Compassion

[zenmaster]

My feeling is that the 6d/5d/4d wanderer would not incarnate in a dual-activated body, thus depriving all of those new to 4D of that 'transmigration' opportunity.

This assumes a scarcity of dual activated bodies.

There is a scarcity of bodies - dual activated or not. But the point is the harvested entity, upon death re-incarnates in a dual activated body. It would seem that the highest priority would be for local-logos graduates - only just now possible, followed by the recent graduates from elsewhere. Remember, for the recently harvested entity, this is the beginning of its fourth density experience and a chance to add to that density's understanding. It's a learning opportunity.

But, back to the original topic of the thread, what I think about compassion is shaped by a combination of the Ra, Q'uo, and Kryon materials, and ny intuition. I think compassion is an emotional property. It is an emotional "boat" or "pipe" or container to shuttle the pure energy of love from self to self or other-self. Kryon says it is a uniquely human sensation, and that a continual compassionate connection between the higher self and the perceived self is the key to positive mastery.

I'd have to disagree with the characterization. Generally, emotions are unconscious reactions. However, compassion involves a conscious connection or understanding. So compassion is not inherently an 'emotional property'.

Compassion may be accompanied by an unconscious reaction, to the extent that one is not aware of the situation. The ability to express compassion or be compassionate is limited by one's consciousness or conscious awareness.

[turtledude23]

But, back to the original topic of the thread, what I think about compassion is shaped by a combination of the Ra, Q'uo, and Kryon materials, and ny intuition. I think compassion is an emotional property. It is an emotional "boat" or "pipe" or container to shuttle the pure energy of love from self to self or other-self. Kryon says it is a uniquely human sensation, and that a continual compassionate connection between the higher self and the perceived self is the key to positive mastery.

I'd have to disagree with the characterization. Generally, emotions are unconscious reactions. However, compassion involves a conscious connection or understanding. So compassion is not inherently an 'emotional property'.

Compassion may be accompanied by an unconscious reaction, to the extent that one is not aware of the situation. The ability to express compassion or be compassionate is limited by one's consciousness or conscious awareness.

The liklihood and intensity of certain emotions manifesting in the future is shaped by our will now, the strongest motivator for shaping an abundance of positive emotions and minimal negative emotions being compassion. If I act nice to someone now then even If it wasn't motivated out of conscious compassion now it was indirectly brought out by compassion I felt in the past.

[unity100]

My feeling is that the 6d/5d/4d wanderer would not incarnate in a dual-activated body, thus depriving all of those new to 4D of that 'transmigration' opportunity.

you are missing to count in the excessive amount of most needed delicate energy that can be provided by a high density entity and one of those bodies. moreover, you should note that the recent big wave of wanderer incarnation and the 3-4d activated body incarnations coincide in timing, to, well recent times circa <1980

'senority of vibration' applies to those entities who are most likely to be harvested to 4D, rather than those entities that get bodies in general.

that's seniority of vibration. if, the frequency limit for 4d starter green is x, and you place the entities that are going to incarnate according to this barrier and allow incarnations from the point closest to x and lower, you basically do what i described.

the only question is whether these entities are incarnating in 3-4d bodies or not.

it has to be 3-4d bodies, because, even if they may be harvested or not, these entities are going to breed while living, leading to more bodies. and since 3d body is trying to be phased out, and 3-4d body is being used to transition to 4d bodies, you need to make all incarnations 3-4d capable, so that the 3d body will die out and 3-4d body will lead to 4d body through normal reproduction.

this is also the reason why any wanderer incarnating recently would have to be incarnating in 3-4d bodies. because, it is a necessity in order to phase out 3d bodies.

and that happened 25,000 years ago.

I understand that a handful, 'the elder race', were harvestable 25,000 years ago. What was it, 250 people? You do realize, the subsequent 25,000 year could re-arrange polarity.

entities who are able to penetrate intelligent infinity have the possibility of getting harvested whenever they want, ra says.

