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Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 01-09-2015
Is it true that we don't feel anything but unending love in 4D? Is it a full body love like an orgasm of the body all the time?
Does our compassion for other selves increase as we progress in 4D?
I think there can be wisdom in 4D, at least when compared with 3D. Not everyone becomes a martyr.
I don't think I would.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Spaced - 01-09-2015
Ask someone in 4th density, we're all here experiencing 3rd density with you
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 01-09-2015
(01-09-2015, 02:27 PM)Spaced Wrote: Ask someone in 4th density, we're all here experiencing 3rd density with you
If only I could pierce the veil to get an answer. I wonder if I have to use magic to communicate with 4D.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Bluebell - 01-09-2015
I wonder too. I suppose it is quite orgasmic. But how do they have sex if everyone is wandering around high as a kite? How can they even make clear headed decisions? Oh wait... they can't
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Unbound - 01-09-2015
No, there is still much work to do and 4D is the density of refining the understanding of love. I don't believe for a second that the higher densities are all fluff and dreamworlds, there is still an experience of work being done.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 01-09-2015
Outside of 3D there is no veil, so no confusion.
I agree there is sense of work to be done.
But I like that even mealtime is spent amongst friends.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Unbound - 01-09-2015
It can be spent among friends here too, if you are open to people and to making friends. Being in 4D won't resolve social awkwardness.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 01-09-2015
But the bond between two people must be stronger in 4D than 3D. That's my thinking. Energy exchanges are more profound.
That's great that I can reconnect with friends I've not in awhile.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Bluebell - 01-09-2015
(01-09-2015, 03:03 PM)Unbound Wrote: It can be spent among friends here too, if you are open to people and to making friends. Being in 4D won't resolve social awkwardness.
how do u know? i was kinda hoping it would!
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - anagogy - 01-09-2015
(01-09-2015, 02:24 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Is it true that we don't feel anything but unending love in 4D? Is it a full body love like an orgasm of the body all the time?
Does our compassion for other selves increase as we progress in 4D?
I think there can be wisdom in 4D, at least when compared with 3D. Not everyone becomes a martyr.
I don't think I would.
Much as 3rd density is predicated upon self awareness, which naturally necessitates awareness of others to, 4th density is predicated on awareness of love, or rather, the conscious awareness that everything is connected. This is why it is the density of understanding. You're infinitely more compassionate if you are STO in 4th density because you are very intensely aware of what other souls are feeling.
I don't believe that 4D is feeling all blissed out on drugs all the time. If you felt that way all the time, you would stop feeling that way, because it would be your baseline experience and there would be no contrast to set the feeling apart as something "special" or "different". This is also why you lose consciousness of autonomic functions, or even repetitive non autonomic functions. Mind is perception of change. No contrast, no need for consciousness. This is what happens when you are done using catalyst, you lose consciousness of it. It fades into the background.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Unbound - 01-09-2015
(01-09-2015, 03:07 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: But the bond between two people must be stronger in 4D than 3D. That's my thinking. Energy exchanges are more profound.I don't think so, personally, because with no veil the intensity of things goes way down. A much stronger bond is built between two people who learn to trust and have faith despite the veil than two who are just automatically aware of their unity. That was the whole point behind the veil in the first place, to intensify experiences. When there is no challenge, what incentive is there for formulating a strong bond?
That's great that I can reconnect with friends I've not in awhile.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - darklight - 01-09-2015
(01-09-2015, 02:28 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(01-09-2015, 02:27 PM)Spaced Wrote: Ask someone in 4th density, we're all here experiencing 3rd density with you
If only I could pierce the veil to get an answer. I wonder if I have to use magic to communicate with 4D.
I use the ghost radar app. I know there are no positive entities here and the red dots on the display showing the neggies sniffing around in my room.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Plenum - 01-10-2015
(01-09-2015, 02:24 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I think there can be wisdom in 4D, at least when compared with 3D. Not everyone becomes a martyr.
I don't think I would.
how do you understand martyrdom?
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 01-10-2015
I probably don't understand it not being 4D. But I didn't think that everyone chose to die. Some would have more wisdom than that I would think.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Unbound - 01-10-2015
Well 4D positive tends to hang out with 4D positive, I don't think martyrdom is very common in that case.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Plenum - 01-10-2015
(01-10-2015, 03:39 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I probably don't understand it not being 4D. But I didn't think that everyone chose to die. Some would have more wisdom than that I would think.
you're referring to the case of Jesus, right?
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 01-10-2015
I was referring to how Ra said that 4D's tend to martyr if I have it correct.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Jade - 01-11-2015
"The path of martyrdom", as Ra calls it, is not just about death. Martyrdom is about taking on so much that you become weak, overwhelmed, and burdened with how much you are trying to do. There is the tendency towards this with 4D love, and 5th density is learning the wisdom to know when to act and when acting is over-acting. In compassionate love we can just keep giving of ourselves until there's nothing left, or we can just keep following the orders of beings who aren't having us act in our best interest. This is martyrdom. Some martyrs take it a step further and bask in the sympathy they get from others - "poor you", "your life must be so hard!", etc, gives a lot of beings the strength and reason to keep moving forward with their path of over-extension. It feels good to be appreciated! Sometimes we deny ourselves pleasure for "the greater good" - like Carla did when she gave up her shopping habit to be more impoverished.
