(09-23-2016, 09:27 PM)sjel Wrote: I have been thinking about this constantly the past two months, viewing my environment as a pure reflection of my self. I am creating the reality I live in. So what about things like rape? How is the rape victim creating that reality. Or fighting parents. What does one do to love the conflict.

Quote:Ra: The shortening of the life span is a distortion of the Law of One which suggests that an entity not receive more experience in more intensity than it may bear. This is only in effect upon an individual level and does not hold sway over planetary or social complexes.

Thus the shortened life span is due to the necessity for removing an entity from the intensity of experience which ensues when wisdom and love are, having been rejected, reflected back into the consciousness of the Creator without being accepted as part of the self, this then causing the entity to have the need for healing and for much evaluation of the incarnation. 

(09-24-2016, 12:36 AM)anagogy Wrote: You could have 99 things going wrong in your life, and 1 thing going right, but if you could keep more of your attention on "what is going right", it would slowly, but surely, pull the other 99 things into the "whats going right" camp.

(09-24-2016, 12:36 AM)anagogy Wrote: This is also part of why we have shortened life spans, because as much progress as humanity has made, we are still too negative to be allowed the intensity of manifestations that results from hundreds of years of this vibrational snowballing effect.

(09-24-2016, 12:36 AM)anagogy Wrote: If one gets really out of alignment, the higher self basically hits the reset button to save you from the nightmare of coming fully into alignment with the opposite of well being (which would eventually happen once enough strength of negative momentum had coalesced).

(09-24-2016, 01:07 AM)sjel Wrote: that is a terrifying concept. and also exciting, haha, my first reaction was "holy s***, what if that rule weren't in place, what's the WORST it could possibly get?" *in a sense of morbid curiosity* ...which of course one of the reasons terrible events happen - the ALL is curious about them. Think of how incredible it is to experience a LIFETIME OF TORTUROUS SUFFERING, only to die and laugh deep tears of how terrible it all was but loving it nonetheless.

(09-24-2016, 01:07 AM)sjel Wrote:

(09-24-2016, 12:36 AM)anagogy Wrote: If one gets really out of alignment, the higher self basically hits the reset button to save you from the nightmare of coming fully into alignment with the opposite of well being (which would eventually happen once enough strength of negative momentum had coalesced).

what is this, death? and what would the entity have to do to reach the point of needing a reset button? is that like how Ra said Hitler "went insane"? Or how Aleister Crowley also sort of went insane?

(09-24-2016, 12:36 AM)anagogy Wrote: In otherwords, while our consciousness *does* generate our reality, we do not, at the 3rd density level of existence, have complete and total conscious control over our consciousness, so naturally, our desires do not perfectly unfold in our experience.

(09-24-2016, 01:28 AM)sjel Wrote: okay, so I've thought this before, that there's no way we're completely controlling our reality, because so much unexpected stuff happenes. but in the seth material, seth/jane said unequivocally, "YOU CREATE YOUR REALITY." is that statement extending the definition of self down deeper than the average 3D entity might?

Also you said "conscious control." So maybe that's what the effort toward expanding one's conscious awareness is? becoming increasingly aware of what is being generated from your own vibrational distortion. Maybe we DO have complete conscious control over our reality, but it's just that our perception of how much reality our consciousness encompasses is so limited - we think we only control a little section over here, but really our conscious mind extends far beyond that.

(09-25-2016, 12:07 AM)Night Owl Wrote: This is a subject I am constantly thinking about this year and one that I find particularly interesting. What's really hard for me is to constantly realise that when I want something, I want this one particular thing. That means every other things manifest as distractions or distortions from the wanted to the unwanted and therefore there are infinite more things that I do not want and since the balance between wanted/unwanted is greatly going toward the not wanted my mind is spending much more time balancing the not wanted into acceptance and love and trying not to think about what is undesirable.

In the end it's all time lost not focusing on the what is wanted because I'm surrounded by the not wanted and that creates so much resistance it's somewhat depressing at times. Sometimes I feel just cornered and imprisoned by the amount of unwanted surrounding me. I don't know how much time it takes to shift things back but I cannot move forward without constantly dealing with all the resistance the unwanted distorts into my focus. A really complicated thing to master as simple as it seems to simply focus on the positive. But I do think I'm getting more and more able to not manifest negative by not focusing on trying not to make it happen(hope that's not confusing). The opposite is so much harder though. The key is probably patience and setting and remembering positive intentions all the time. Balancing also helps. Eventually your vibration will match.