True. Perhaps less than 10 total entities this cycle?

i am under the impression that this type of graduation is more dominant in between negative entities, instead of positive ones.

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My feeling is that the 6d/5d/4d wanderer would not incarnate in a dual-activated body, thus depriving all of those new to 4D of that 'transmigration' opportunity.

This assumes a scarcity of dual activated bodies.

indeed. it actually has to be otherwise since the 3d body is being phased out. for it to normally happen through reproduction, you have to prevent 3d bodies from reproducing. this only would be possible with maximizing birth and matings of 3-4d bodies, and minimizing 3d bodies.

[zenmaster]

My feeling is that the 6d/5d/4d wanderer would not incarnate in a dual-activated body, thus depriving all of those new to 4D of that 'transmigration' opportunity.

you are missing to count in the excessive amount of most needed delicate energy that can be provided by a high density entity and one of those bodies. moreover, you should note that the recent big wave of wanderer incarnation and the 3-4d activated body incarnations coincide in timing, to, well recent times circa <1980

'senority of vibration' applies to those entities who are most likely to be harvested to 4D, rather than those entities that get bodies in general.

that's seniority of vibration. if, the frequency limit for 4d starter green is x, and you place the entities that are going to incarnate according to this barrier and allow incarnations from the point closest to x and lower, you basically do what i described.

the only question is whether these entities are incarnating in 3-4d bodies or not.

it has to be 3-4d bodies, because, even if they may be harvested or not, these entities are going to breed while living, leading to more bodies. and since 3d body is trying to be phased out, and 3-4d body is being used to transition to 4d bodies, you need to make all incarnations 3-4d capable, so that the 3d body will die out and 3-4d body will lead to 4d body through normal reproduction.

I was not questioning this aspect, it was the claim you made that my characterization did not fit in to the material. From what I read, the only difference in our understanding is that you contend that 6d/5d/4d wanderers must be incarnating in dual-activated bodies, while I contend that these entities are recent graduates to 4d only. My post was based on the 3 questions and answers related to this subject, including this:

Questioner: Would the purpose in transitioning to Earth prior to the complete changeover then be for the experience to be gained here before the harvesting process?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. These entities are not Wanderers in the sense that this planetary sphere is their fourth-density home planet. However, the experience of this service is earned only by those harvested third-density entities which have demonstrated a great deal of orientation towards service-to-others. It is a privilege to be allowed this early an incarnation as there is much experiential catalyst in service to other-selves at this harvesting.

[Peregrinus]

entities who are able to penetrate intelligent infinity have the possibility of getting harvested whenever they want

True. Perhaps less than 10 total entities this cycle?

As far as you know. The entire Mayan civilization just vanished into thin air. Although this was not mentioned by Ra or Q'uo, I submit that they all ascended.

[unity100]

I was not questioning this aspect, it was the claim you made that my characterization did not fit in to the material. From what I read, the only difference in our understanding is that you contend that 6d/5d/4d wanderers must be incarnating in dual-activated bodies, while I contend that these entities are recent graduates to 4d only. My post was based on the 3 questions and answers related to this subject, including this:

you yourself said that a definite identification could not be made regarding who is incarnating in these 3-4d bodies. so, we have to use rationale to conclude the highest possibility.

scarcity, is not a possibility here;

- since, since a certain while (as far as what we know not close to 1980, but earlier) entities are incarnating with seniority.

- the above, in turn, provides the incarnate entity base which is able to manifest higher vibrations which would be able to use higher energies during birth, and bring forth 3-4d activated dual bodies. (the only possibility of 3-4d bodies being generated since a recent time before 1980 requires that there are already such higher vibration 3d entities being on the planet to bear them birth in the first place)

- and the above, in turn, is intended to provide the mechanic in order to transform the body that is used on this planet into the 4d body that is going to be used in 4d, through natural means.

- since the above is desired to be done through normal reproduction, rather than planetary mass depopulation, and the 3d energy that is present on the planet will run out after a certain amount of time, it is not possible to allow generation of 3d bodies being born, because there are 7 billion entities in this planet. if 3d bodies were allowed, the 3d body population would not run out with these huge numbers, and there would be problems as 3d energy runs out.

