2007.02.11 World Events, Failed STS Coup, Rejoining Time-Lateral

[Aaron]

(Addressed to unity) How can you say "i dont 'insist' on everything is either ok, or not ok." after saying "everything is either ok, or not ok."?

I do have a clearer perspective of your point of view, however, after some re-reading. And in response to your long post, I can see how the efforts of Ra and others, and all the wanderers to keep this planet and its population from swaying to the dark side could lead you to think that wrong moves can indeed be made and it is worth spending resources to stop them as opposed to just sitting back and letting it go because it will all be ok "in the end".

At this point, I don't have much to offer that may change your view. However, I think what must be understood is that the higher density consciousnesses that take an interest in our evolution, and even ourselves outside of incarnation as potential wanderers, see things from a much different point of view. I can hazard a guess that from a STO point of view, it's as if we are one body, and the wanderers are simply blood cells being sent to a place that's injured. My point is, though the goal is to prevent "wrong choices" (as we in duality would define them) from being made, the intention of higher density consciousnesses may be slightly different. They may not be so involved in our planet because they're trying to prevent a loss, but rather, because they perceive the universe in a different way. You may be projecting our thinking onto them.

[3D Sunset]

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Hi Unity,

Let me start by saying that I fundamentally see things differently than you on this. So rather than playing tit for tat with your many points, let me summarize how I see that things have unfolded:

- The use (or not) of technologies capable of destroying the planet were free will choices made by those incarnate in 3D. They certainly could have been made, but fortunately they were not. If they had, then things would have progressed differently, but everything would have been okay.

- The use of such technologies are recognized by (the higher selves of) the entities who have access to them as inherently limiting to their further spiritual evolution. Still, they may need the opportunity to make the choice not to use them in order to progress beyond their current level. Remember that no one progresses when a planet is destroyed. Thus, it is not primarily the "other entities" (4D, 5D, 6D, etc.) that make sure it doesn't happen, it is first and foremost the higher self of the incarnate 3D entity that strives to help them make the most expedient choice.

- I see the influx of wanderers as indicative of the end of this 3D cycle, aimed at increasing Harvest. At this time there are several things happening in the frenzied world leading up to the Harvest. Most of these activities are aimed at increasing the Harvest for both polarities. The world becomes densely populated by the native 3D souls seeking one last shot at polarizing before this game is over. Similarly, positive wanderers (and maybe a very few, very brave negative wanderers) incarnate in order to help those close to being harvestable to make the grade. Since higher level STS entities are very reluctant to become wanderers, they choose to act through the inner realms to increase the harvest for their side. This dynamic creates many, many, catalysts that can be used by both sides to increase the harvest for their side.

- It is not in anyone's best interest to have the planet - or even a significant portion of its population - destroyed, unless that action is simultaneously polarizing for their polarity. I dare say, that this would rarely, if ever happen. So, I think that an agreed upon safety net that was established to try to ensure that accidents don't unexpectedly set off a set of events that would lead to such destruction. So, when I hear that UFOs were around missile silos, I tend to believe that they were working to reduce the chance of accidents that no one wants to have happen. Still, even if such an accident did occur, everything would be alright.

- Just because everything will be okay, no matter what happens, doesn't mean that all the players are not desirous of finding the most expeditious way to move forward in evolution. I think that all parties recognize that the best way to move forward is to not destroy the planet, still there may well be some entities whose further evolution is dependent upon making the free will decision not to destroy the world while incarnate at this time. For what it's worth, I think that there were several entities that needed that opportunity and so far and that they have all either made the right decision, or failed in their attempt to execute on a less expeditious, shall we say, decision. I also think that we only have a few (if any) more such tests to pass, and that with each success, the probability of a future calamity is greatly diminished.

But that's just my way of seeing it. The glass is more than half full!

3D sunset

[unity100]

(Addressed to unity) How can you say "i dont 'insist' on everything is either ok, or not ok." after saying "everything is either ok, or not ok."?

because there is 50%/50% chance of something happening there. it has to be either.

if 'everything is ok', then it means everything is ok. everything is ok doesnt mean that 'everything is ok, but some things are not ok'. even if there are 'some' things that are not 'ok', it means everything, is, not 'ok'.

its not my insistence. its the nature of logic.

