Is 4D Endless Love?

[AnthroHeart]

I like both your responses unbound and darklight.
For us to be conscious of infinite wisdom, we must be balanced.

[Minyatur]

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. The nature of the negative path determines its limits, my brother. For the negative polarity is the path of that which is not. The heart of the negative polarity is a lie. That lie is separation. The negative polarity is based upon skipping the development of the heart chakra and developing the ability to use the gateway to intelligent infinity without the use of the heart. This is possible and acceptable to the one infinite Creator. Yet, the creation is as it is. All is indeed one. Therefore, the path of positive polarity is the path of that which is.

I believe this to be wrong. If there is no separateness, there shouldn't be one of the two paths that is a lie, both should be as both are not. The STO path and STS path starts in 3D and can go on to 6D, they seem equal in many ways in my view. It's just that the ratio tend to make STO looks better because STS has a smaller role in Creation and that there is more STO entities that reject STS ways than STS entities that reject STO ways. But I guess it's quite natural way of viewing things and the STS path probably say something of the sort about the STO path. For exemple, that they only want to accomodate others which will never let anyone learn anything new nor grow. 

Both path are services to self/others, there is nothing which is a not a service and all entities will end up loosing polarity when reaching 7D showing them the limits of both paths. The One real path of a Logos, IMO is to let sub-logoi work on themselves in whatever way is required for them to learn as the Creator of Himself. I have a hard time viewing STO as any different than STS, it's just more self-righteous way where as STS entities don't mind being misunderstood into the bad guys. The One is a blending of both, not only one of the two paths. 
 
Well this is my humble opinion and I value Q'uo's channeling a lot, but STO channeling always seem biased toward STS entities which only seem to be something they do not understand and to me it makes perfect sense as this is probably the sole thing that can still be worked upon as a 6D STO group that wishes to harvest into 7D. Fighting STS is STS even with STO intentions anyway, so wanting to remove the STS control over this sphere to create a STO world is very very STS-like in nature. There is a want to change something, as it does not fit your own ways.

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I think 4D is about learning Love, you remember all of your 3D incarnations and are open to everyone else on a telepathic/empathic level. The lack of understanding of others in Love most probably becomes apparent and you start working on this. If I remember correctly, Ra said that in 4D you will work upon each of your previous thoughts of each of your past incarnations to grow in understanding of Love. 

So rather than being in endless orgasmic love, I'd say you work gradually toward feeling that. Though, worlds that were initially very STO might not have had the opportunity to work on STS acceptance in 4D, thus why we lot end up wandering on a very STS polarized planet, to make up at some point of the lack of understanding of that side of Creation or of the One. STO entities think that the planet is the only thing that needs to change and not them. We are as much Teachers/Learners as Learners/Teachers on this sphere.

[darklight]

According Ra and Q’uo, the late 6th density STS entity will realize that his path is a dead end. Like a star that can't generate more energy from iron.

[AnthroHeart]

Until the star supernovas and generates heavier elements like Uranium and Gold. It also creates a neutron star or a black hole.

[Minyatur]

According Ra and Q’uo, the late 6th density STS entity will realize that his path is a dead end. Like a star that can't generate more energy from iron.

I do remember that, but what tells that Ra won't do the same with the STO path if he wishes to harvest into 7D?

A Logos seems not to have any preference toward any path. The Earth is in it's fondations STO, but when humans polarize it too negatively, it will resort to negative behaviors in turn to lower the humans negativity. This can be viewed in eartquakes and many other natural events which in turn lead to human cooperation. The polarity is decided by the conciousnesses that grow on it's surface, not by what the Earth wants. Being STO has it's limits in that STO is not the correct response to all things.

A quote from the Thoth's tablet of The Key of Wisdom, that speaks of this principle. Resisting can be viewed as STS, but a needed STS.

Man supports himself only on that which resists. 
So Earth must resist man else he existeth not.

[darklight]

Until the star supernovas and generates heavier elements like Uranium and Gold. It also creates a neutron star or a black hole.

Indeed.

Metaphorically, the late 6th density negative entity would accept this in order to progress to unity en reach 7D together with his STO brothers and sisters.

[AnthroHeart]

It's either Service to All for harvest to 7D or Service to Creator. I'm not sure which.