- since 3-4d bodies are being pushed due to the need for transition, anyone incarnating has to incarnate in these bodies. since seniority of vibration is practiced during incarnations, and as the harvest vibration approaches, closer entities to harvest (in vibration) would need to be allowed to incarnate than further, the bodies and the vibrations even the non-harvested entities would become closer. (not to mention that the 3-4d bodies are capable of both vibrations).

all these sequence of needs and cause-effects, means that the 3-4d bodies are the dominant bodies on the planet among newborn since a while.

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if we remember what Ra told about this transition, 3-4d bodies and the newly born, they had noted various things, one of which was that 'they will look like a new breed'.

curiously, if you check the generations born since then, you will notice that they are increasingly starting to resemble each other in most respects, even if they are from separate countries, races, and genetic pools, in a lot of features.

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As far as you know. The entire Mayan civilization just vanished into thin air. Although this was not mentioned by Ra or Q'uo, I submit that they all ascended.

if they had ascended, that would imply that these entities were able to manifest a higher vibration than 3d, and such a situation would mean they were harvestable, and this would be noted by Ra.

moreover, this ascension thing seems to be a motif of christian religion, which is later taken up by spiritual literature. im not sure whether such a concept of 'ascending' with a lower vibration body, into a higher vibration and changing dimension actually exists at all.

in-spirit, it is all possible. with an already higher vibration capable body, it should definitely be possible. but, with a body which can not readily physically manifest higher vibrations, is it possible ? .....

[Peregrinus]

if they had ascended, that would imply that these entities were able to manifest a higher vibration than 3d, and such a situation would mean they were harvestable, and this would be noted by Ra.

moreover, this ascension thing seems to be a motif of christian religion, which is later taken up by spiritual literature. im not sure whether such a concept of 'ascending' with a lower vibration body, into a higher vibration and changing dimension actually exists at all.

in-spirit, it is all possible. with an already higher vibration capable body, it should definitely be possible. but, with a body which can not readily physically manifest higher vibrations, is it possible ? .....

Accept my apology for the terminology; they were harvested. You are correct that Ra did not mention this. Ra was not asked. Those that Ra spoke of doing work in South America were the Pleiadians.

14.15 Questioner: Going back to when we started this 75,000 year period, there was a harvest 25,000 years after the start which would make it 50,000 years ago. Can you tell me how many were harvested at that time?

Ra: I am Ra. The harvest was none.

14.16 Questioner: There was no harvest? What about 25,000 years ago?

Ra: I am Ra. A harvesting began taking place in the latter portion, as you measure time/space, of the second cycle, with individuals finding the gateway to intelligent infinity. The harvest of that time, though extremely small, was those entities of extreme distortion towards service to the entities who were now to repeat the major cycle. These entities, therefore, remained in third density although they could, at any moment/present nexus, leave this density through use of intelligent infinity.

14.17 Questioner: Then in the harvest 25,000 years ago, the entities who could have been harvested into the fourth density chose to remain here in service to this planetary population. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Thus, there was no harvest, but there were harvestable entities who shall choose the manner of their entrance into fourth dimension.

14.18 Questioner: Then for the last 2,300 years you have been working to create as large a harvest as possible at the end of the total 75,000 year cycle. Can you state with respect to the Law of One why you do this?

Ra: I am Ra. I speak for the social memory complex termed Ra. We came among you to aid you. Our efforts in service were perverted. Our desire then is to eliminate as far as possible the distortions caused by those misreading our information and guidance. The general cause of service such as the Confederation offers is that of the primal distortion of the Law of One, which is service. The One Being of the creation is like unto a body, if you will accept this third-density analogy. Would we ignore a pain in the leg? A bruise upon the skin? A cut which is festering. No. There is no ignoring a call. We, the entities of sorrow, chose as our service the attempt to heal the sorrow which we are calling analogous to the pains of a physical body complex/distortion.

