SO confused - what does 'oneness' really mean???

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Hi Kristy! We get to continue our explorations of what the Law of One material says about creation and evolution. In this story, we're up to the creation of humanity, as what Ra calls 3rd density mind/body/spirit complexes.

I should point out that I don't know of any way the Law of One story conflicts with mainstream science. But I also don't think there's any way to use human science to prove the Law of One material, without the need for faith. According the material, this is by design.

Logos and Sub-Logos: Levels of Logoi (plural of Logos)

So does this mean that our "God" (creator) is actually the sun? Is the sun aware of us and do we pray to that sun...a bit confused here.

This is one of the ways Law of One is very different than mainstream religions. Christian etc. stories of creation tell of God inventing the entire plan of the universe, then instantly creating it. Or they tell of God, a single consciousness in charge of all Creation, instantly creating the universe, then instantly creating the earth, then instantly creating animals, then instantly creating humanity, etc.

In contrast, Ra tells of the original infinity - beyond our understanding - creating the beginnings of the universe. Later, a portion of original infinity, a sub-Creator (which Ra calls a Logos), our galaxy, created a system of stars. Later, a portion of our galaxy, our sun, itself a sub-Creator or sub-Logos within the galaxy, created our solar system and the conditions for life. All this occurred through processes set in motion. And now we are sub-creators who have a great deal of influence on our own life experiences within this solar system.

At each of these stages, God learns and discovers more through the process of the individually conscious portions doing their own creative work - including our living our human lives and typing to each other!

"This Logos" as Designer of the earth and its life forms, in some other posts on this thread, refers to our Sun. But in comparison to the Galaxy, our Sun is a sub-Logos.

This is a little tricky to follow, and confusion between the terms "galaxy" and "solar system" had to be sorted out by Don's questions.

Q: Then I am assuming that this sub-Logos created this planetary system in all of its densities. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sub-Logos of your solar entity differentiated some experiential components within the patterns of intelligent energy set in motion by the Logos which created the basic conditions and vibratory rates consistent throughout your, what you have called, major galaxy.

Q: What I’m saying is that there are roughly 250 billion stars somewhat like ours in this major galaxy. Are they all part of the same sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. They are all part of the same Logos. Your solar system, as you would call it, is a manifestation somewhat and slightly different due to the presence of a sub-Logos.

Let's continue to explore what Ra has to say about creation and evolution. After we go over more of this material, later on your questions about prayer will be easier to answer.

First Density

A friend of mine wondered, when I told him about this, if we have all experienced being ONE mineral or if we experienced being the whole load of minerals.

A physicist or chemist might say that each of our bodies includes atoms that, at one time or another, were likely included in each type of mineral. Not only that, each of us are literally made up of stardust, if you want to go back to the origin of the solar system. But that's a matter of science, not faith.

If you're really curious about how the Periodic Table relates to human body structure, you might like Dr. Revici's concepts about evolution. I don't think these points are specifically discussed by Ra.

I wonder if we experienced being fire "once", or if we were one of many fires.

Interesting question! As I understand this material, the only native consciousness on the earth was, at first, this first density. Each of the elements fully developed its own type of consciousness. Later, these were joined by the consciousness of the plants and animals. Still later, human consciousness developed.

However, I don't see this as meaning that elemental spirits became plant and animal spirits, which later became human spirits. I can't find the quote right now, but my impression is that spirits waited until human-type bodies were available organically, then started incarnating into them.

Also, the material says that many people, especially many alive now, have spirits that previously incarnated in human bodies on other planets in the solar system, or other planets outside the solar system; and some people are incarnating in bodies on Earth for the first time ever, as some of our fellow humans alive today.

So our spirits did not necessarily work their way up through first and second density physical experiences.

Second Density

I remember reading an article or something that told about some scientists putting electrodes on a plant...

That would be an example of second density consciousness: everything with living cells, but not advanced enough to make a moral choice.

Although I still don't know how to deal with wondering how a plant might feel as I chew it to pieces.

As I understand the Law of One, the best attitude for us to have, no matter what we eat, is respect and gratitude for the portion of physical life that ended its separate existence. It is now providing fuel and supplies for us to continue our existence with life and health we can use to share light and love. We did not introduce any pain or ending of life frivolously, but were thoughtful, caring, humane. In this way we continue to honor all things.