(09-24-2016, 12:36 AM)anagogy Wrote: ...Similarly, a rape victim does not deliberately attract rape, rather, they simply, for whatever reason, get out of alignment with who they really are.

...The more you know what you want, the more you know what you don't want. I bring that up in regards to your question about "victims" because when you get REALLY out of alignment with what is wanted, you get REALLY into alignment with what is NOT wanted. See how that works? So, things like rape (and other horrible shadow things) are the unpleasant negative bounty one reaps of consistently not following their bliss.

(09-25-2016, 01:06 AM)octavia Wrote: This stuck out to me. I would like to strongly & honestly disagree with what is being expressed here. Unfortunately after multiple tries, I have been unable to properly articulate that disagreement in a way that is valuable and contributes to the discussion. However, this topic is meaningful to me. Can someone help me here?

(09-25-2016, 01:06 AM)octavia Wrote:

(09-24-2016, 12:36 AM)anagogy Wrote: ...Similarly, a rape victim does not deliberately attract rape, rather, they simply, for whatever reason, get out of alignment with who they really are.

...The more you know what you want, the more you know what you don't want. I bring that up in regards to your question about "victims" because when you get REALLY out of alignment with what is wanted, you get REALLY into alignment with what is NOT wanted. See how that works? So, things like rape (and other horrible shadow things) are the unpleasant negative bounty one reaps of consistently not following their bliss.

This stuck out to me. I would like to strongly & honestly disagree with what is being expressed here. Unfortunately after multiple tries, I have been unable to properly articulate that disagreement in a way that is valuable and contributes to the discussion. However, this topic is meaningful to me. Can someone help me here?

(10-13-2016, 07:33 PM)Nicholas Wrote:

(09-25-2016, 01:06 AM)octavia Wrote:
This stuck out to me. I would like to strongly & honestly disagree with what is being expressed here. Unfortunately after multiple tries, I have been unable to properly articulate that disagreement in a way that is valuable and contributes to the discussion. However, this topic is meaningful to me. Can someone help me here?

I suspect the problem lies with within our own subjective interpretation. It sounds dogmatic on one level, and yet somewhat accurate on another. The accuracy I perceive is that if we consistently choose a fear based option during our lifetimes, we will engage with unsavoury experiences as a result. If we chose a more courageous choice, now and then at least, we will experience something more profound than we had ever experienced before.

The dogma I perceive is that this "you create your reality" stuff is being expressed in a matter of fact context. This is a subtle yellow/blue ray imbalance imo. It may in fact be true, but we are are stepping ever so slightly on the toes of others that may vehemently disagree with such a statement. Truth is a subjective affair, therefore a most delicate one!

(09-24-2016, 12:36 AM)anagogy Wrote: ...Similarly, a rape victim does not deliberately attract rape, rather, they simply, for whatever reason, get out of alignment with who they really are.

So, things like rape (and other horrible shadow things) are the unpleasant negative bounty one reaps of consistently not following their bliss.

(09-25-2016, 02:59 AM)anagogy Wrote: The more specifically you identify wanted, the more specifically you are simultaneously defining unwanted. I'm not talking about the conscious mind when I say that, this is almost entirely an unconscious clarification.

(10-13-2016, 08:43 PM)octavia Wrote: Here I would like to be frank. From our own 3rd density viewpoint, a viewpoint so influenced by the veil, it seems quite impossible for us, without help from higher teachers, to determine whether an instance of sexual harassment was pre-incarnatively planned, or whether there are other forces at play. In this very specific sense then, these statements do not strike me as true.

(10-13-2016, 08:43 PM)octavia Wrote: To elaborate upon this idea of the unconscious mind, I would also say that in my opinion, to attempt to look at the external phenomena surrounding certain individuals and then to categorically imagine what is happening in their own unconscious mind is much like coming across a sleeping stranger, to imagine what dream they might be having, and then to attempt to analyze that dream.

