06-09-2016, 10:28 AM
Quote:I can provide more help. You smoke weed? Well you could vaporize it instead of smoking it which would allow chemicals that vaporize at a lower temperatures to not be destroyed by the flame and provide a different high. Imo, the vaporizer ends up paying for itself because in my case it really made me lower my consumption a whole lot, guess that would depend on the kind you get though.
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It really made me reduce my consumption a whole lot because you get really high with little and can vape on not much for quite a while. Got one at same time I stopped cigarettes and desired to cut smoke altogether since I was stopping them.
I actually have been vaping some but I just enjoy the act of smoking flowers. Anyway, this is an interesting point because it brings up the transformation - do I want marijuana that's already been "primed" for me, that gets me more stoned with less? Or do I want to go through the act of courting the flower? I know this is a silly one but I think the conversation about this started with the talk of crystallized DMT. It's not that I want to lower my consumption so that I get more stoned on less, I personally believe smoking marijuana (or using any altering substances on a regular basis) is symptomatic of a red-ray blockage. Why do I reject my experience as it is?
Quote:I think you miss that I haven't been trying to tell you that you should plunder anything but that you can still meddle with what you consider prostitutes. They probably need more love than a virginal maiden that has never been wronged.
When have I said that I wouldn't meddle with prostitutes? I fail to see where I made that point and where you subsequently tried to undo it. I even in my previous post referred to Gaia as a prostitute (which you had a problem with), and I send plenty of love to Gaia and work with her a lot. And in the analogy, where we are referring to our subconscious, where she IS both the prostitute and the maiden, she has already definitely been wronged, so it's about restitution to the maiden you have wronged.
Quote:My example still wasn't about plundering but offering what is required by other-self in a loving way. And again, can you court a prostitute?
I think this is where you are most confused. Again, Ra says "both the virginal and the prostituted INVITE and AWAIT the reaching". You say you hear the calls of the beef cattle so you make the sacrifice within the self to go to McDonald's to consume the beef out of love. Again, the prostitute will call you, tell you she needs you, and if you respond, you can still feel as if you served her. STS "serves" us by treating us like prostitutes. My reaction to the analogy is that I used McDonald's because I don't consume McDonald's because I think they epitomize the act of plunder, so giving them my money (feeding them with my energy) is something I long ago gave up participating in. I still hear the need to alleviate the dark energies so I do still work with that energy, at a distance.
Yes, you can court a prostitute. But you can't court a prostitute by "badly prostituting" her. This is what developing compassion is about, and understanding this archetype is about. The prostitute wants you to have sex with her and give her money in return, or at least, her surface desires say so - the veil makes her say so. Before the veil, it was impossible to badly prostitute something. That's why we go through the process to thin the veil IMO.
Quote:Just like STS entities, they need to use others to advance their own evolution.
More than Ra, it is the brothers and sisters of sorrow that I feel like conquer worlds and worlds for selfish reasons while using selected others as a pretext to do so. That they do this to learn lessons they constantly avoid learning and have no desire to learn, they want to dwell in a positive intent they avoid questioning further to not shake the light they dwell within. I do think past a certain point, this becomes plundering because there is a lack of desire to better their ways of service and move forward.
I do find the purity of their intent quite beautiful, but their unwillingness to learn and desire their to blind themselves to the inherent selfishness of what they do however many times they repeat it again and again, does give me mixed feelings. I still believe most of those of Ra don't do this.
Okay... who are you to say these entities haven't learned certain lessons? How would you know this? How do you know that many of the positive entities of the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow (of which Ra calls themselves, and of which Ra is likely some of the most STO biased) didn't already retrace the negative path unto the positive one, and now is trying to alleviate the suffering of those they perceive as dwelling in darkness?
I think where you are lacking compassion is for all of the asleep entities that are crying out for help. They want spiritual catalyst so that they can "wake up" to a point where they aren't sleepwalking like slaves through their existence. I think of those who are trying to help harvest, as entities who are gently shaking the shoulders of those who are sleeping through their alarm. When they wake up, they will likely be grateful. If they oversleep, they're going to be disappointed in themselves. I'm just adding stimulus to the "alarm".
You say everyone should be allowed to use the catalyst available to them. Sleep specifically implies that one is unable to or not using the catalyst that is available to them.
Quote:Like I said, we can come here for myriads of reasons. I am quite fond of 3D and it's veil.
I'm also fond of the veil! But do you mean you aren't trying to use the archetypes in an effort the pierce the veil more thoroughly? The veil never goes away, it just thins more and more, or re-thickens if we get lazy.
Quote:Becoming aware of these things does have an impact on how you will feel about things and in turn on your polarity. If you peel off your veil you can't bound yourself to remain as you were before and here again there is an act of letting you as you've been saying yourself. To open yourself to higher ways known as known to your soul, you need to acknowledge that within yourself you know better and must make a choice to open yourself to this inner experience which contains so much more than a single lifetime, you need to let go of your ways of service to perceive that you have a greater potential within yourself and that unwillingness to connect to this potential that you hold and which is within your reach, also can be considered plundering, because you won't seek to offer the best you can offer and make a choice to dwell in a lesser state than you can reach.
I don't think any of this is unrelated to the archetype. Just like you say you can move on to ways that are without plunder, this doesn't mean that it stops there on the first basic level and that you can't do more and more. Like I said there are degrees of awareness which allow you to perceive much more than your conscious mind can perceive, and this awareness can make you act differently than you used to if you want to remain as loving and with the same positive intent in what you do.
I don't disagree with what you've been saying, what I disagree with is that what I've been saying is unrelated to it.
No, you've actually disagreed a lot with what I've said, called it heavily distorted, etc. When have I denied opening oneself up to higher experiences of the soul? The fact is, Ra says the mind must be known FIRST, and this is a step we are obviously all struggling with (except you, you have it down pat ) Then we can begin to learn about the movements of the soul. If the mind is confused, everything in context of the movements of the soul is confused - much like your anger towards harvest and the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow. It seems confused. If you believe everything can do as it will, why do you call what the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow do as "selfish", relatively? Isn't free will always selfish, but in an attempt to work at becoming less selfish/more unified? How else can we work on being unified other than helping other parts of the Creator raise their vibrations to unification?
It's not that what you are saying is 'unrelated', it is just muddling the point of the archetype. You come into this latest post and act like you've been agreeing with me the whole time but you actually haven't. You apparently think you have a more enlightened view of what is means to be STO than Ra does, and I'm happy with that you feel secure in that, and I haven't been trying to take that away from you. Again, I don't disagree with you either, except on a few points of the archetype - that you think it's basically impossible to plunder, and that the highest action is to give into every whim of the high priestess through the veil. These are things you have been advocating. If you have changed your mind, that's cool, but don't act like I'm making up strawmen when you are the one who keeps moving the goalposts.
Quote:While I think the creator basically is an eternal child, since the card is about transformation should not the movement reflect the transformation of one? I see it as symbolizing growth.
Personally I see it as more of a reversion to that eternal child, but either way that eternal child is why I was hinting that the idea of a teenage love story isn't quite as shallow as you immediately dismissed it as.
Quote:I'm not talking about sex... I'm not courting the dog because I am not seeking anything from it but am simply sharing a moment with it. I already said to me courting implies trying to win something.
But you ARE seeking something, you are seeking to share a moment with it. That is my definition of courting. The "sexual" analogy infers the "simultaneous orgasm" of mutual pleasure received by two entities who "share a moment".
I really have a problem continuing discussing on a "point for point" basis like this, I think a lot of meaning gets lost and it's just attempts at quips and backtracking. Again, you have disagreed with much of what I said, but somehow in your most recent post you make it seem like you were agreeing with me all along, but just trying to teach me some sort of higher lesson? My point is that I am trying to talk about a "lower lesson", a fragment of the higher lesson. Either way, I do feel we have a different understanding of this card and it is somewhat incongruent.
You say polarity is relative and that anyone can experience anything and polarize how they please. This is true to an extent. However, the Transformation of the Mind is about getting to the place where you do have the conscious power to do such things. Otherwise, you are justifiying negatively polarizing or unpolarizing acts. We are groping in the moonlight, because of the veil, which is why we use the archetypes to thin the veil, so that we have more "light", aka more wisdom. Ra says that "well-meant and unintentional slavery" is ubiquitous here, and I think that going to McDonald's to eat the beef because you feel bad for it is "well-meant but unintentional slavery" - because you are still helping perpetuate the "slavery". Because, it's not JUST about the mind realm - it's about how the mind interacts with the body. Can you court the prostitute? Well, if in your mind you think you are courting the prostitute, but you are still just engaging her in prostitution, you are not "courting" her, you are prostituting her. Haven't you ever seen Pretty Woman?? There is implied a different in action, or at least the outward thrust of the will, as Ra says, "go forth and court it".
Quote:83.12 Questioner: Then you say that there are no cases where those who are service-to-others oriented are using in any way techniques of enslavement that have grown as a result of the evolution of our social structures? Is this what you mean?
Ra: I am Ra. It was our understanding that your query concerned conditions before the veiling. There was no unconscious slavery, as you call this condition, at that period. At the present space/time the condition of well-meant and unintentional slavery are so numerous that it beggars our ability to enumerate them.
What I'm trying to do is avoid any acts which might make something beholden to me as a slave. Of course, this is nigh impossible, but that's why the Transformation is so useful, because it's always there to be used.
At one point, you put quotations around "human" and scoffed that I was too interested in the human realm. What I feel from you is that perhaps your use of entheogens has done something to your red-ray that makes you disconnected from this experience. I really try to avoid anything that cuts me off from being grounded in this reality, because I do want to be involved in human services. A lot of the Hatonn channelings that you posted were in attempts to help move people out of the martyr vibration - I'm also trying to talk to those who have moved out of, or who are trying to move out of the martyr vibration. This is one step along the journey to "advanced" stuff. But you must know the mind realm before you can fruitfully explore the spirit realm.
When you initially came into this thread, which was an anecdote about my relationship with my husband and his relationship with his subconscious, you scoffed at the idea of the archetype because you thought that the idea of the Creator desiring compassion was unpalatable. You also didn't like the polarity implied by the male/female interaction. You also have implied that your have an open communication with your High Priestess that requires nothing that you would consider courting, and nothing that you would consider plunder. Yet you still accept polarity - then how would you define it? I mean, how do you contextualize it in your interactions with others? You have also said you have a problem with the romance implied in the card, which is echoed throughout the rest of the archetypes. How do you reconcile the act of lovemaking that is implied throughout?
Quote:Ra: To begin to master the concept of mental discipline it is necessary to examine the self. The polarity of your dimension must be internalized. Where you find patience within your mind you must consciously find the corresponding impatience and vice versa. Each thought that a being has, has in its turn an antithesis. The disciplines of the mind involve, first of all, identifying both those things of which you approve and those things of which you disapprove within yourself, and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal. The mind contains all things. Therefore, you must discover this completeness within yourself.
Ra says to know the mind, you must recognize each thing and its antithesis. You must internalize the polarity of this dimension. You must be able to see and recognize the dipoles. You say male/female, plunder/court don't work - but, these are dipoles that must be understood and internalized on some level to move forward.