. not to mention that the entity would need to have quite balanced characteristics in regard to male/female balance,to be able to bring in pure energies.
actually, it would be very, very interesting to see an entity continually change as such, and move from an 3d body to a 4d body.
however, this is pure speculation at this point, based on the fact that contact with infinite intelligence opens up endless possibilities.
Quote:Ra talks about the 4d body, but that's also coupled to a 4D mind.
there is no talk of a '4d' or 'xd' mind, at any point in Ra material. mind, is mind.
if you are meaning societal biases, racial mind's biases, then you could say that, however it still wouldnt be a 'x d' mind. a 3d mind that is biased on this planet would act and think different from a 3d mind biased in another planetary society.
mind is something that can adapt quite well as opposed to mind and spirit. all it needs to do is to drop its biases. and liberate itself from racial mind.
Quote:Ironically, maybe most of the 3rd density people here will incarnate on their planets, as transplants, if their (the dual-activated) planet's 3rd density cycles are still ongoing.
conditions for such passages may be different at any given planet.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Aaron - 03-09-2011
Quote:Zenmaster Wrote:The body follows the mind's lead, and is also the feedback mechanism to the mind. So all this diet stuff would presumably be for the benefit of the mind's acceptance of spirit.
unity100 Wrote:it would be for the benefit of spirit's acceptance of mind and body. mind is spirit's tool that looks at the manifestation, and body is mind's creation. if for any reason body has a diet that brings low vibrations which are not liked by the spirit, there will be stress on mind, and this will eventually reflect down on the body. if the body is fed with diet that spirit appreciates vibrations of, then energies from spirit will flow to mind and then the body without problems.
This exchange really got me thinking... Perhaps we're being led to a place of better care for our bodies as a species, because a good diet leads to a clear mind, one that can better accept the instreamings of spirit, as Zenmaster puts it. 4th density is a time/space environment with electrical entities. The thoughts in our physical brains are electrical, analogs of 4th density things and entities. Once we're at that point of healthy minds and bodies, our thoughts as a species, beginning to harmonize, will be appreciative of 4th density instreamings. Maybe our thoughts will create the 4D environment, which, when the earth physically enters into like the striking of a clock, we will incarnate into as electrical entities, like a smooth transition.
RE: Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities - Bring4th_Austin - 03-09-2011
(03-09-2011, 08:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: good news is
Quote:This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.
Quote:Where do the 4D bodies come from? Are they born from 3D parents?
its told in the Ra quote linked.
With this bit of clarity comes some more confusion for me. I now understand the transitional bodies are designed to facilitate 4D vibrations in a 3D reality. But I'm still not completely sure on how we as Humanity, not individuals, go about shedding the 3D bodies. What I can gather at this point is as the 4D vibrations take time to manifest in reality, we continue to incarnate dual-bodies. Once 4D manifestation is complete, we begin to incarnate into 4D bodies, but the humans present on earth at that time are going to be in dual bodies. Is this particular generation of dual body humans going to birth 4D bodies? Since they are dual body, will they be able to perceive this child with only their 4D body, not their 3D body? I just can't see, out of a chemical body pregnancy, a birth of only an electrical body.
I understand reproduction varies throughout densities...is it possible we stop reproducing 3D style and start only reproducing 4D style, however that may be?