(07-31-2012, 08:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(07-31-2012, 06:40 PM)anagogy Wrote:(07-31-2012, 06:21 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Anagogy, then that would not seem to square with what was said regarding Maldek?
Explain the contradiction with regard to Maldek, if you would please. Actually, there are some aspects I'm trying to reconcile about Maldek and Mars and time frames given in the Ra material with regard to past life regressions I've investigated. There are some inconsistencies relative to life at the end of Mars, but I want to hear your thoughts first.
"....The escalation went to the furthest extent of the technology this social complex had at its disposal in the space/time present of the then time. This time was approximately 705,000 of your years ago....
"Approximately 600,000 of your years ago the then-existing members of the Confederation were able to deploy a social memory complex and untie the knot of fear."
"...the transition to this planet began approximately 500,000 of your years ago and the type of body complex available at that time was used."
So 205,000 years between end of 3D for Maldek and 2D incarnation here.
First off, you are raising some good points. If I understand you correctly, you are raising the point that their was a gap of time in space/time, despite the Maldek entities being non-physical, which is allegedly a state of being where all times are simultaneous?
(If i'm not understanding your point, feel free to be more specific)
In response to this, I would say Maldek is a unique circumstance, due to the fact that they literally blew their planet to smithereens, causing them to literally stop being self aware for a while. Ra has stated that in the case of nuclear explosions the transition to the non-physical is sometimes interrupted. I can only surmise what the effect of a nuclear explosion is that is so big that it literally destroys an entire planet. I can only imagine what it does to a group of beings.
I would surmise it would be a bit like the lingering ghost phenomenon, where the yellow ray space/time body cannot be completely deactivated and one is caught (and thus, still in the flow of space/time to some extent). This is not unheard of in hauntings and such. There are definitely cases where it appears a particular area is inhabited by ghost that appears to keep replaying the same events, almost in an unconscious fashion, over and over again, yet nevertheless is still caught in the flow of our time (otherwise inhabitants of the current time period would not perceive them). In the Maldek entities case, it would be a planet wide state of unconscious sleep walking. I believe this is the "knot" Ra referred to.
Secondly, recall that when a social memory complex was finally able to "untie" the knot of fear in the Maldek entities, they were then able to recall that they were conscious, which brought them to a state of awareness on the lower astral plane. This almost seems to support the idea that their transfer to the non-physical was interrupted to some extent. My theory is they were caught in space/time for those 205,000 years, despite being discarnate.
But who knows, you could be right. It's definitely food for thought.
Another quote with interesting tid bits in it:
Quote:21.5 Questioner: That’s what I thought you’d say.
Now we’ll get back to the business at hand— doing the book. I want, as we cover this early part of the 75,000 year cycle, I would like to go back a little bit, quite some distance perhaps, before the 75,000 years occurred, and take one more look at the transfer of entities from Maldek to clear up this point. I’d like to check the time that you gave us, because we had some distortions in numbers back in the early part of this, and I’m afraid this might be distorted. These entities from Maldek were transferred how many years ago?
Ra: I am Ra. The entities of which you speak underwent several transitions, the first occurring 500,000 of your years, approximately, in your past, as you measure time. At this time, the entities were transformed into a knot. This continued for what you would call eons of your time. Those aiding them were repeatedly unable to reach them.
At a period approximately 200,000 years in your past, as you measure time, a Confederation entity was able to begin to relax this knot from which none had escaped during planetary annihilation. These entities then were transformed again into the inner or time/space dimensions and underwent a lengthy process of healing. When this was accomplished, these entities were then able to determine the appropriate movement, shall we say, in order to set up conditions for alleviation of the consequences of their actions. At a time 46,000 of your years in your past, as you measure time, this being approximate, these entities chose incarnation within the planetary sphere.
This quote actually seems to contradict the quote you shared that stated that the entities began their transition to our sphere 500,000 years ago. Instead, Ra says 46,000 years ago this time. I find this most curious.
There are several possibilities I can think of:
It is possible that this second date is referring to when the Maldek entities started incarnating in actual 3rd density bodies. Perhaps the earlier date was simply referring to the incarnation in 2nd density bodies. It is also possible that, in the original quote, when Ra said they "began" transfer to our sphere, it was simply referring to the start of the series of events or transformations that would lead to the eventual incarnation in the time period mentioned in the second quote. It could also simply be an error in transmission.
Then in the next quote:
Quote:21.6 Questioner: I see. Then no incarnation occurred before this master 75,000 year cycle of Maldek entities. Correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct in the sense of incarnation in third-density time/space.
21.7 Questioner: Were there any of these entities then incarnated in second density before the 75,000-year cycle?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. These particular entities were incarnate in time/space third density, that is, the so-called inner planes, undergoing the process of healing and approaching realization of their action.
This part I can't make heads or tells of, as Ra is fairly vague here. But it would appear the earlier transmission was possibly in error.
(07-31-2012, 06:40 PM)anagogy Wrote:(07-31-2012, 06:21 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Further, Mars could not have stopped its evolution at the precise time Earth started its 3D.
Why not?
I know it sounds a bit improbable. However, perhaps 3rd density life on Earth was hastened along to accommodate the foreseen destruction of the Martian biosphere. We are dealing with forces that utilize time to suit their needs, after all.
(07-31-2012, 08:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote: 3D life had been hastened along due to Maldek incarnations with their 'distilled experience' and the influx of mid 3D+ souls - with their 'distilled experience', and the expanded opportunities provided by the guardian-altered bodies over the native 2D forms. But the beginning of earth's 3D was not (as per your 'clock' quote above).
What I intended to communicate was that the 3D cycle began when the Earth was capable of supporting such entities.