New Zeitgeist movie

[unity100]

what relevance is there in between belief, and love. there is nothing in zeitgeist movie against love.

[BlatzAdict]

what relevance is there in between belief, and love. there is nothing in zeitgeist movie against love.

it's not specifically for it either. it's specifically for illumination. for light..

[unity100]

what relevance is there in between belief, and love. there is nothing in zeitgeist movie against love.

it's not specifically for it either. it's specifically for illumination. for light..

i dont understand. what relevance is there in between atheism, belief, love, and light.

[BlatzAdict]

what relevance is there in between belief, and love. there is nothing in zeitgeist movie against love.

it's not specifically for it either. it's specifically for illumination. for light..

i dont understand. what relevance is there in between atheism, belief, love, and light.

umm maybe u aren't ready to understand where i'm coming from. athiesm.. is a satanic/luciferian agenda.
it's also an agenda of the negative force to promote light vs love.. not light AND love..

athiesm is the reliance on the physical, on the scientific... or in other words LIGHT..

it is also a satanic/ luciferian agenda to own LOVE.... hence the take over and control and manipulation of love or religion....

the two sides butt heads throughout history.... one or the other.. and never both. while both... or in other words love AND light. requires a whole new way of thinking to support.

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I can liken love and light to a man and a woman.. an analogy a close one has made about the matter..

love is a woman.. and light is a man.. having sex for the first time.. and the first time for a woman hurts. lol
this transition to 4d is... love and light having sex for the first time.. and the baby that results... is 4d
a combination of love and light.

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OMG LOOK...

AND :idea:


the lightbulb.. the LIGHT... is labeled idea... see... light is knowledge. light is the idea.

lol

love and light... not love or light.
The positive force supports love and light.. the negative is love or light, or division and separation... or rather.. duality.

[unity100]

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atheism has no relevance with 'relying on physical'. its basically refusing the idea of an overseeing, all encompassing and controlling entity.

neither does religion has anything to do with love. religion is a set of behavior codes that are based on acceptance of various dogma that says various spiritual or physical results will result from those behavior sets. satan is also something that belongs to certain semitic religions. it is not found in all religions and so on.

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however i think my response was not necessary. i see that you are coming from a conspiracy angle.

[BlatzAdict]

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atheism has no relevance with 'relying on physical'. its basically refusing the idea of an overseeing, all encompassing and controlling entity.

neither does religion has anything to do with love. religion is a set of behavior codes that are based on acceptance of various dogma that says various spiritual or physical results will result from those behavior sets. satan is also something that belongs to certain semitic religions. it is not found in all religions and so on.

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however i think my response was not necessary. i see that you are coming from a conspiracy angle.

who says the all emcompassing entity is controlling? okay maybe i chose the wrong choice of words.. forget the dogma and focus on the tennants of religion.. the virtues and not so much the dogma. for the sake of my arguement. and not on the wording.. the general ideas conveyed... the basic moral virtues.

[unity100]

if we focus on them, we find that religion is much more accommodating to entities being enslaved, exploited, and suppressed than the atheist approach you criticize in the movie is.

christian religion was one of the two tools that kept the populace subdued in middle ages in order to perpetuate feudalism. it told people that being poor was good, and it was divine right of the aristocracy to rule. even today, the religions that encompass around 2 billion lot of this planet are quite accommodating to people suffering and being exploited, this time, 'willingly'.

this means that there is no relevance in between religion and good morals.

if you are meaning the basic tenets that the christian religion was supposed to be based on - from what i understand your linking love with religion and god - there's still no relevance since love doesnt need neither religion nor god to happen. ra tells us that the harvest requirement for 4d is being able to vibrate in green spectrum, and there is no knowledge or wisdom of anything - which includes any kind of god or behavior sets - are needed.

so, that means, green ray vibrations, which are what is apparently being discussed here, has no relevance to either religion, or god. since you were linking all of them together to criticize the the philosophy of the movie, the criticism falls apart at the linking of love and religion/atheism/god.