At this point, I don't have much to offer that may change your view. However, I think what must be understood is that the higher density consciousnesses that take an interest in our evolution, and even ourselves outside of incarnation as potential wanderers, see things from a much different point of view. I can hazard a guess that from a STO point of view, it's as if we are one body, and the wanderers are simply blood cells being sent to a place that's injured. My point is, though the goal is to prevent "wrong choices" (as we in duality would define them) from being made, the intention of higher density consciousnesses may be slightly different. They may not be so involved in our planet because they're trying to prevent a loss, but rather, because they perceive the universe in a different way. You may be projecting our thinking onto them.

this is not a 'perspective' matter. everything is either ok, or not ok. again, if 'some' things are not ok, even from a 'higher density consciousness point of view', then it means EVERYthing is not 'ok'.

i cant understand why this is so difficult to see. everything is either ok, or, not.

when you say 'everything is ok', you open to ALL possibilities. if, at any point, anyone, even if it is a 'higher consciousness perspective', comes up saying some things should not happen, then it means EVERYthing is not 'ok'.

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let me sum your points up :

you say 'just because everything is okay, we just cant go doing xxxx yyyy zzzz'.





that equals saying EVERYthing is NOT ok. its as simple as that. it doesnt matter how you 'see' the matter, how you word the reasons, how your perspective is, what are your reasons, what is your logic, how you feel :

IF, you say, due to ANY reason, there are 'some' things that are 'better not done', then it means EVERYthing is not ok.

[@ndy]

Unity100,

I'm confused I'm trying to look at this logically too see were it is your coming from.

How about it's all ok, so it's ok to do things that are not ok.

I'm not sure you can look logically at people’s sense of what is wrong and right, as that's going to have a bias - and would mean judging some our own standards. Once you’re in the realms of what people personally think is ok, then I can't see how it can be 'logical'

I'm assuming, correct me if I'm wrong that you think every things not ok?

[Aaron]

unity, You seem to be unable or unwilling to adopt the viewpoint that from the biggest perspective (i.e. the Creator, or the Infinite Intelligence that created the concepts of "ok" and "not ok") that things are BOTH simultaneously ok and not ok. I think that's the ultimate conclusion of my argument, and I've said all I can say in regards to that.

So, I dismiss myself now. Thank you, to you and everyone else enjoying this thread.

[3D Sunset]

IF, you say, due to ANY reason, there are 'some' things that are 'better not done', then it means EVERYthing is not ok.

But wait! I never did say that. I said that one path is more expeditious than the other. I like Ra's roadmap analogy. We are interested in getting from one place to another. We can take the direct route, a more scenic route, or go the opposite direction for a while and then meander around until we eventually stumble upon our destination. To the One Creator, none of these routes is preferable. All of them are okay. And in an infinite universe, there will be some number of entities that take each different route.

Within that reality, there are wanderers and guardians and guides and higher selves that help those along each path, but with an inherent bias toward a more expeditious route back to the One Infinite Creator. Still, free will is paramount and will trump the bias every time.

Everything really is okay. And everything really will work out fine, and it really is all up to you. If you choose to destroy the planet. THAT'S FINE. And if you do, then that choice - and the resulting path - is one that I will be a part of, because I chose to be here when you took your action. There are no accidents, but there are surprises.

Love and Light,

3D Sunset

[unity100]

unity, You seem to be unable or unwilling to adopt the viewpoint that from the biggest perspective (i.e. the Creator, or the Infinite Intelligence that created the concepts of "ok" and "not ok") that things are BOTH simultaneously ok and not ok. I think that's the ultimate conclusion of my argument, and I've said all I can say in regards to that.

and ? how does 'creator' factor in to this ? so, because nothing would change for that 'creator', lets destroy entire universe. actually, this octave too. because, nothing would matter.

or, alternatively, to see the illogicality of the picture here, just shove a pin through your pinky finger. it may hurt, but, after all, in the bigger picture, your body is intact, right ? nothing of value is lost.

ra depicts 'the creator' as a single being. but apparently, despite that, its ok for its parts to destroy themselves then ....

