(07-31-2012, 09:28 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Pickle, it was said that 3D began on earth, for the first time, only 75,000 years ago. Slowly evolving, native 2D bipedal ape-forms preceded, for millions of years.

(07-30-2012, 11:08 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It was said that, after their environment became unlivable in mid 3D, transplanted 3D Martians joined the beginning of Earth's 75K-year 3D cycle. But how long was the time span between Mars' mid-3D and Earth's 3D beginning?

(07-31-2012, 06:21 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Anagogy, then that would not seem to square with what was said regarding Maldek?

(07-31-2012, 06:21 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Further, Mars could not have stopped its evolution at the precise time Earth started its 3D.

Quote:9.10 Questioner: How long ago did this transfer occur from the Red Planet to Earth?

Ra: I am Ra. In your time this transfer occurred approximately 75,000 years ago.

(07-31-2012, 07:11 PM)Pickle Wrote: Martians were the first 3D here? I haven't put any time into asking, but the first thing that popped into my pea sized brain is that 75k years ago may have marked the beginning of a "cycle"?

Quote:9.3 Questioner: The way that I understand the process of evolution is that our planetary population has a certain amount of time to progress. This is generally divided into three 25,000-year cycles. At the end of 75,000 years the planet progresses itself. What caused this situation to come about with the preciseness of the years in each cycle?

Ra: I am Ra. Visualize, if you will, the particular energy which, outward flowing and inward coagulating, formed the tiny realm of the creation governed by your Council of Saturn. Continue seeing the rhythm of this process. The living flow creates a rhythm which is as inevitable as one of your timepieces. Each of your planetary entities began the first cycle when the energy nexus was able in that environment to support such mind/body experiences. Thus, each of your planetary entities is on a different cyclical schedule as you might call it. The timing of these cycles is a measurement equal to a portion of intelligent energy.

This intelligent energy offers a type of clock. The cycles move as precisely as a clock strikes your hour. Thus, the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour.

(07-31-2012, 05:57 PM)anagogy Wrote: In time/space mass becomes zero, and time become infinite.

(07-31-2012, 08:41 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(07-31-2012, 05:57 PM)anagogy Wrote: In time/space mass becomes zero, and time become infinite.

Why would you claim that? time/space is the reciprocal of space/time, which would mean mass is infinite in space/time.

Quote:70.19 Questioner: Were these constructed in time/space or space/time?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask your persistent patience, for our answer must be complex.

A construct of thought was formed in time/space. This portion of time/space is that which approaches the speed of light. In time/space, at this approach, the conditions are such that time becomes infinite and mass ceases so that one which is able to skim the, shall we say, boundary strength of this time/space is able to become placed where it will.

When we were where we wished to be we then clothed the construct of light with that which would appear as the crystal bell. This was formed through the boundary into space/time. Thus there were two constructs, the time/space or immaterial construct, and the space/time or materialized construct.

(07-31-2012, 06:40 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(07-31-2012, 06:21 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Anagogy, then that would not seem to square with what was said regarding Maldek?

Explain the contradiction with regard to Maldek, if you would please. Actually, there are some aspects I'm trying to reconcile about Maldek and Mars and time frames given in the Ra material with regard to past life regressions I've investigated. There are some inconsistencies relative to life at the end of Mars, but I want to hear your thoughts first.

(07-31-2012, 06:40 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(07-31-2012, 06:21 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Further, Mars could not have stopped its evolution at the precise time Earth started its 3D.

Why not?

I know it sounds a bit improbable. However, perhaps 3rd density life on Earth was hastened along to accommodate the foreseen destruction of the Martian biosphere. We are dealing with forces that utilize time to suit their needs, after all.

(07-31-2012, 08:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(07-31-2012, 06:40 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(07-31-2012, 06:21 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Anagogy, then that would not seem to square with what was said regarding Maldek?

Explain the contradiction with regard to Maldek, if you would please. Actually, there are some aspects I'm trying to reconcile about Maldek and Mars and time frames given in the Ra material with regard to past life regressions I've investigated. There are some inconsistencies relative to life at the end of Mars, but I want to hear your thoughts first.

"....The escalation went to the furthest extent of the technology this social complex had at its disposal in the space/time present of the then time. This time was approximately 705,000 of your years ago....

"Approximately 600,000 of your years ago the then-existing members of the Confederation were able to deploy a social memory complex and untie the knot of fear."

"...the transition to this planet began approximately 500,000 of your years ago and the type of body complex available at that time was used."

So 205,000 years between end of 3D for Maldek and 2D incarnation here.

Quote:21.5 Questioner: That’s what I thought you’d say.

Now we’ll get back to the business at hand— doing the book. I want, as we cover this early part of the 75,000 year cycle, I would like to go back a little bit, quite some distance perhaps, before the 75,000 years occurred, and take one more look at the transfer of entities from Maldek to clear up this point. I’d like to check the time that you gave us, because we had some distortions in numbers back in the early part of this, and I’m afraid this might be distorted. These entities from Maldek were transferred how many years ago?