[AnthroHeart]

Until the star supernovas and generates heavier elements like Uranium and Gold. It also creates a neutron star or a black hole.

Indeed.

Metaphorically, the late 6th density negative entity would accept this in order to progress to unity en reach 7D together with his STO brothers and sisters.

Indeed, one on the STO path has less to give up than one on the STS path when going through 6D.

[darklight]

Until the star supernovas and generates heavier elements like Uranium and Gold. It also creates a neutron star or a black hole.

Indeed.

Metaphorically, the late 6th density negative entity would accept this in order to progress to unity en reach 7D together with his STO brothers and sisters.

Indeed, one on the STO path has less to give up than one on the STS path when going through 6D.

Mid 6th density is very hard for the neggies.

[darklight]

Do you think that 7D is not a normal space/time like in 3D, but more like a narrow space/time wormhole? 

After all, 7D is the gateway cycle which means that 7D entities are on their way to leave the space/time illusion.

[AnthroHeart]

I think 7D is real, whereas all else is illusion. You get to know truth firsthand. Both good and bad.

[Minyatur]

Do you think that 7D is not a normal space/time like in 3D, but more like a narrow space/time wormhole? 

After all, 7D is the gateway cycle which means that 7D entities are on their way to leave the space/time illusion.

I think 7D is any celestial being, the bigger they get the more their perception of time will change. From a relativity stand point, time would slow down to them while the rest of the Universe would seem to speed up. The end of this is probably the center of the Universe where time would break down but 7D is most likely way much longer than the 6 first ones. 

I've seen websites saying that there was up to 12 densities. At 7th happens the loss of individuality and from then on, each densities means being a Higher God. My guess would be something of the sort :

7 = Moon-like, 
8 = Planet-like,
9 = Star-like,
10 = Star cluster-like,
11 = Galaxy-like,
12 = Galaxy cluster-like

Ra seems to group all that up in the 7th.

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The higher they go, the bigger they are, the heavier they get and so the more timeless they become. As time perceived by general relativity, this makes sense.

[TickledWizard]

Plenum and Jade killed it in answering this question, in my opinion :-)

[AnthroHeart]

I don't see how a being will ever leave 7D if it's timeless.

[darklight]

I don't see how a being will ever leave 7D if it's timeless.

Ra's teachers leaved 7th density

60.30 Questioner: What civilization was it that helped Ra using the pyramid shape while Ra was in third density?

Ra: I am Ra. Your people have a fondness for the naming. These entities have begun their travel back to the Creator and are no longer experiencing time.

[AnthroHeart]

Several times I tried to return myself to Creator. Not sure if it was selfish or not. But it didn't accomplish anything. I thought I was returning a gift to Creator each time.

[Jade]

Gem, you don't have to return to the Creator to experience the Creator, you can learn to embrace the Creator through your own being and channel it through yourself.

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks Jade. I want to once again get back to Creator's unconditional Love.

[Jade]

Fake it til you make it.

[anagogy]

I don't see how a being will ever leave 7D if it's timeless.

We never "leave" any density.  You exist at all levels simultaneously.  The only thing that happens is your focus changes.  You are still 8th density, even now.  But as a focused consciousness its almost like you have a telescope that is focusing into another room.  So you are always in 8th density, but you are focused on the outer edges of that infinity which we interpret as being incarnate as a specific density level.  Every "lower" density, is just a more specific, and narrow, focus.  That's why the source of all distortions is the limit of the viewpoint.  Your focus determines your limitations, or how "broad" your view is.

It's the same with being in a body.  You are not "in" a body.  You, as raw awareness, are just looking through a "body sensory window" at the world.  You're always sitting in the Infinite Now.

[Shemaya]

Love it anagogy! awesome post

[AnthroHeart]

But I get so bored with my current awareness. And with the limitations of my "body".

[Shemaya]

Gem that can be a problem at any level....here can actually be less boring because we can always work on expanding our awareness.

Expansion of awareness can be deeper and within ourselves, not just into higher densities.

[Plenum]

But I get so bored with my current awareness. And with the limitations of my "body".

we tend to repeat conditions, until we are ready to move on.

Limitation is chosen as a boundary condition for learning.

[AnthroHeart]

6D is more balanced love, so it's more appropriate. I think it surpasses what we can understand in 3D.

I don't think we can truly know what love is here.