Quote:As to the instrument, the journey from worth in action to worth in esse is arduous. The entity has denied itself in order to be free from that which it calls addiction*. This sort of martyrdom, and here we speak of the small but symbolically great sacrifice of the clothing, causes the entity to frame a selfhood in poorness which feeds unworthiness unless the poverty is seen to be true richness. In other words, good works for the wrong reasons cause confusion and distortion. We encourage the instrument to value itself and to see that its true requirements are valued by the self. We suggest contemplation of true richness of being.
* Carla had made a New Year’s resolution to give up buying clothes for herself for one year
So in 5th density we start learning how to say no, really, to not take on too much. We learn to balance our love so that when we act, there is no detriment to others, like ourselves from overexertion, and we learn when our helping others is just enabling. We learn to fine tune our balance so that we are giving as much of ourselves as possible but not *too* much. Martyrdom is giving too much. Martyrdom happens when one gets stuck in the heart chakra, and is unable to move into the higher chakras. Ra warns of this path but also says it is nothing less than perfect. In fact Ra speaks of the martyr a lot because its preferred instrument, Carla, has/had tendencies towards martyrdom due to her worship of the perfection of Jesus Christ.
Quote:75.15 Questioner: The chink then, as I understand it, was originally created by the decision of Jesus to take the path of martyrdom? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is, in relation to this instrument, quite correct. It is aware of certain over-balances towards love, even to martyrdom but has not yet, to any significant degree, balanced these distortions. We do not imply that this course of unbridled compassion has any fault but affirm its perfection. It is an example of love which has served as beacon to many.
For those who seek further, the consequences of martyrdom must be considered, for in martyrdom lies the end of the opportunity, in the density of the martyr, to offer love and light. Each entity must seek its deepest path.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Plenum - 01-12-2015
(01-10-2015, 07:53 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I was referring to how Ra said that 4D's tend to martyr if I have it correct.
thanks Gemini. I think this is the quote in question.
Quote:42.6 Questioner: In the last session you made the statement that “We, that is Ra, spent much time/space in the fifth density balancing the intense compassion gained in fourth density.” Could you expand on this concept with respect to what we were just discussing?
Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density, as we have said, abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of third density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity.
Thus we, as a social memory complex of fourth density, had the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom in aid of other-selves. When the fifth-density harvest was achieved we found that in this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such unrelieved compassion. We spent much time/space in contemplation of those ways of the Creator which imbue love with wisdom.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 02-20-2015
I took on anything but a martyr's life. Life is pretty chill for me. Except got work to do.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - darklight - 02-20-2015
Love = distorted energy in 4th density that need balance with wisdom.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 02-20-2015
So it seems that in 5th density (and I wonder if 4th too), you can spend your time in time/space, and not just space/time.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - darklight - 02-20-2015
Quote:87.5 Questioner: Thank you. What is the present situation with respect to our fifth-density negative companion?
Ra: I am Ra. This entity has withdrawn for a period of restoration of its polarity.
Ra: I am Ra. The environment of your companion is that of the rock, the cave, the place of barrenness, for this is the density of wisdom. That which is needed may be thought and received. To this entity very little is necessary upon the physical, if you will, or space/time complex of distortions.
Such an entity spends its consciousness within the realms of time/space in an attempt to learn the ways of wisdom through the utmost use of the powers and resources of the self. Since the self is the Creator, the wisdom density provides many informative and fascinating experiences for the negatively polarized entity. In some respects one may see a more lucid early attachment to wisdom from those of negative polarity as the nexus of positions of consciousness upon which wisdom is laid is simpler.
But this is 5th density negative.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 02-20-2015
I know in 6D time/space the sun may be visited. Time/space must be used by positive too in 5D, for it enhances wisdom.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - darklight - 02-20-2015
(02-20-2015, 03:02 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I know in 6D time/space the sun may be visited. Time/space must be used by positive too in 5D, for it enhances wisdom.
But enter the time/space I assume they have to 'sleep'?
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 02-20-2015
(02-20-2015, 03:10 PM)darklight Wrote:(02-20-2015, 03:02 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I know in 6D time/space the sun may be visited. Time/space must be used by positive too in 5D, for it enhances wisdom.
But enter the time/space I assume they have to 'sleep'?
Yes, I assume so too. Though maybe less than we do in 3D.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - darklight - 02-20-2015
(02-20-2015, 03:16 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(02-20-2015, 03:10 PM)darklight Wrote:(02-20-2015, 03:02 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I know in 6D time/space the sun may be visited. Time/space must be used by positive too in 5D, for it enhances wisdom.
But enter the time/space I assume they have to 'sleep'?
Yes, I assume so too. Though maybe less than we do in 3D.
I think it's more like remote viewing. It would be more proper to use the word "spying". This is typical STS.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - AnthroHeart - 02-20-2015
There's unconditional love, which is infinite.
Is there infinite wisdom?
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - Unbound - 02-20-2015
Everything is infinite.
RE: Is 4D Endless Love? - darklight - 02-20-2015
(02-20-2015, 03:38 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: There's unconditional love, which is infinite.
Is there infinite wisdom?
Wisdom without love/accepting others is incompleteness and therefore finite.
Quote:We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. The nature of the negative path determines its limits, my brother. For the negative polarity is the path of that which is not. The heart of the negative polarity is a lie. That lie is separation. The negative polarity is based upon skipping the development of the heart chakra and developing the ability to use the gateway to intelligent infinity without the use of the heart. This is possible and acceptable to the one infinite Creator. Yet, the creation is as it is. All is indeed one. Therefore, the path of positive polarity is the path of that which is.