I wonder if we were one kind of cell, and did it many times, or if we just tried each kind of cell once.

Again, the process of second density evolution may have occurred without any presence of morality-choosing souls being present. Our bodies and genetic heritage have experienced all these things, our spirits may or may not have experienced them.

Sheeesh, that means that I used to be somebody's salad...and then somebody's #$@!

Not necessarily. Your spirit might have never been incarnate on Earth before at all. And your spirit might never have been inside a second density creature or plant, or first density elemental force, on any planet, ever.

2d responses to human love or lack of love

That is so cooooool! I wonder how they return it. Plants: Perhaps nourishing our bodies or providing beauty? Animals...friends? Protectors?

All of the above. Think of a tree and all the plant and animal life that surrounds it. If they all felt loved by people and wanted to return that love, wouldn't they have lots of ways to do so?

Are the 1st and 2nd density entities aware of 3rd density? Or are they just "there" and don't know we're around...?

Many 2nd density animals are! For example a dog might know that a vet is a person who has healing techniques to help the dog, although the dog can't read the label on the prescriptions! And from the coooool quote, as well as the kind of information you found about leaves, we see that plants can be aware of humans as emotional energy.

Can the first-density elements appreciate us? Well, some people say that human reckless injury of Gaia is a cause of earthquakes, floods, and so on. But I don't remember this idea being discussed in the Law of One.

The material says that 4th density and above can see us, and chooses to be invisible to us, which is why we can't see them. More about that when we move on to what Ra says about the higher densities.

Yakkity yak

I think I ask enough questions on behalf of at least thousands of people.

And I'm verbose enough to make up for a hundred lurkers who don't post, so we're probably even.

Trying to put this whole puzzle together, as much as I can, anyway.

Definitely the motivation behind the Ra contact and behind our follow-up search for what it means!

Third density

(75000 years ago introduction of 3rd density consciousness to opposable-thumb creatures)

Okay, somebody corrected this by saying the Logos did that. But what is the Logos (new to this, sorry). "Love"... but who or what is love? Are you talking about the sun here, because it was stated in this thread that the sun created us.

This will deserve its own response, maybe someone else can fill in that part of the Ra cosmology lessons. Logos is an entity that has the capacity to create or shape the nature of creation. Sub-Logos is a conscious entity that, within a larger Logos, creates or shapes a smaller portion of creation.

Fourth density - getting a bit ahead of ourselves here

So we'll then be able to converse with the plants and animals, etc.? I remember somebody telling me (when I was a child) that on Christmas eve, you could talk to the animals. I was so frustrated after trying to talk to my dog and cat for a long time.

That's a really charming story! I don't recall if Ra discusses whether higher densities can have the kind of conversation you're talking about. The nature of 4th density is a mystery to us but much has been said about it in the material.

Understanding vs. faith

I'm getting the feeling that we will NEVER understand the true creator while here in 3d, and in fact, it will be a long time before we ever do. Yes? So we're being led and taught by a higher consciousness?

I'm getting the feeling that you're picking up on what Ayadew was talking about! Yes, however, the higher density teachers are not the same as the ultimate creator; they are individualized creative portions of that ultimate creator's self-awareness, as are we. More about that when we get to discuss the higher densities.

I think that if I/we would just quit worrying, and just have faith that everything is in divine order, we'd feel and do much better and evolve more quickly.

Yes! Refer to Ayadew's signature line. The heart of love is far more important than intellectual understanding. There's nothing wrong with understanding with our minds, but this is only a tool to help us be better equipped to open our hearts, and to set aside ideas that interfere with our open-hearted response to each moment.

Now I am hearing that God ("oneness") needs us to understand itself.

Yes! That's what the material says.

Preview of coming attractions

So, this is an extra-long post for you. I hope to continue tomorrow, but the next few days will be pretty busy for me and I might need a few days before another major essay. Meanwhile as you see there are plenty of people here happy to share their own perspectives on the material, and correct any mistakes in my interpretations or summaries.

When you're comfortable with this material we'll need to then look at the creation of 3D humanity; The Veil, The Choice and The Harvest; human spirits from outside the Earth; and then on to the higher densities, and the rays.