(10-13-2016, 08:43 PM)octavia Wrote: In exploring the concept of the individual who manifests their own reality, I think it is important to balance these principles with the physical world that we are presented with. For example, to my knowledge, in the United States of America, women are at a far greater risk of sexual harassment than men. Furthermore, I believe it is a safe statement to say that this is a result of how women are disrespected in various ways in our society, to the extent that they are placed at risk. However, let us suppose for a moment instead that the skewing of these statistics is simply the expression of the fact that women are at, greater risk of, shall we say, getting out of alignment with who they really are. This application however, would not strike me as coherent, as seemingly places the cart before the horse.

(10-13-2016, 08:43 PM)octavia Wrote: Let us now consider other examples that do not relate to the perhaps emotionally charged example of sexual harassment. For example, late into the Ra Contact, Don, Carla, and Jim started to experience negative psychic greetings from a 5th density negative entity. I do not believe that this was because any member of the Ra contact got "out out of touch with who they are", but rather that it was a natural consequence of the, shall we say, brilliance of their seeking, which attracted the negative entity, who, through its own free will, had a desire to manipulate and control this seeking. In this specific sense then, the concept of one who "gets out of alignment with who he really is", is inapplicable. In fact, were Don, Carla, and Jim not in such an alignment, I doubt the Ra contact would have occurred in the first place

Quote:16.56 Questioner: And then if, say, an entity daydreams strongly about battling, let us say, another entity, would this occur?

Ra: I am Ra. In this case the entity’s fantasy concerns the self and other-self; this binds the thought-form to the possibility/probability complex connected with the self which is the creator of this thought-form. This then would increase the possibility/probability of bringing this into third-density occurrence.

16.57 Questioner: Does the Orion group use this principle to create conditions brought about to suit their purpose?

Ra: I am Ra. We will answer more specifically than the question. The Orion group uses daydreams of hostile or other negative vibratory natures to feed back or strengthen these thought-forms.

(10-13-2016, 08:43 PM)octavia Wrote: However, it other contexts it may be far more coherently applied. For example, to my understanding, the basic mechanics of a negative psychic greeting involves the attempted exaggeration of already present minor distortions in the body/mind/spirit complex such that they become major distortions, there being many examples of this phenomenon throughout the Ra contact. Here, I believe the previously offered concept of "one who gets out of alignment" is much more applicable. But it must be understood in the context of the entire event, otherwise I believe it loses all coherence.

So my basic perspective that I would like to offer is this: in certain contexts it seems as though this mechanism described may be quite coherent. However, in examples where knowledge from beyond the veil would be required, or otherwise involves our material reality in a confused way, it becomes just the opposite, and I believe that sexual harassment is of a high order among these examples.

(10-13-2016, 09:29 PM)anagogy Wrote: I think you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying. Everybody experiences things they don't like. Women, men, every race, and every demographic. Everybody gets out of alignment at times, without exception. Its natural, and human. And when that happens, the opposite of what you desire happens. And the converse is true when you are in alignment. So for many people sexual harassment is that manifestation, for others, its people bullying them, and for others, its mental illness, and others it could be people cutting them off in traffic. And the intensity of the negative manifestation is directly proportionate to the intensity of the misalignment. But always keep in the mind, you can't objectively appraise the "negativity" of the manifestation. Somebody might cut me off in traffic and I don't think twice about it, another person it might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. It's all relative, and personally unique.

Quote:The time, then, is short for those incarnate upon your planet to polarize in a fashion sufficient for the graduation. Therefore, there are many more, shall we say, training aids available for the acceleration of this process, the time being short. Diseases are one such method of focusing the attention upon a symbol of a generally shared difficulty. [1985.10.20]

(09-25-2016, 02:59 AM)anagogy Wrote: All experiential manifestations are just symbols.

(10-13-2016, 09:29 PM)anagogy Wrote: And the intensity of the negative manifestation is directly proportionate to the intensity of the misalignment.

Quote:[17.17] Questioner: Can you tell me what the Orion group did in order to try to cause his downfall?
Ra: I am Ra. We may describe in general what occurred. The technique was that of building upon other negatively oriented information. This information had been given by the one whom your peoples called “Yahweh.” This information involved many strictures upon behavior and promised power of the third-density, service-to-self nature. These two types of distortions were impressed upon those already oriented to think these thought-forms.

This eventually led to many challenges of the entity known as Jesus. It eventually led to one, sound vibration complex “Judas,” as you call this entity, who believed that it was doing the appropriate thing in bringing about or forcing upon the one you call Jesus the necessity for bringing in the third-density planetary power distortion of third-density rule over others.