[AnthroHeart]

Pere, that's an awesome quote. I've reached a state that I believe is the intelligent infinity, and the gateway. It's been recent that I found this, so I'm not yet able to use it to it's full potential. My feeling is we'd need to also raise the body to that level, rather than just the mind and spirit.

Even though I can touch on what I believe to be the intelligent infinity, I can't quite check out of here. Not sure if it's because not having ability yet, or just wanting to stay around here and help with the ascension.

I think it also requires an extreme level of balancing one's field. Still, a great quote there.

I like the quote of "Our desire then is to eliminate as far as possible the distortions caused by those misreading our information and guidance". It seems that need has come to me rather strongly, or should I say my own desire is to assist with this, using my experience here in 3rd as a wanderer. I feel my efforts are welcomed, and are making a difference. So I continue the work of bringing stillness.

[Peregrinus]

Pere, that's an awesome quote. I've reached a state that I believe is the intelligent infinity, and the gateway. It's been recent that I found this, so I'm not yet able to use it to it's full potential. My feeling is we'd need to also raise the body to that level, rather than just the mind and spirit.

Even though I can touch on what I believe to be the intelligent infinity, I can't quite check out of here. Not sure if it's because not having ability yet, or just wanting to stay around here and help with the ascension.

I think it also requires an extreme level of balancing one's field. Still, a great quote there.

I like the quote of "Our desire then is to eliminate as far as possible the distortions caused by those misreading our information and guidance". It seems that need has come to me rather strongly, or should I say my own desire is to assist with this, using my experience here in 3rd as a wanderer. I feel my efforts are welcomed, and are making a difference. So I continue the work of bringing stillness.

I've started a thread in the Session in Focus specifically on the subject of the indigo work.

2007.11.24 - Work in the Indigo

[zenmaster]

entities who are able to penetrate intelligent infinity have the possibility of getting harvested whenever they want

True. Perhaps less than 10 total entities this cycle?

As far as you know. The entire Mayan civilization just vanished into thin air. Although this was not mentioned by Ra or Q'uo, I submit that they all ascended.

Could be, but I doubt it. More likely they just dispersed. Not exactly documented like the roman civilization break up so open to fantasy interpretation. I know, not as exciting, but sometimes the more mundane explanation suffices. The ruins at Tikal were certainly fascinating though.

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all these sequence of needs and cause-effects, means that the 3-4d bodies are the dominant bodies on the planet among newborn since a while.

The dual-activated applies to recently harvested 3d. 3d energy is still supplied during the 'transition'. 3d unharvestable will not continue to incarnate past the cycle. However, does the cycle include the transition? Maybe and maybe not. But dual-activated wanderers is still very questionable, according to the material and what I feel is logical. It's not at all the necessary conclusion that you continue to claim. And my characterization is certainly not something that does not 'fit' with the material, as you also claim. I would defer to what the material has stated on the subject, which seems reasonable.

[unity100]

The dual-activated applies to recently harvested 3d.

there is no such mandate that limits 3-4d bodies to recently harvested 3d entities in the material. they are also incarnating in 3-4d bodies.

But dual-activated wanderers is still very questionable, according to the material and what I feel is logical.

I would defer to what the material has stated on the subject, which seems reasonable.

the q/as you referenced do not provide any basis for concluding that 3-4d bodies are limited to recently harvested.

moreover, as i said, there is no way that the gradual transition of bodies from 3d to 4d would be even possible, with the limitations you propose.

this planet has a whopping 7 billion incarnates as of this moment, and they are reproducing as of this moment. approx 4-5 babies per second. its not a 60 million population like Ra got harvested as 3 million out of 60.

with the scarcity and limitation you propose, this planet would need a massive die-off in very short duration in order to remove 3d bodies even in a few hundred years, when the 3d energy expires. (questionable when it will expire too). for a smooth transition, whomever being born, have to get incarnated in bodies which will be able to withstand 4d vibrations, and lack of 3d vibrations.

it is fat chance that there would be as many newly harvested 3d entities coming here as much as the ones being born into this 7 billion population. even Ra's successful harvest was 5% out of its entire population.

current world population growth rate is 1%. this means 70 million entities are born each year. there is no way that these entities would be 3d harvested. not to mention that you are proposing scarcity. so it means that whopping majority of these bodies, would be 3d bodies, which will in turn reproduce to keep 3d bodies over billion grade numbers. with that you would need a massive die off in order to remove 3d bodies which will be incompatible with 3d vibration missing energy model of the planet, and there wouldnt be any normal transition.

