The proper role of the individual self in relation to the outside world.

[3DMonkey]

This forum was being overrun by that type when I first came here and one of the main reasons that I remained. That way of misinmterpreti8ng this quote is still being perpetrated here and those types would love to have it become the way that it is always interpreted

I completely disagree with you on this Shin'Ar. First of all, I would hope that you post here not with an agenda, but because you honestly are a seeker who wants to share with others on an "STO" path.

Interpretation is for each individual to discern, and there is nothing STS about an individual interpreting a quote based on their own understanding. It's only STS when one tries to convince and force others to interpret it their way.

This kind of accusation that you have sprinkled through your posts here angers me, I just thought I would come out and say how I feel.

What accusation are you referring to Shemaya, What exactly are you accusing me of?

I am making the point, as are Azrael and Spero, that this quote should not be used an excuse to practice STS and that it is certainly not what Ra was saying. I am also making the point that when I first came to this forum this exact topic was being discussed, as it has many times before, and that many do try to use this quote to suggest that practicing STS is a good way to learn about their true self. I am pointing out the danger to this sort of misinterpretation.

Now what exactly do you have a problem with?

Nowhere have I suggested that a person cannot discern for themselves, rather I emphasize the need for s person to do exactly that.

Now if you are trying to suggest that because some people may incorrectly interpret this quote, or that others may deliberately misinterpret this quote, that it is okay, and should not be debated because they have the free will to be incorrect, than I have a problem with your thinking and disagree completely with you. I think it is for the love of light and humanity to help others to understand these things in their true content. Others will come to learn at their own degree of understanding and intelligence, but those who have higher understanding are not wrong in offering their assistance. And thank the stars for that. Where would mankind be if the Ancients and those who have gone on before us had not bothered to offer us their knowledge and teaching?

There are many who feel it an imposition on free will to try to teach others what is right and wrong, and if that is true than you are now imposing on mine by telling me what you think.

However I do not believe that to be true, and appreciate your input, even though I disagree with your accusation.

I think you are saying that "interpreting the quote to mean what I want it to mean denies the "true" meaning and is a practice of purely serving my self". Is this correct?

If so, I agree with you.

There is a wonderful statement in the material that I will now quote, and that I will now interpret it to mean what I want it to mean as you will do the same.

. To serve the self is to serve all. The service of the self, when seen in this perspective, requires an ever-expanding use of the energies of others for manipulation to the benefit of the self with distortion towards power.

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Well this is what I'm trying to express, is that there is a correlation between the way a person thinks and their actions in the world. Also, in that regard what about people who find that fantasizing about something increases their desire for it?

It says no desires should be overcome, but if the imagination stokes the fire of that desire it seems to me this could become a bit of a circle.

As Valtor said, the thoughts are not "beings". Although, the thoughts ARE entities.

What is being lost here, IMO, is what the purpose of the thoughts are. All desires should and can be explored in the mind. It is what the conclusions, or the work, that is drawn from them that is important.

To kill a perceived enemy in the mind is a valid method for overcoming the internal representation that causes the perception to begin with. If done with intensity, concentration, and with a goal, the initial desires transform into something new. If the goal is to serve an other and the self's current configuration is "blocked" by negative thoughts, a full exploration of the blockage will help the Self in such a way as to achieve the Self's goal- being to serve the Other in love.

So, thinking bad thoughts in order to transform them into good intentions is very practical. It is short sighted to say thinking bad thoughts leads to bad actions. The choice is in the Mind, and so polarity is for each thought.