This entity, Judas, felt that, if pushed into a corner, the entity you call Jesus would then be able to see the wisdom of using the power of intelligent infinity in order to rule others. The one you call Judas was mistaken in this estimation of the reaction of the entity, Jesus, whose teach/learning was not oriented towards this distortion. This resulted in the destruction of the bodily complex of the one known as Jesus to you.

(10-13-2016, 11:20 PM)octavia Wrote: Hi Anagogy,

I believe an area of my difficulty in understanding this idea is that, as I have said, I am not totally clear on what is meant by alignment/unalignment & following/not following one's bliss, as these are not conceptual terms I am familiar with nor terms that have I seen used in this context before.

To move closer toward the idea I desire to communicate, I will design a thought experiment. Let us suppose that an individual passes through the gateway of death via illness. Let us explore why this has occurred in the most abstract sense, without any contextual information, not even the nature of the illness itself. Has this individual's life ended because they were, as it is said, out of alignment? Or has this individual pre-incarnatively planned to end their exploration in this body at a certain age, the disease then, assisting in the fulfillment of this plan? Without more information, no appraisal can be made as such. For this reason, we may see the great difficulty in attempting to appraise the causes of all catalyst exclusively within the scope of an alignment/un-alignment model. This is especially true in the case of the catalyst known as sexual assault, for it is a catalyst that also requires an entity to act in a way that is not in accordance with the Law of One. The reason why we have chosen to refrain from offering any context is because we are attempting to convey the difficulties in the categorical appraisal of the causes of catalyst. Thus concludes the thought experiment.

There are many mechanisms of learning and of service which bring about catalyst. One example we can give is the case study of AIDS as offered to us by Latwii. Latwii explains the concept of AIDS then, in the context of polarity and learning, not necessarily invoking the concept of the individual who is out of alignment. We bring this up not to dismiss the concept of alignment/unalignment but rather to attempt to display the great variety of mechanisms that bring about catalyst.

(10-13-2016, 11:20 PM)octavia Wrote: Here we will consider another example, as the story of Jesus Christ's life may be helpful here, although it is not a life we can claim to be terribly familiar with.

Quote:17.17 Questioner: Can you tell me what the Orion group did in order to try to cause his downfall?
Ra: I am Ra. We may describe in general what occurred. The technique was that of building upon other negatively oriented information. This information had been given by the one whom your peoples called “Yahweh.” This information involved many strictures upon behavior and promised power of the third-density, service-to-self nature. These two types of distortions were impressed upon those already oriented to think these thought-forms.

This eventually led to many challenges of the entity known as Jesus. It eventually led to one, sound vibration complex “Judas,” as you call this entity, who believed that it was doing the appropriate thing in bringing about or forcing upon the one you call Jesus the necessity for bringing in the third-density planetary power distortion of third-density rule over others.

This entity, Judas, felt that, if pushed into a corner, the entity you call Jesus would then be able to see the wisdom of using the power of intelligent infinity in order to rule others. The one you call Judas was mistaken in this estimation of the reaction of the entity, Jesus, whose teach/learning was not oriented towards this distortion. This resulted in the destruction of the bodily complex of the one known as Jesus to you.

In other words, Jesus, being placed between "a rock and a hard place," refrained from indulging in negative polarity, and passed through the gateway of death on the cross. Thus when we look at the context of his choice, there would be no reason to characterize his suffering as unalignment in the slightest. On the contrary, the nature of his suffering could be characterized as a testament to the purity and fidelity of his intent to serve. The idea we wish to convey is the vast diversity of the causes, functions, and even service of catalyst that lies beyond the scope of alignment/unalignment.

(10-13-2016, 11:20 PM)octavia Wrote: P.S. By the way, I like your new avatar.

(10-14-2016, 12:19 AM)anagogy Wrote: From my perspective, the fact that he was even drawn into a circumstance where his disciple Judas would betray him was indicative of the fact that there was some degree of resistance present within him (which is perfectly human and normal -- I can't stress enough that 3rd density incarnates are practically asleep consciousness wise -- wanderer or not). I say this based on my understanding that were he in perfect alignment, the intelligent infinity within him would have prevented being sucked into any circumstance that would result in harm to him. The energy that creates worlds, and is connected to everything, would have been guiding and inspiring his every spontaneous and creative impulse. Of course, there is also the possibility that he didn't have a preference for what happened (I'm slightly less inclined to believe this but it must be acknowledged as a possibility).

