(10-14-2016, 02:30 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Quote
I think that is a very extravagant way to justify suffering and I have no need for such mental gymnastics because I can simply accept that suffering is suffering. I have no need to turn things in to that which that are not, nor to abstract them to the point of dissolution. I see the Void behind all things, I do not need to break them to do so.
You can distort things as much as you wish, but abuse is abuse and no amount of forgiveness or philosophy takes away the pain of trauma when it is being experienced. Remember healing is an exercise to achieve wholeness and wholeness broken means many parts and many sides. Perhaps you have achieved some transcendent state of unity or something and you are now whole and One.
To me it more looks like you are uncomfortable with the existence of the other self and need to reduce everything to yourself to be able to digest that.
As you say, it depends on what you are trying to see with each individual, but I think comparisons of 'less/more' and 'better/'worst' only muddy up the situation. I also disagree, however, that such an infringement is always a result of suffering on the part of the infringer. There is sadism, make no mistake about that and it is not so uncommon I believe.
Philosophically and in our hearts we can make all the justifications and forgiveness we want, but does it really seem sensible to enable through passivity? Personally, and it's just a distortion of mine, I think sadism has received more than enough forgiveness on this planet.
Also, before anybody goes all unityonenessforgivenesslovestuff on me, I love the heart and spirit of all, and I genuinely believe that there is divine, pure spark in all life. That doesn't mean I love everything everyone does. Actions are not a person, but to love a person you do not need to love their actions. I accept that these actions occur and I accept the individuals who have done them, but that doesn't mean I am inclined to twist the suffering in to some beautiful narrative of love. That would be insulting to the sufferers and does them no justice and instead would only service my own ego at my philosophical cleverness.