[BlatzAdict]

so, that means, green ray vibrations, which are what is apparently being discussed here, has no relevance to either religion, or god. since you were linking all of them together to criticize the the philosophy of the movie, the criticism falls apart at the linking of love and religion/atheism/god.

okay when u look at this realistically then yes religion is b.s.
but when u look at the 10 basic commandments idealistically..
we try to grow towards ideals.. but we are brought down by the imperfectness of our design. because we are separated parts of a greater whole.


don't kill.. got it
don't screw over ur neighbors.. got it..
the simple stuff like that man. i'm not talking about the dogma that follows it
dogma is the creation of man in duality.

i'm talking about the unalienable truths of life.. and ultimately of love.. which is what religion TRIES... to convey. doesn't necessarily mean that it conveys it sucessfully.

i dunno what the other commandents are... but i can just say
love yourself.
love your neighbors
don't f*** urself over, don't f*** ur neighbors over
don't rape people.
don't rape little children.
don't rob from people or rob from little children.

u know... that kind of stuff.

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this conversation would be so much easier with telepathy

[unity100]

okay when u look at this realistically then yes religion is b.s.
but when u look at the 10 basic commandments idealistically..
we try to grow towards ideals.. but we are brought down by the imperfectness of our design. because we are separated parts of a greater whole.

however 10 basic commandments, were directly transmitted by negative oriented orion entities hovering in a ufo, according to Ra.

don't kill.. got it
don't screw over ur neighbors.. got it..
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this conversation would be so much easier with telepathy

for those principles, you dont need religion. open green ray vibrations will allow them. for that to happen, red, orange and green ray vibrations need to be open and clear too. else it may fail.

[BlatzAdict]

okay when u look at this realistically then yes religion is b.s.
but when u look at the 10 basic commandments idealistically..
we try to grow towards ideals.. but we are brought down by the imperfectness of our design. because we are separated parts of a greater whole.

however 10 basic commandments, were directly transmitted by negative oriented orion entities hovering in a ufo, according to Ra.

don't kill.. got it
don't screw over ur neighbors.. got it..
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this conversation would be so much easier with telepathy

for those principles, you dont need religion. open green ray vibrations will allow them. for that to happen, red, orange and green ray vibrations need to be open and clear too. else it may fail.

even to someone who reads the Law of One I have to say.. judge the message not the messenger.. are u saying it's okay to kill people? who cares who the message comes from...

would u be more likely to listen to donald trump telling u to love yourself? vs a bum on crack? telling u to love yourself?
does any of that make it any less true?
does it?

[unity100]

im unable to get your meaning.

[BlatzAdict]

im unable to get your meaning.

hmm
in other words.. don't judge a book by it's cover.

[unity100]

what book ?

[BlatzAdict]

lol u really don't know what i'm talking about? r u really trolling on a spiritual forum? or is it my imagination.

I ask because I am here to evolve and uplift myself spiritually with the eyes of an observer.

[Ocean]

about the lack of spirituality of TZM.

good-hearted people who strive to make the world a better place without understanding the laws of the universe might not get the results that they want. that's why it helps to be open to spirituality and the true nature of the cosmos. David Wilcock said something about uniting the heart chakra with the throat chakra but i forget how it went. i just don't think it helps to be willfully ignorant of the rules of the universe if you want to change the world for the better. imo.

[unity100]

lol u really don't know what i'm talking about? r u really trolling on a spiritual forum? or is it my imagination.

you are basically saying that, we shouldnt judge 10 commandments because they were directly conveyed by negative orion entities in a ufo, but instead, concentrate on the commandments itself.

is that it ?

David Wilcock said something about uniting the heart chakra with the throat chakra but i forget how it went. i just don't think it helps to be willfully ignorant of the rules of the universe if you want to change the world for the better. imo.

i think david wilcock should do that himself first, since he apparently is ineffectual in regard to determining such things - he treats russian, chinese governments, as 'good guys'.

[Ocean]

i don't think he says they're the good guys, just that aliens are in contact with them.

[unity100]

but he seems to picture the establishment as evil, and those fighting with them as good guys. and he names 'bric' alliance as the ones fighting the establishment.

