(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I can't say my opinion on the first question is very eloquent or intricate. I trend greatly towards Octavia's eloquently expressed opinion, in that it might be ultimately true that we are the Creator, that which creates all things, and some level of our being creates the situation we experience. However, we simply cannot understand the dynamics of how this really happens. I simply do not find the concepts discussed in which a person "attracts" these things to themselves to be useful unless that attraction can, in some way, be distinguished and recognized (which it cannot). We add in the fact that we exist in a reality with billions of other individuals "attracting" things and we get a very vast and impenetrable system of intermingling "attractions." The majesty of such interconnected metaphysical dynamics does inspire awe, but I really can't believe it is as simple as has been spelled out anywhere in this thread.
I think things can have be made seem simple but it surely is not simple. Try to picture yourself as an infinite being, this does not only mean you had a near-past before your current lifetime which defines many aspect of your current life, but also that you never were not and came from infinitely far to get here and now. This is where creating your reality comes from, it's that it started long before you were born and your life is already a continuation of something you are blind to and this I believe was a point that was made important in this thread.
A lot of the things I said come from the fact that I believe belittling others is disrespecting where they are at as themselves and is disrespecting their free will to be where they are at. I made a strong point of this in other threads, like vegan threads that discussed the trauma given upon the animal kingdom. All I can say, is that it all ends in thankfulness for every single aspect of it all. To make someone a victim is extremely simple, to try to perceive the greater complexity and infinite beauty in where they are and where it leads them at is much more complex.
(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: (It may be useful to point out that Ra talked about random events and catalyst – perhaps only seemingly random, but random enough for Ra to call them such. Meaning that for all intents and purposes we could possible experience something both random and traumatic.)
I don't see how that matters so much. I don't think anyone made it as that people get what they deserve or anything of the sort, I don't think there is a single thing in existence that deserve to be hurt (especially considering that there is but the Creator to be hurt and hurt itself) but instead that what we are holds an infinite desire to know what it means to be hurt. None would be within conditions where they can be hurt without it being a portion of their free will, our worlds meet because we desire to see the truthful mirror of what we are together, you are entangled with every single being in existence and anyone that hurts another willingly simply transfers a portion of it's own sorrow. The entire unwellness of this world is a microcosm of the abyss of sorrow contained within higher dimensional beings, which they express unto this world as part of their own healing.
(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: When the perception of this complex dynamic of "attraction" is so muddled, I think it does a disservice to those who experience traumatic or hurtful things at the hands of others to pop up and remind them "Hey, you created this!"
(There are some rare situations where such a statement will help the person shed the identity of victim and find the ultimate power to overcome their trauma, but this is quite exceptional.)
It's already been said that the way we are talking is specific to this forum, and I also said the way I am talking is specific to the person I am talking to. I wouldn't attempt to teach this to anyone who does not already contain this truth.
(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Getting to the second question, to tell a victim not to dwell upon their incident also completely ignores the mysterious and impactful nature of trauma (both personal and cultural). It's impossible to "just not dwell on it" when there are constant reminders, whether from your outer environment or inner environment, of the things which continues to affect you. This could be true of a victim of rape or also on a broader sense of those who fight against things like racism. To place responsibility of a trauma on a person because they are "dwelling on it" hurts far more than it helps. And the unfortunate thing is that this so often (though not in every case) comes from the type of person who will consistently dismiss the aggressor and focus only on the victim.
The thing is that the shortest path to healing is to not work the trauma through words and thoughts, but to silence the mind and balance the energies directly. Often wanderers do not even work they own energy, they allowed themselves to be imprinted by the energies of others because of being better at handling them and must learn again how to most efficiently deal with these kind of energies.
Working with words and thoughts does work also, but could never be as efficient as just balancing a simple feeling of unwellness toward a feeling of well being. Each time it is done, something has been transmuted.
(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: This mentality, however, similar to that of informing a victim of their hand in their experience, often ignores the aggressor. Yes, perhaps approaching social justice issues with a certain tone causes people to recoil and be closed off to your ideas, but those people who recoil are driving the separation just as much (if not more) than those attempting to bring attention to a social issue. The burden, in my mind, is on the socially privileged to be more accommodating and patient.
Like I said in this thread, to me an aggressor is further down the path of being hurt than a victim, so I don't think aggressors have been ignored and quite the opposite. Take any victim you are compassionate for, hurt it past it's tolerance point until it starts hurting others and suddenly no one shows compassion anymore.
Don't take my reply as that I did not appreciate your post, because I did.