1979.06.17 Hatonn on the Octave

[zenmaster]

Folks, there is no direct experience of the 4th dimension (be it "outer" or "inner") within a 3rd density inner plane such as the "astral". Even to the most advanced 3D "adept", it may be only expressed as shadows on a wall. 4D as "astral" is only a quite distant harmonic tuned in resonance with whatever inner work has been done. Very simply, the mind, being primary to all experience, must be "vibrating" at the same level (or higher) of the vibration of a density in order to have direct experience of the density (and even then there is movement up its subdensities involving millions of years).

But 4D experience is possible for this spirit given the correct mind/body 'circutry' and let's say some ability/faith comparable to that of Carla whom actually departs from her mind/body complex in order to 'rest' with those of (Ra complex?) in a sort of transfer of states. Whether these memories are able to etch into the 3D memory is improbable.

The spirit does not create experience, that's what the mind and body are used for - to create experience.