[BlatzAdict]

you are basically saying that, we shouldnt judge 10 commandments because they were directly conveyed by negative orion entities in a ufo, but instead, concentrate on the commandments itself.

is that it ?

yes i am saying judge the message.. not the messenger.
u can look up anything Ra says or maybe post it up with Quo and Carla and I can guarantee u they will say the same thing.

if Ra told u to jump off a bridge... would u jump off a bridge?
similarly if Lucifer told u to jump off a bridge would u jump off a bridge?

I wouldn't jump off a bridge because I need to know what good is it to me, and what good does it serve others for me to jump off a bridge. that is positive.

similarly.. a negative wouldn't jump off a bridge because they would only think what good is it to me, and they would not consider the implications of how it affects others..

this is the difference between positive and negative friend.

i think david wilcock should do that himself first, since he apparently is ineffectual in regard to determining such things - he treats russian, chinese governments, as 'good guys'.

hold it hold it.. have u ever read why he thinks this way?.... u know it sounds like a personal issue with you... to judge things only by the light of what you see. Looking at the bigger picture requires to learn all sides of the situation. Not to just judge things as you see fit.

[unity100]

you are basically saying that, we shouldnt judge 10 commandments because they were directly conveyed by negative orion entities in a ufo, but instead, concentrate on the commandments itself.

is that it ?

yes i am saying judge the message.. not the messenger.
u can look up anything Ra says or maybe post it up with Quo and Carla and I can guarantee u they will say the same thing.

if Ra told u to jump off a bridge... would u jump off a bridge?
similarly if Lucifer told u to jump off a bridge would u jump off a bridge?

I wouldn't jump off a bridge because I need to know what good is it to me, and what good does it serve others for me to jump off a bridge. that is positive.

similarly.. a negative wouldn't jump off a bridge because they would only think what good is it to me, and they would not consider the implications of how it affects others..

this is the difference between positive and negative friend.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#13

you should read until 16.18.

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it doesnt matter whether the message is positive, or negative. in the time/space, and in this society's racial mind, that information is linked to whichever source that brought it. that creates a link in between anyone accessing that info and that source, strong or weak. the link can be weakened or strengthened depending on the situation in societal mind at that point, or the entity. but there is in the end a link.

what's more important, if you look at it in the polarized positive/negative way you are approaching, 16.18 becomes more important :

16.18 Questioner: It would be wholly unlike an entity fully aware of the knowledge of the Law of One to ever say “Thou shalt not.” Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

therefore, as far as polarization concerned, that ten commandments is a negative format.

that is the difference in between positive and negative. positive polarization doesnt tell you not to do things. negative, does.

hold it hold it.. have u ever read why he thinks this way?.... u know it sounds like a personal issue with you... to judge things only by the light of what you see. Looking at the bigger picture requires to learn all sides of the situation. Not to just judge things as you see fit.

i havent read much about him and i dont have a strong feeling/opinion about him either.

it doesnt matter why he thinks that way. if a person judges a repressive/totalitarian/murderly outfit as 'good', that person cannot be trusted in judging these things.

if you argue the opposite, anyone can come up with a million ways to portray nazis as 'good' guys.

[BlatzAdict]

hold it hold it.. have u ever read why he thinks this way?.... u know it sounds like a personal issue with you... to judge things only by the light of what you see. Looking at the bigger picture requires to learn all sides of the situation. Not to just judge things as you see fit.

i havent read much about him and i dont have a strong feeling/opinion about him either.

it doesnt matter why he thinks that way. if a person judges a repressive/totalitarian/murderly outfit as 'good', that person cannot be trusted in judging these things.

if you argue the opposite, anyone can come up with a million ways to portray nazis as 'good' guys.

just because a gov't is oppresive doesn't mean it's people are.
our gov't is the most oppresive of them all.. except it oppresses us in such a way that nobody notices.

any country willing to oppose our country that sells arms to iran and iraq... just to profiteer off of war... is just as bad as a country that subjugates it's own people openly.

to me it doesn't matter if there is a link to a positive or negative force. i don't support duality, nor do i support separation. it is a service to self feature of service to self society.

similarly i only made an example out of the 10 commandments. just because someone is telling me not to do something doesn't mean i'm going to do it or not. it means i'm going to take what it is saying.. and then consider it.

like i choose not to kill people, because life is precious.. not because the 10 commandments told me not to kill people. however through personal discovery I find that killing people is wrong, stealing from people is wrong.