But wait! I never did say that. I said that one path is more expeditious than the other. I like Ra's roadmap analogy. We are interested in getting from one place to another. We can take the direct route, a more scenic route, or go the opposite direction for a while and then meander around until we eventually stumble upon our destination. To the One Creator, none of these routes is preferable. All of them are okay. And in an infinite universe, there will be some number of entities that take each different route.

Within that reality, there are wanderers and guardians and guides and higher selves that help those along each path, but with an inherent bias toward a more expeditious route back to the One Infinite Creator. Still, free will is paramount and will trump the bias every time.

Everything really is okay. And everything really will work out fine, and it really is all up to you. If you choose to destroy the planet. THAT'S FINE. And if you do, then that choice - and the resulting path - is one that I will be a part of, because I chose to be here when you took your action. There are no accidents, but there are surprises.

Love and Light,

3D Sunset

and again .....

if there are any roads more 'expeditious ' than others, than that means 'EVERYthing' is not ok. some things, are, not ok.

i cant understand how this can even be questioned. if there is any mention of 'more' or 'less' in the description, then that means there IS difference.

actually the perspective some of you are holding/proposing is quite limited ; "oh, we get to 'the creator' in the end through whatever way, so its ok"

you may actually not get to 'the creator' at the end of a road, you know. for example, if you got destroyed in a nuclear blast, and therefore totally cease existing as a separate entity, and the spark of spirit that is attached to your mind/body complex gets dissolved and melds back to any nearby logos, you also will have 'returned to the creator'. without realizing and manifesting the difference of that spirit spark of course, but hey, isnt everything ok in the end ?

but, that didnt happen on this planet for example. confederation entities have spent effort to preserve integrity of the souls caught in the blast, and 'did not lose a single soul', as Ra tells us. if they havent, there would be souls destroyed.

but more importantly, there is the concept of octaves and time for that 'the creator' that is being subject here - what is called 'the creator' is a focus point of intelligent infinity as intelligent energy. it is NOT intelligent infinity itself. it goes through octaves, learns and experiences and manifests with its experience.

so, it does matter for 'the creator'. manifestation and realization of even one spark, is an important goal to be had. all the manifestations of all those infinite sparks, make up the totality of the experience of an entire octave.

[Aaron]

and ? how does 'creator' factor in to this ? so, because nothing would change for that 'creator', lets destroy entire universe. actually, this octave too. because, nothing would matter.

or, alternatively, to see the illogicality of the picture here, just shove a pin through your pinky finger. it may hurt, but, after all, in the bigger picture, your body is intact, right ? nothing of value is lost.

ra depicts 'the creator' as a single being. but apparently, despite that, its ok for its parts to destroy themselves then ....

"Creator" factors into it because to logically observe the universe and its workings without regard to the Creator, of which we and the universe are equally a part, is to leave out part of the equation.

Whether or not you destroy one planet or the entire octave, the reasoning remains the same, I believe. It's all a learning experience for the Creator. I realize that you're saying that that approach is illogical, maybe being a "shortcut" or "oversight", or just being shortsighted in general. But that illogical logic is what I apply to the situation of "ok or not ok", because I believe it is one resolution.

[unity100]

the creator you speak of, has created this octave in hierarchical, organized order, as Ra tells us. everything is limited with the particular power/liberty they are given at any given level, and the level of liberty and power increases only as an entity progresses from a single subatomic particle to 7th density in this octave.

even the laws governing the 'illusion', ra tells us, are set by that creator and local logoi can change and tweak them, but ratios and basic principles always remain the same in the end. even sublogos of an entire galaxy cant go on creating totally independent rule sets.

so, if you go discussing that 'creator' path, the logic of 'everything is ok' crumbles even faster.

[Confused]

the creator you speak of, has created this octave in hierarchical, organized order, as Ra tells us.

Yes, I have wondered on this point intensely since coming across and reading the LOO. If 'hierarchy' is seen as a pecking order, then I fail to understand why even the positive forces in creation implement it (or at least that is what it seems to me)?

I do not think we are getting the full picture about the One Infinite Creator, and great positive forces too move away from description by couching the ultimate (read honest) exegesis as mystery. I still beam my love and light to the positive hierarchy with reverence though. Just asking a question that is like a splinter in my eye.