Ra: I am Ra. The entities of which you speak underwent several transitions, the first occurring 500,000 of your years, approximately, in your past, as you measure time. At this time, the entities were transformed into a knot. This continued for what you would call eons of your time. Those aiding them were repeatedly unable to reach them.

At a period approximately 200,000 years in your past, as you measure time, a Confederation entity was able to begin to relax this knot from which none had escaped during planetary annihilation. These entities then were transformed again into the inner or time/space dimensions and underwent a lengthy process of healing. When this was accomplished, these entities were then able to determine the appropriate movement, shall we say, in order to set up conditions for alleviation of the consequences of their actions. At a time 46,000 of your years in your past, as you measure time, this being approximate, these entities chose incarnation within the planetary sphere.

Quote:21.6 Questioner: I see. Then no incarnation occurred before this master 75,000 year cycle of Maldek entities. Correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct in the sense of incarnation in third-density time/space.

21.7 Questioner: Were there any of these entities then incarnated in second density before the 75,000-year cycle?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. These particular entities were incarnate in time/space third density, that is, the so-called inner planes, undergoing the process of healing and approaching realization of their action.

(07-31-2012, 06:40 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(07-31-2012, 06:21 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Further, Mars could not have stopped its evolution at the precise time Earth started its 3D.

Why not?

I know it sounds a bit improbable. However, perhaps 3rd density life on Earth was hastened along to accommodate the foreseen destruction of the Martian biosphere. We are dealing with forces that utilize time to suit their needs, after all.

(07-31-2012, 08:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote: 3D life had been hastened along due to Maldek incarnations with their 'distilled experience' and the influx of mid 3D+ souls - with their 'distilled experience', and the expanded opportunities provided by the guardian-altered bodies over the native 2D forms. But the beginning of earth's 3D was not (as per your 'clock' quote above).

(07-31-2012, 09:57 PM)anagogy Wrote: First off, you are raising some good points. If I understand you correctly, you are raising the point that their was a gap of time in space/time, despite the Maldek entities being non-physical, which is allegedly a state of being where all times are simultaneous?

(07-31-2012, 09:57 PM)anagogy Wrote:

Quote: At a time 46,000 of your years in your past, as you measure time, this being approximate, these entities chose incarnation within the planetary sphere.

This quote actually seems to contradict the quote you shared that stated that the entities began their transition to our sphere 500,000 years ago. Instead, Ra says 46,000 years ago this time. I find this most curious.

(07-31-2012, 09:57 PM)anagogy Wrote: Then in the next quote:

Quote:21.6 Questioner: I see. Then no incarnation occurred before this master 75,000 year cycle of Maldek entities. Correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct in the sense of incarnation in third-density time/space.

21.7 Questioner: Were there any of these entities then incarnated in second density before the 75,000-year cycle?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. These particular entities were incarnate in time/space third density, that is, the so-called inner planes, undergoing the process of healing and approaching realization of their action.

This part I can't make heads or tells of, as Ra is fairly vague here. But it would appear the earlier transmission was possibly in error.

(07-31-2012, 10:25 PM)zenmaster Wrote: But what does my question of time span have to do with their subjective sense of time passing would be?

(07-31-2012, 10:46 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Regardless of their sense of time while disincarnate, in time/space, time marches on in space/time (i.e. like a clock, 1 revolution of earth around the sun in space/time).

Quote:86.15 Questioner: If it is of any value to know that would you tell me why the dreaming process works like that?

Ra: I am Ra. The portions of the dreaming process which are helpful for polarization and also for the vision of the mystic take place in time/space and, consequently, use the bridge from metaphysical to physical for what seems to be a brief period of your space/time. The time/space equivalent is far greater. The bridge remains, however, and traduces each distortion of mind, body, and spirit as it has received the distortions of energy influxes so that healing may take place. This healing process does not occur with the incidence of rapid eye movement but rather occurs largely in the space/time portion of the mind/body/spirit complex using the bridge to time/space for the process of healing to be enabled.

(08-01-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote:

(07-31-2012, 10:46 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Regardless of their sense of time while disincarnate, in time/space, time marches on in space/time (i.e. like a clock, 1 revolution of earth around the sun in space/time).

I see. This is what I thought you were saying.

I think its possible for time to work that way while discarnate, I'm just saying it doesn't have to.

(08-01-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote: As an aside, some books that I found extremely interesting that actually pertain to this subject matter are the books on out of body experiences written by Robert A. Monroe. In his astral projections, Monroe experienced many interesting excursions of time travel as well as interaction with his future higher self (and past self). The books are very dense with acronyms (the man LOVED acronyms for some reason haha), but if you can get past the somewhat technical writing style, they contain some extremely enlightening subject matter, which, I feel corroborates alot of information in the Ra material.

(08-01-2012, 09:19 AM)zenmaster Wrote: You can't use Monroe's books as corroborating info has he had read the Ra Material...