[zenmaster]

moreover, as i said, there is no way that the gradual transition of bodies from 3d to 4d would be even possible, with the limitations you propose.

I don't see how it would be impossible. More and more will be dual activated, and less and less will be 3d-only. The dual-activated type will be those entities that have never experienced 4d before. What you have with that scenario is more harvested from elsewhere, that for some reason could not continue living on their own planets. Perhaps they had a split harvest and their planets were mainly negative.

it is fat chance that there would be as many newly harvested 3d entities coming here as much as the ones being born into this 7 billion population. even Ra's successful harvest was 5% out of its entire population.

Not sure why you think a single planetary harvest, compared to the thousands possible, is significant to the new 4d population contribution. The universe is a big place.

[unity100]

moreover, as i said, there is no way that the gradual transition of bodies from 3d to 4d would be even possible, with the limitations you propose.

I don't see how it would be impossible. More and more will be dual activated, and less and less will be 3d-only. The dual-activated type will be those entities that have never experienced 4d before. What you have with that scenario is more harvested from elsewhere, that for some reason could not continue living on their own planets. Perhaps they had a split harvest and their planets were mainly negative.

but i already cited the reasons in the above post. i think you missed the points.

the level at which 'more and more' of 4d activated bodies in a scarce situation and 'less and less' of 3d bodies would be able to meet each other in the middle to make a smooth transition is long past, due to this planet's population number.

its 7 billion. not 30 million not 60 million like in Ra's experience. every second 5 babies.

if, the 4d activated bodies were scarce as you speak, then it would mean that a small percentage of these babies that are born each hour (18,000+) would be 4d activated. rest would be 3d bodies, and this would keep the 3d body population increasing, not decreasing.

and then there is the question of harvest rates. ra's successful harvest was 5%. from over 60 million, 3 million graduated.

so, by allowing only newly 4d harvested entities into 3-4d bodies, there is no way that the reproduction rates of 4d bodies and 3d bodies would meet each other. there needs to be heaps of 4d graduates rightly available at this exact point in time and 100-200 years following it, to pull that off, and moreover, they should be all compatible with this logos' archetype, vibrations, biases and so on and the plan it chose, in order to be able to come here and incarnate. its not only a harvest numbers issue (which is a strong issue itself), but also a compatibility issue.

7 billion is a big number.

it is fat chance that there would be as many newly harvested 3d entities coming here as much as the ones being born into this 7 billion population. even Ra's successful harvest was 5% out of its entire population.

Not sure why you think a single planetary harvest, compared to the thousands possible, is significant to the new 4d population contribution. The universe is a big place.

ra's was dubbed as a harmonious, successful harvest. it was a positive one to boot, and positive harvests yield higher numbers than negative harvests. (to maintain the 1 to 10 numbers and power ratio Ra spoke of in regard to balance).

so, its a good example of a successful positive harvest.

universe is a big place, however other galaxies are out of question. ra had had noted that there had been those joining Ra complex, and had been wanderers in other galaxies. however, this was a rare phenomenon.

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...=1&ss=1#27

leave aside entities just moving from one galaxy to other to incarnate as newly harvested 4d entities, ra hasnt even traveled to other galaxies. had there been such a concept of universe-wide transplantations of harvested entities, it would not only be mentioned anywhere in the material, but also, similarly, moving about in between galaxies wouldnt be this scarce, leave aside wanderer situations in between galaxies.

this is due to archetypal issues, like in the ones discussed in book 4.