[unity100]

the creator you speak of, has created this octave in hierarchical, organized order, as Ra tells us.

Yes, I have wondered on this point intensely since coming across and reading the LOO. If 'hierarchy' is seen as a pecking order, then I fail to understand why even the positive forces in creation implement it (or at least that is what it seems to me)?

the hierarchy here seems to be in reverse order. the upper ones in the hierarchy do not take from you, but you take from them. (your sun vs you). and you provide it to the lower ones in the hierarchy. its the flow of energy.

the lower ones in the hierarcy, in turn, take part in creating various realities according to the vibrations that come from what is higher in their hierarchy, according to the various parts of the vibrations they are attracted to. the lower one in the hierarchy, has to use the energy it is receiving, to give out. to lower ones in hierarchy, or anything in general. in any form that is suitable for the level of advancedness ranging in a spectrum from creating things/emotions to providing pure energy.

this is seen in the proliferation of manifestation in universes - all universes have centers, and everything branches out from that center to other, newer centers, (newer in manifestation, not in existence probably), and in turn branch out from there. that means, physical manifestation also probably has a center (the first logos), above all universes, but BELOW infinite intelligence. (infinite cannot have a center as far as i see it, despite what Ra says - 'central' means finite however you approach it - ra says infinity has a center - but that would make infinity organized, therefore, it would lack the unorganizedness complement that is required to make it completely infinite).

at octave completion, all the manifestations return back to the center (we are told) in the same order, combining, merging back more or less in the same order they branched out. or probably in the order they are now suitable for combining back through. (things may have changed, as well as preferences).

[Confused]

(infinite cannot have a center as far as i see it, despite what Ra says - 'central' means finite however you approach it - ra says infinity has a center - but that would make infinity organized, therefore, it would lack the unorganizedness complement that is required to make it completely infinite).

13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the first known thing in the creation?

Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.

Unity100, this may sound meaningless. But I am wondering as to whether infinity could be its own center.

[Shemaya]

the creator you speak of, has created this octave in hierarchical, organized order, as Ra tells us.

Yes, I have wondered on this point intensely since coming across and reading the LOO. If 'hierarchy' is seen as a pecking order, then I fail to understand why even the positive forces in creation implement it (or at least that is what it seems to me)?

I do not think we are getting the full picture about the One Infinite Creator, and great positive forces too move away from description by couching the ultimate (read honest) exegesis as mystery. I still beam my love and light to the positive hierarchy with reverence though. Just asking a question that is like a splinter in my eye.

I would agree with you Confused, the teaching of hierarchy in the Ra material seems confusing.

I think the idea of hierarchy is a distortion that can easily trip us up into STS ideology and separation consciousness, and also the subconscious deception that we are better than higher than or superior to our other-selves.

Even Jesus who was a mere 4th density entity said "the Father and I are One" (if you perceive any sarcasm on my part in that statement, you'd be correct...I am intentionally being sarcastic) The Father that Jesus spoke of I am interpreting as the Logos at any level , sub, primary whatever.

My view of the hierarchy Ra speaks of is more like a generational branching from the original One, to the 2, and so on, so that we now have the multitude of entities that are present in Creation, and we are ALL ONE. It's not a hierarchy as in more power or greatness or purity, but a hierarchy of fullness and completion. We are all being gathered into the One again past 7-D, and yet we already have access to those higher aspects of Ourselves through the veil. They are not separate from us, they are us approaching fullness.

[Confused]

It's not a hierarchy as in more power or greatness or purity, but a hierarchy of fullness and completion.

Thanks, Shemaya. But I have a further question to posit following from the quote of yours I have highlighted afore. Please do not see this as any form of challenge to your remark. I am only highlighting the following in order to ask tough questions with a view to exploring the beingness of the One Infinite Creator with fellow dear seekers.

26.22 Questioner: Could you tell me just vaguely how you accomplished this?

Ra: I am Ra. This is accomplished through our understanding of dimensional fields of energy. The higher or more dense energy field will control the less dense.

I may be erroneously mixing up issues; but it seems that the positive hierarchy too controls conditions. May be it is the intention that really matters. I do not know. True to my moniker, I am fully confused.

[unity100]

(infinite cannot have a center as far as i see it, despite what Ra says - 'central' means finite however you approach it - ra says infinity has a center - but that would make infinity organized, therefore, it would lack the unorganizedness complement that is required to make it completely infinite).

13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the first known thing in the creation?

Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.

Unity100, this may sound meaningless. But I am wondering as to whether infinity could be its own center.

if approached like that, it indeed becomes so. if, one approaches the concept of 'one' like saying 'there is only one infinity', then infinity becomes 'one' too.

but, infinity by its definition, has to include everything. hence, any concept attributed to it, has to have its counterpart in it. then, the concept 'one' we attribute to it morphs to something else then the 'one' we can understand, and also has to include 'many' along with itself, for infinity to be infinity.

if you say 'it is a center itself', then it has to also include having no centers, along with having a center, so then it becomes something different than we ascribe it to be. both a center itself, and having no center.

[Shemaya]

It's not a hierarchy as in more power or greatness or purity, but a hierarchy of fullness and completion.

Thanks, Shemaya. But I have a further question to posit following from the quote of yours I have highlighted afore. Please do not see this as any form of challenge to your remark. I am only highlighting the following in order to ask tough questions with a view to exploring the beingness of the One Infinite Creator with fellow dear seekers.

26.22 Questioner: Could you tell me just vaguely how you accomplished this?

Ra: I am Ra. This is accomplished through our understanding of dimensional fields of energy. The higher or more dense energy field will control the less dense.

I may be erroneously mixing up issues; but it seems that the positive hierarchy too controls conditions. May be it is the intention that really matters. I do not know. True to my moniker, I am fully confused.

Well, I must say you have a very nice way of asking and challenging....methinks I could learn alot by hanging with others like yourself.

I am thinking the "more dense" energy field, as in the Logos, has basically come up with the rule-set for creation, and in that way "controls". We have free will insofar as we abide by the rules set forth by the Logos.

By I really think of it as a Parent /Child relationship. A parent provides a structure, rules for their kids to learn and grow and become responsible adults. So I agree in that way, conditions are controlled. There is a structure and rules whereby this creation operates. It's within that pre-set structure of the Logos, that we have free-will in Creation.

In my view, the higher, more dense energy field is still me, a more evolved me, my Higher Self. ( My 3, or 4 or 5D self is a mini-me haha) So it really is just me, controlling myself, "self-control"...not so much a separate entity who is controlling me. Does this make sense?

[Confused]

I am thinking the "more dense" energy field, as in the Logos, has basically come up with the rule-set for creation, and in that way "controls". We have free will insofar as we abide by the rules set forth by the Logos.

By I really think of it as a Parent /Child relationship. A parent provides a structure, rules for their kids to learn and grow and become responsible adults. So I agree in that way, conditions are controlled. There is a structure and rules whereby this creation operates. It's within that pre-set structure of the Logos, that we have free-will in Creation.

And sadly, I think those of the STS streak have made tremendous use of the loopholes within the set of the logoic rules with respect to earth. I suppose the rough analogy would be as to how people with devious minds can even get away with the most gross of crimes if they can work the laws of the land with astute foresight. That is a frequent occurrence in at least my nation in the East.

From the LOO -

82.11 Questioner: What was the form, condition, or experience of the first division of consciousness that occurred at the beginning of this octave at the beginning of this galactic experience?

Ra: I am Ra. We touch upon previous material. [b]The harvest of the previous octave, was the Creator of Love manifested in mind, body, and spirit. This form of the Creator experiencing Itself may perhaps be said to be the first division.[/b]

I fervently hope that the harvest of this octave, when it comes to that, includes the realisation that the rulebook can be manipulated while staying within the technical boundary, by entities with extreme acuity of malevolence. On earth, it has lead to abridgment of freewill with severe pain as a concomitant product, in my opinion.

[Peregrinus]

(infinite cannot have a center as far as i see it, despite what Ra says - 'central' means finite however you approach it - ra says infinity has a center - but that would make infinity organized, therefore, it would lack the unorganizedness complement that is required to make it completely infinite).

and yet I completely understand that The Creator does have a center, the place of origin, of your origin, of mine.