I don't take it as something forcing me to live a certain way. I take it as an ethical primer to what I already know, but not necessarily as a commandment.

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People are generally loving... if some Orion guy tells you,
Thou shalt not suffocate thyself...

what are u gonna do... Suffocate yourself?
People can just as much make up their own minds, and always have that personal responsibility, especially the awakened.

If you eliminate negative threads from your life completely, where is your catalyst? What is your purpose of being here in duality? To impose an unhealthy and totalitarian rule of goodness? Then no one would grow.

[unity100]

just because a gov't is oppresive doesn't mean it's people are.
our gov't is the most oppresive of them all.. except it oppresses us in such a way that nobody notices.

russian culture is quite repressive and brutal throughout the ages. it is as such today too.

however that's beside the point. he is talking about governmental/social divisions that command resources to fight each other, in forms and ways that include using tesla vehicles. russian people, even if the culture was one of pink roses, have no idea about that.

its the government that is running all the show. not anyone else. hence, talking about a 'bric' alliance, which means an alliance of governments of brasil, russia, india, china means, well, an alliance of governments of those countries.

to me it doesn't matter if there is a link to a positive or negative force. i don't support duality, nor do i support separation. it is a service to self feature of service to self society.

if you dont support duality, then talking about forces of light and evil, and 'satanic agenda' that encompasses atheism and the god and religion and whatnot, contradicts your stance.

similarly i only made an example out of the 10 commandments. just because someone is telling me not to do something doesn't mean i'm going to do it or not. it means i'm going to take what it is saying.. and then consider it.

I don't take it as something forcing me to live a certain way. I take it as an ethical primer to what I already know, but not necessarily as a commandment.

it wasnt about what you would do about it however - you said not to judge a book with its cover. regardless of what you personally would do, the book will keep its qualities.

[BlatzAdict]

you know what i'm just going to quote myself.

The difference between Service to Others and Service to Self is..

perhaps you will understand this analogy between the positive Ra and the negative Lucifer.

we have 7 chakras yes? 7 points of energy.
Which chakras do STS entities use?
Red, Orange, Yellow, Light blue, indigo, and then violet.
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Now which energy centers do STO entities use?
Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Light Blue, Indigo and then violet.

Now you have to think a bit abstract to understand what I'm saying here to read inbetween the lines. What does the sun do? It lights the way yes, and in doing so it creates.. rays.. of sunshine.. Separate and disconnected rays.

Similarly when you watch television... what creates the picture.. little tiny dots on a screen that merge light together to make a picture.

Now imagine... the 7 chakras... are the 7 dots that make up a mini television set. these 7 dots.. or chakras.. come together to create a picture.

Now a positive being on the path to love, would look at each individual dot on the picture and end up examining the WHOLE picture.

A negative being on the path of fear, would look at 6 out of the 7 dots on the picture, and examine only PART of the picture.

this is why i say... to AUTOMATICALLY judge something as negative or positive is ignorant.
Judging itself is not a bad thing, but rushing to conclusions is a negative way of thinking, looking at only PART of the picture.

there is a reason why the only difference between STO and STS is using the heart chakra or not. it doesn't mean STO is the opposite of STS.. and it doesn't mean STS is the opposite of STO.

it means STS is an incomplete version of STO.

it's not negative to judge
it's negative to judge after only seeing part of the picture
it's not necessarily negative it's just incomplete
depends on how u are looking at it
what makes it incomplete...
...is the love

if u look at it the way i described
the negatives will always use some piece of the truth
but not the whole truth
thats how it works
juust enough truth to get u going

thats why there is no good and evil
only the whole truth
and then part of the truth
and then u can understand.. separation... duality vs... cooperation

[unity100]

i think we have discussed long enough. thank you.