Quote:[17.19] Questioner: How did Jesus learn this during his incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age. Unfortunately, this entity first discovered his ability to penetrate intelligent infinity by becoming the distortion you call “angry” at a playmate. This entity was touched by the entity known as Jesus to you and was fatally wounded.

Thus the one known as Jesus became aware that there dwelt in him a terrible potential. This entity determined to discover how to use this energy for the good, not for the negative. This entity was extremely positively polarized and remembered more than most Wanderers do.

[17.20] Questioner: How did this aggressive action against a playmate affect Jesus in his spiritual growth? Where did he go after his physical death?

Ra: I am Ra. The entity you call Jesus was galvanized by this experience and began a lifetime of seeking and searching. This entity studied first day and night in its own religious constructs which you call Judaism and was learned enough to be a rabbi, as you call the teach/learners of this particular rhythm or distortion of understanding, at a very young age.

At the age of approximately thirteen and one-half of your years, this entity left the dwelling place of its earthly family, as you would call it, and walked into many other places seeking further information. This went on sporadically until the entity was approximately twenty-five, at which time it returned to its family dwelling, and learned and practiced the art of its earthly father.

When the entity had become able to integrate or synthesize all experiences, the entity began to speak to other-selves and teach/learn what it had felt during the preceding years to be of an worthwhile nature. The entity was absolved karmically of the destruction of an other-self when it was in its last portion of lifetime and spoke upon what you would call a cross saying, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.

(10-14-2016, 12:19 AM)anagogy Wrote: The problem is there is literally no example that could be brought up that can prove it one way or the other because you can never TRULY know the contents of anothers' mind. Thus, any example you bring up I can always just recourse to that fact, so it ultimately becomes pointless to find exceptions to the rule. It will never prove it one way or the other.

We can really only know our own minds, and I can only say that I have seen my consciousness reflect itself into my experience. So at some point, you can only look within yourself to know whether this is true or not. I certainly don't blame anyone for not thinking its true. I didn't for a very long time.

(10-14-2016, 02:05 AM)octavia Wrote: This does raise a very interesting philosophical question. That question is "Would a theoretical perfectly balanced entity not experience tremendous suffering when grievously harmed by other-selves, or would they rather experience the tremendous suffering in a perfectly balanced way?" On the one hand, what you say of the individual who is in contact with intelligent infinity does strike me as true. On the other hand, to my understanding, there is inevitably a death to be had, whether it be after 70 years or 900 years, or even 90,000 years in 4th density, where physical pain is felt far more lightly as "weariness."

(10-14-2016, 02:05 AM)octavia Wrote: Ra's information makes me wonder: Had Jesus not gone up on the cross, would he perhaps not had that, shall we say, opportunity for forgiveness that he so did? Unfortunately I of course lack the awareness of the 7th density expression of Jeus's higher self that offers "the total data of all possible choices and all possible tracks at all decision points that have been registered along the way" [Q'uo: 1990.07.01] such that I cannot say for certain if Jesus could have chosen some 3rd path that resulted neither in the loss of his positive service nor the destruction of his physical vehicle. Thus it would surely be presumptuous of me to say that Jesus must have gone on the cross in order for him to fulfill his calling that he so heard which inspired him to wander to this planetary sphere. Therefore, all I can do is praise him for the fidelity and purity of his love & desire to serve.

(10-14-2016, 02:05 AM)octavia Wrote: I suppose my personal difficulty is that I have a hard time then categorically applying that model to other-selves, however. I will use small scale examples to keep the mood lighthearted. For example, let us say that another entity simply did not have enough time to complete their metaphysics homework despite the fact that they were enthusiastic about the material offered. Before class, I talk with this entity and they mention that surely they must have desired this outcome in some sense. In that context, this is satisfactory to me. In my future conversations with that person, I would then likely bring up this concept again if I thought it could be useful to them. However, although I am acutely aware of the relation between this concept and material phenomena, it is also not my desire to make a, shall we say, categorical appraisal of all who have not completed their metaphysics homework. Of course, I am also aware of the cognitive dissonance that may be perceived in this lack of a desire for such an appraisal.