[Shemaya]

And sadly, I think those of the STS streak have made tremendous use of the loopholes within the set of the logoic rules with respect to earth. I suppose the rough analogy would be as to how people with devious minds can even get away with the most gross of crimes if they can work the laws of the land with astute foresight. That is a frequent occurrence in at least my nation in the East.

Because they have forgotten that they and their brother are One.
It's heartbraking.

82.11 Questioner: What was the form, condition, or experience of the first division of consciousness that occurred at the beginning of this octave at the beginning of this galactic experience?

Ra: I am Ra. We touch upon previous material. [b]The harvest of the previous octave, was the Creator of Love manifested in mind, body, and spirit. This form of the Creator experiencing Itself may perhaps be said to be the first division.[/b]

I fervently hope that the harvest of this octave, when it comes to that, includes the realisation that the rulebook can be manipulated while staying within the technical boundary, by entities with extreme acuity of malevolence. On earth, it has lead to abridgment of freewill with severe pain as a concomitant product, in my opinion.
[/quote]

Yes it has...much too much pain and suffering.
We will learn so much from this octave...and it's not nearly done yet!!
Right now on earth it is so important to get the message out of unity consciousness and our connection to Gaia/Goddess. From dust (earth) we come and to dust(earth) we will return. We are basically the soil of the Earth....at least our bodies.

The Logos gives us all...but we are nothing without Gaia. This is another distortion that has been easily manipulated so that we forget our connection to our Mother. It's really important to bring this awareness back right now.

[unity100]

I fervently hope that the harvest of this octave, when it comes to that, includes the realisation that the rulebook can be manipulated while staying within the technical boundary, by entities with extreme acuity of malevolence. On earth, it has lead to abridgment of freewill with severe pain as a concomitant product, in my opinion.

lying and being deceived into choosing any kind of path as a result of lying should be dropped as legitimate concepts first.

moreover, minority will should not be overridden by majority. if the entities in a planet tend to become negative and the planet becomes negative, the neutral or positive should not be forced to become negative. however, currently, in negative societies, pull is too strong, ra tells us.

this is wrong. there shouldnt be such a strong pull.

moreover there are physicality situations. negative entities can force positive or unaligned entities to submit to anything through usage of physical force or threatening situations. this is also wrong. any kind of choice should be made through spiritual inclination, not the need to survive.

ridiculous concepts should not be used for balancing anything, regardless of octave or origin. for example, a 'random window' allowed an orion outfit to enter the quarantine of this planet and seed it with their thoughts. their effect has been too far reaching compared to the event. now even the newly 4d graduates incarnating on this planet will have to weigh that burden, despite having nothing to do with that burden, because the lingering effects of that burden will continue into early 4d. its not their responsibility. they shouldnt have anything to do with that.

and yet I completely understand that The Creator does have a center, the place of origin, of your origin, of mine.

if the 'creator' as in the first logos, indeed there should be a center that is a, well, center as we know what centers are.

if it is infinite intelligence, i really suspect it has a 'center'. because, it has the aspect of being infinite, if not infinity. it has to have infinite simultaneous centers in infinite space, so that it can be infinite intelligence.

[Confused]

moreover, minority will should not be overridden by majority. if the entities in a planet tend to become negative and the planet becomes negative, the neutral or positive should not be forced to become negative. however, currently, in negative societies, pull is too strong, ra tells us.

this is wrong. there shouldnt be such a strong pull.

moreover there are physicality situations. negative entities can force positive or unaligned entities to submit to anything through usage of physical force or threatening situations. this is also wrong. any kind of choice should be made through spiritual inclination, not the need to survive.

Could not agree more, unity100. I hope all that you feel strongly is recorded by the 'powers to be' governing this sector of creation, because it can help in at least refining upcoming octaves. On earth, I believe that organized economy (money), organized nation states (power), and organized religion (spiritual conquest) have been used to the extreme to attack the light. And the letter of the law is causing the positive hierarchy to wait out the cycle, in my opinion. The spirit of the law is meanwhile lost in outer darkness. As above, so below.

[Monica]

I thought I'd bump this thread, in light of current events...

