03-09-2012, 11:47 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-09-2012, 11:56 PM by Steppingfeet.)
(03-09-2012, 11:00 PM)ShinAr Wrote: You and I may be One in the vast scheme of things as the All Gary. But our choices are ours alone. My choices are not yours.
Shin'Ar, the "vast scheme of things" you mention above is what the spiritual seeker is seeking to gain, or remember, or become.
If we're meeting on ground where we can each acknowledge the unity of all things, then I can respond asking: why disregard the highest vision one knows? Why say, "Yeah, all is one, that is nice, but the situation is different on the ground."? Why not seek to incorporate that highest vision into each moment and each circumstance and each choice?
(03-09-2012, 11:00 PM)ShinAr Wrote: I am sorry friends, I do not understand your thinking. It does not meet with my understanding of atrocity agasint humanity. I cannot say that I see beaulty in the torture of another. I cannot say that I love one who is murdering a fellow human being. I cannot say that I can see myself doing the same because we are all One. I really have no idea why a person would think the way that you do.
Personally I think those acts you identify are ugly, and cause me to recoil emotionally, and cause me pain.
Were I the recipient of any similar act of violence, or deliberate STS-attempt to manipulate or control, my initial impulse wouldn't be to welcome the individual over for tea'n'crumpets. Being unenlightened, I would have any number of less-than-loving responses.
But per the ideals of my spiritual path, I would work on forgiveness for the other and compassion, for similar reasons to those you state in the quote below. Your reasons actually are quite congruent with that which Jesus is reported to have said on the cross. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."
The world is replete with stories of people doing the impossible, that is, of people forgiving/loving those that have committed some grievous crime. I read a story recently about a father who forgave, and became a mentor to, an individual who killed his son in cold blood. The father, as with all people like him, basically saw the Creator in the one playing the role of "criminal".
Here is a thought for consideration. What if instead of loving the heinous act, you instead loved the Creator within the other?
Ra's basic definition of "love":
87.21 Ra: I am Ra. The root cause of blockage is the lack of the ability to see the other-self as the Creator, or to phrase this differently, the lack of love.
(03-09-2012, 11:00 PM)ShinAr Wrote: What I can say is that because of my love for humanity I can love them knowing that they are at the mercy of human nature and their horrible choices. I can feel sorry for them and their lifestyle. I can want better things for them out of love. But I cannot say that I love them for what they do. I cannot condone inhumane acts and justify them by considering that I am free to do the same.
I don't think that loving an other, and seeing the Creator in them, is incompatible with justice, and a system of justice.
Personally I am quite confused regarding the appropriateness of the planet's various systems of justice. But in principle I think some system of justice, consequence, and holding others responsible for their actions is a third-density necessity in a world of mixed, and mostly unpolarized, orientation.
And the reason to love/accept the other isn't precisely because, as you said in your final sentence, you are "free to do the same", though that can certainly factor in. It is because they are the Creator. It is because you are irreducibly one with them. It is because, ultimately, there is no "you" and "them".
I think it would be helpful to begin and end with that fact:
The other is the Creator.
Try that out next time. Look at the faces of the negative elite that occupy so many positions of power in this world and, from my standpoint, F things up here; look at the face of the murderer who killed an innocent person; look at the face of the swindler who cheated an elderly couple of their life savings; look at the face of the promulgator of negative philosophy that leads people astray: See the Creator.
If oneness is your highest vision, then what harm could come from contemplating your oneness with those whose acts you disapprove?
It doesn't mean that such a person should not be brought to justice, or that the positive entity should purchase balloons for the murderer and throw them a party, or that the positive entity should contribute money and support the negatively oriented politician.
It means, among other things, that you've lifted your vision from the miasma of illusion. You see through the outer costumes of polarity -- of polarized entities and polarized acts. You see the other for what they really are: the Creator.
And in that seeing is unconditional love.
And in that seeing is light.
And in that seeing is unity.
And in that seeing is joy.
Not the joy of, "That small country's economy you just ruined was awesome! High five dark-lord-face!"
It is the joy of knowing that even in the face of malice, torture, brutality, ignorance, domination, destruction, subjugation, enslavement, and control - nothing real can be threatened.
It is the joy of knowing that the play you see is one of shifting, illusory, finite forms that have only temporary existence and derive from the formless.
It is the joy of freedom, of waking from the dream of separation and knowing that, regardless of all outer appearance, all is well and will forever be well.
It is the joy of having a consciousness of peace which cannot be broken by any event within the world, that peace which, as if often quoted, "passeth all understanding".
It is the joy of being alive, of being at one with the Creator, of being free to serve and to offer all of yourself without fear and without condemning others.
Jesus (as with other teachers) had this joy and this freedom. He, like others, lived in a brutal world of stupid acts committed by stupid people, and negative acts committed by consciously negative people, and his response was not, "Get off my planet sinners", but rather, "Love the sinner".
Love redeems.
(03-09-2012, 11:00 PM)ShinAr Wrote: I guess we will just have to agree to disagree because if I ever met you in a dark alley while you were in the midst of causing such harm to another, you would very suddenly realize the very real difference between the One and individual choice. You would not find reaction based upon the fact that I did not love you, but based upon the fact that I love the one that you are choosing to kill. Choices have consequences.
Shin'Ar, where did I or anyone else imply that to love another means to not take action in the face of injustice? Or to not do ones best to help another?
And if I personally was ever in the middle of hurting another in the manner to which you allude in the above paragraph, I hope someone would stop me and promptly dispense with a thorough ass-beating. : )
With love, GLB
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi