(06-03-2016, 01:57 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:Quote:My example was still about you feeling called to do this through a feeling of love, else yeah my example makes no sense within the context.
And my point is that "both the virginal and prostituted mind await the reaching", i.e. the prostitute needs love too, and will ask for it and expect it in the way that she's used to. It's how we go about expressing that love that is important, not just that we give it. Am I going to respond to her initial, shallow cry for help, i.e., have sex with me and pay me for it so I can use the transferable resources in another way, or am I going to find a better way to facilitate that energy exchange? Again, you can feel love while pillaging the earth and drilling a huge hole and singing songs about money while you do it - but this isn't the type of "love" we are talking about!!! This card is about cultivating green-ray compassion on the STO path. Is someone drilling into the earth's crust to extract its resources purely for financial gain doing it out of compassion? No. They are doing it out of "love", though, certainly!!
Not sure you really understand my point. Don't you have crystals anyway? You look at those and feel sorry that you are partaking in the product of plunder or see that they are a portion of the earth that was meant and sought to be spread?
I think there's infinitely more to green-ray compassion on the STO path than making mindless soldiers that follow a single template within that path.
(06-03-2016, 01:57 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: You can be upset about "forced harvest" but this is so much of what Ra's philosophy is about, it's not just my shallow interpretation. 4D is coming/here. 3D energies are still lingering for all of those who want them, but slowly those who need them are incarnating on another planet where the 3D energies are still "entrenched". I mean, I think this is the best thing that can be done to preserve free will at this point - the clock has struck the hour, as Ra says. Are your intentions of service to delay the harvest of the planet? I think this is something that's way bigger than we can possibly imagine, Harvest doesn't just involve this one planet or this one race of incarnate 3rd density entities.
The clock has struck the hour within one cycle. Humanity is not ready in it's choice yet is deprived of it's choice by higher density beings who do not desire to see further cycles happen for their own reasons. As long as there is a call that can justify their presence, they will do as they will while disregarding the vast majority of the inhabitants of this world. To me this quite heavily feels like plundering.
The cycles are cycles, they are made to be allowed to repeat as much as needed. But sure, these beings want to move on in their own cycle and as long as they feel loving about themselves and get to increase their own polarity, all is well and it cannot be called plundering
(06-03-2016, 01:57 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I do not know on the grand scale why the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow answer the calls of service in the ways they do, such as the way they answer calls from other densities and by sending Wanderers here. But one thing I take on faith is that it must be a valiant effort and goal to work towards, to help be the catalyst towards another's spiritual progress. A catalyst is the process of adding something to the mix to change it. We're all catalyst all the time, it's just a matter of refining the chemical reaction we are trying to instigate.
This is like in any portion of evolution within this Octave, they answer what justifies their own desires. You can trust me that I do not find their ways to be nearly as loving as they are presented to be.
(06-03-2016, 01:57 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: You said in another post that you just don't reach often, and that's why it's hard to resonate with courting. And I think this is exactly why Ra says "go forth and court" - because the archetypes are also about developing the will. Sure, I don't like to "reach" either, but another thing I take on faith is Ra's instructions to move about amongst other entities as a good service - I resonate very strongly with this. So, I'm trying to cultivate how, where, what I reach for - that is the whole point. My mind complex is constantly feeding unconscious "reaches", it's about learning how to cultivate a real desire for something to reach for. Yeah, Carla could have let the negative entity sweep her away to negative time/space, and sure, she would have learned lots of lessons about love and herself, but she is a Co-Creator and she used the power of her will to reach for an experience that aligned more with her personal desires as a fragmented piece of the Creator trying to have a co-operative experience. Desire itself it's not a bad thing, we've just complicated it thoroughly with the veil.
Reaching is not an alien concept to myself, just something I inherently don't have a need for.
I rather know what I am doing than mindlessly reach without much of a care for the consequences, while blinding myself to the own selfishness and hypocrisy of what I do. I think you seem to miss that what you can consider higher ways of love, to me may feel deeply as being without love. Just as you seem to feel that way about my own ways.