[drifting pages]

What events ? if there is a thread plz point me to it.

[Parsons]

Due to this thread.

[Monica]

Due to this thread.

Yes, also this one: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5105

[Daydreamin]

Thanks for posting! It's cleared some thoughts up for me.


I really enjoyed this part myself b/c it's as if I am always looking to help people but sometimes I think I 'try' a little too hard to help them and I need to just let them seek me out instead of me seeking out people to help.

As a born 'healer' though it is hard and one thing I am working on every day. I have often felt that along my path I was a great 'medicine man' of some sorts and it this 'feeling' is DEEP w/ in me that it's just who I am.

"In this regard we would suggest that the skillful choice is always to work on the self without regard for working with other entities. Service to others, working upon what you perceive needs to be done in the world, begins and ends within yourself. Until the point at which you are asked specific questions that you may answer in what you hope is a spiritually helpful manner, the work you do on yourself is sufficient and more than adequate in terms of how you may affect the consciousness of planet Earth. Change yourself and you change the world. That is how powerful you really are."


And as I have come to the conclusion recently that the politicians of the World are almost begging humanity to wake up by all of their actions. Either they are really ignorant to the Power of the People or they know exactly what is going on and our trying to anger us more and more to where we won't take it anymore.

[caycegal]

Have only been exposed to this material for about 3 months. Have been studying and practicing spiritual awakening my whole life. However, what should I think about the fact that this transformation supposedly took place in the winter solstice of 2011, yet I am still here, in the same general geographic location as in July 2011. Have I passed or failed or is there some other way to look at it?

[kdsii]

Are you referring to Harvest?
We will experience the global changes, but not full-on 4D 'till death.
Basically, we get the OS upgrades, but our 3D hardware isn't compatible with fill 4D. We get the energies but not the body, in this incarnation.

Plus, the 'upgrade' waves aren't done yet. Those capable of receiving them, will.
There's another one on 12/21/2012, and possibly another, I think.
Then, the window is closed and you get to rock 3D for another 20,000 years (as Randy Savage would say) OHH YEEEEEEAHH!

Have only been exposed to this material for about 3 months. Have been studying and practicing spiritual awakening my whole life. However, what should I think about the fact that this transformation supposedly took place in the winter solstice of 2011, yet I am still here, in the same general geographic location as in July 2011. Have I passed or failed or is there some other way to look at it?

[Parsons]

Have only been exposed to this material for about 3 months. Have been studying and practicing spiritual awakening my whole life. However, what should I think about the fact that this transformation supposedly took place in the winter solstice of 2011, yet I am still here, in the same general geographic location as in July 2011. Have I passed or failed or is there some other way to look at it?

To sum up this third level, we would say that to the best of our knowledge—which is not without error but is only opinion—the timetable of your planet is a set one. The planet itself, minus the time lateral, will completely shift into fourth density at the winter solstice of 2011.

I think you are referring to this quote. The way I interpreted it was the planet/main line graduated in the winter solstice 2011, but since we are in a time lateral, we did not participate.

This does in no way mean that we "missed the 4D bus".

This work has enabled this planet to have the added physical space/time for those entities within incarnation at this time to come to harvest on their own and also in order to give entities who graduated early the opportunity to come back into this planetary environment you call Earth and help accelerate the shift in consciousness. They, more or less, shall we say, have stacked the deck, making the tipping point ever closer towards rejoining the main line of space/time.

We confidently believe that your planet will rejoin that natural movement and progression of your planet into fourth-density space/time.

I personally believe we will reintegrate / graduate / reach the tipping point Dec 21st if an individual is both 51% positive and has done some kind of seeking in their life (they are awakened in some way or have at least sought the Mystery). I have absolutely no intention of missing that particular bus as I have no interest in continuing 3D lessons beyond this incarnation.

[caycegal]

I have really enjoyed studying this material and find much in it that is helpful. However, the idea of "cut-off points" for moving forward doesn't feel right to me, and I've learned that if something doesn't feel right it probably isn't right. The idea reminds me of the the idea prevalent in some churches even today that all who die will lie in the ground until some point in the future when they will be resurrected in their bodies on a particular day.