(10-23-2016, 10:37 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Are you intentionally gaslighting? Or am I being trolled?
Neither, you are just seeing my words through the lens of your belief system and seeing what you believe to be contradictions when, in reality, there are none.
Those things Minyatur mentioned are surface illusions of our identity, (parts of us that will be discarded at death, just like any material possessions we've accumulated) we are spiritual beings having a temporary physical experience, and if you focus and identify with those temporal characteristics to the extent of seeing more differences than similarities between others, then guess what? You get racism, sexism, bigotry and all that other negative stuff. And it doesn't matter if you are doing it for "good reasons" or to fight what you perceive to be the evil injustices of the world. The effect is the same. The focus on differences to the exclusion of similarities and commonalities simply makes the differences more and more active players in your experience which leads to the aforementioned examples of separation. It just activates and exacerbates the vibration of separation and disharmony.
I'm definitely not saying that people cannot explore those aspects of their being, but in my opinion they should be regarded with the same attachment that we have towards a temporary garment of clothing. But of course, we're human, and no one is going to be perfect.
(10-23-2016, 10:37 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: It seems here you are being intentionally dismissive. Q'uo makes an extremely good point that intentions are everything. Yet you say the road to hell is paved with good intentions? I mean, you could say "good intentions gone awry" but that's for each to decide, their purity within. This is why I'm a big fan of studying the transformation of the mind, since it's the root of the basis of our polarity and purity of intentions. All done in love is never wrong. If you're trying to "teach someone a lesson", well, my guess is that intention is often misguided at best. That even might be where the "SJW movement" goes awry.
I also feel it's probably important to point out that just because it's a colloquialism doesn't make it true!! For what it's worth, my husband always interpreted that colloquialism to mean that it's difficult to do good, not that doing good brings you to a bad place.
You seem to have ignored the part where I said:
(10-22-2016, 12:51 PM)anagogy Wrote: And by the way, I wasn't stating it as some kind of absolute rule, just as a fitting adage to the context of the discussion. Truly, if an intention were "pure" and non-contradicted, and sustained, attention would naturally gravitate to the correct vibrational focus for accomplishing the intent. However, many people start off with good intentions which then devolve to something that is, shall we say, "less pure".
(10-23-2016, 10:37 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Your interpretation is, again, making the victims into aggressors. Saying that those who are trying to do good, out of pain, are causing more pain because of their lack of purity, is exactly that. It's expected that those who aren't consciously aware of the transformation will wobble as Ra says. So yes, purity is extremely difficult but I definitely advocate a purity to courting the maiden as you are aware. In my experience, this hasn't "led me to hell".
All I can tell you is that I don't see victims as aggressors -- it's a flat out misinterpretation of what I'm saying. It's more like: I'm walking along a path and find someone who has been attacked by a wild animal, the wound is bleeding and they are picking at the wound, causing it to bleed more profusely, and I say, "If I were you I would stop picking at the wound, you are making it far worse." And they say, "I'm trying to find the source of the pain. I have to keep picking at it till I find the source and then I can make it stop." And I say, "It actually doesn't work that way. What you are doing only leads to endless pain. Leave it alone, stop picking at it, and it will heal. You are preventing your wound from healing."
And people just keep picking at the wounds, because they can't understand that their actions are preventing the very thing they are desiring.
(10-23-2016, 10:37 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I would argue that love - the fluffy, green ray kind, is ALL that is needed to heal 3rd density into fourth. Wisdom doesn't begin to factor in as necessary for sequential progression until the next density. So why are you scoffing at fluffy love?
What makes you think I'm scoffing at it? It's fine for people who need or want it. But some people seek more encompassing (higher density) wisdoms.