What Carla did or could've done matters not, if she had went into a negative time/space she would have come to love that she did and wish it to not have happened differently. That was my point.
(06-03-2016, 01:57 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: 3rd density, as Ra describes it, is a very complex "simulation" where there are lots of rules and lots of trial and error attempts have been made to perfect its experience. We're supposed to interact with it while we are incarnated, otherwise, I believe, we are totally missing the point. We can spend eons in 5th density in a cave by ourselves sending love and light and letting others reach and cultivating our own wisdom, but we are here to make choices. We are here to experience the limitations of those choices, of choosing one thing and letting go of another - which is precisely the opposite of infinity. That's what the veil is for. That's why most Wanderers are 6th density - they spent all that time cultivating wisdom, time to be foolish again! Ignorance is bliss after all.
Are you trying to convince me I came into these lands for the same reasons you did? Because I very well doubt that.
I think you miss how vast this Creation is and how there are infinite opinions about 3D and it's many uses.
(06-03-2016, 01:57 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:Quote:93.24 Questioner: I am assuming that you mean one full question, and I’ll make that question: I’d like to know the significance of the shape of the crux ansata, and if that’s too much of an answer I will just ask if there is anything we can do to make the instrument more comfortable or improve the contact?
Ra: I am Ra. There are mathematical ratios within this image which may yield informative insights to one fond of riddles. We shall not untangle the riddle. We may indicate that the crux ansata is a part of the concept complexes of the archetypical mind, the circle indicating the magic of the spirit, the cross indicating that nature of manifestation which may only be valued by the losing. Thus the crux ansata is intended to be seen as an image of the eternal in and through manifestation and beyond manifestation through the sacrifice and transformation of that which is manifest.
Quote:To go back on the archetype, I believe it is used when it seeks alignment with something. In my case I desire to be loving yet also to not betray myself in the process, which is part of how I desire to be loving.
And, again, you are free to use the transformation of the mind as you please, however, I will not acquiesce to accepting that your description of the archetype is representative of what Ra talks about with the transformation of the mind. What do you mean by, "to not betray myself in the process"? Because to me that seems like a caveat that allows you to avoid the type of dedication that is required/implied by the card. How can you betray yourself if you are serving the will of All? I feel as if you haven't actually studied Ra's archetypes with depth but have inferred your own course after discarding Ra's. I have no problem with that, except in the context of this thread where we are talking about courting the maiden.
More than saying I've been using the transformation of the mind as I please, which I am well aware of, I think I have mainly been trying to explain to you that you are using the transformation of the mind as you please while trying to blind yourself to that fact. Just as the way Ra has described using it is also but a whim. The archetype is more than what use you can make of it, it is what allows it to be used. You plunder nothing as long as you don't feel like you aren't plundering a thing, but like you disagree with what I can consider plundering to be, I also disagree with what you consider plundering to be and probably would find many things in your way of loving that I would consider myself to be plundering if I did.
You so often tell me that I seek to justify myself but what I see is that by denying the relative aspect of it, you justify your own self and ways. What I mean by not betraying myself is exactly what you have expressed about that you would never agree to eat meat even if it meant offering a green-ray STO service. You can only offer love as you can feel it and I don't expect myself to betray how I feel love to offer it as some other-selves think I should be offering it. This would most certainly be completely depolarizing and make me much more without love than with love.
I also do not deny Ra explanations, I mainly try to see what they hint toward instead of dwelling into an image even Ra knows to be extremely insuffisient to describe what it seeks to hint toward. If you want to blind yourself to the fact that polarity has been included probably in close to each of my posts within this thread, feel free to.
(06-03-2016, 01:57 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Any thoughts on any of the other elements I've tried to introduce into the conversation? What do you make of the genie? How do you feel about the word compassion?
I'll come back later upon this, how I feel about compassion is that you probably have compassion for things I have none just as I probably have compassion for other things you have none. Hence it is a relative emotion that is internalized differently by each based on one's experiences.
Our hearts simply have different focuses and care about different beings, and I don't think my love for this world falls behind your own.