Biased view of STS...and INFINITY

[rva_jeremy]

I strongly feel there is a misunderstanding of STS here, it seems that STS is always linked to something evil, which is obviously false :
The link between good/evil and positive/negative is pure human biasing, servicing the self don't necessarily make you a killer or something like that, (well, i have to admit the path is pretty dark and can easily lead to it)

Keep in mind that the entire reason for using a term like STS is expressly to remove the judgement from the choice of path. Even "negative" has connotations that LOO adherents attempt to avoid except as a carefully chosen synonym. I think it's hard for people to live a life that realizes LOO philosophy consciously if they're still falling into the "good/evil" paradigm (I could be wrong, just my opinion). If there is an equivalence between "evil" and STS in people's minds, it is probably just an unavoidable shorthand we use to try to make sense of our world projected onto the model Ra provides - by shorthand, I mean "distortion". Perhaps ultimately an unavoidable distortion in a human world, but one we should at least recognize.

My view is that STS represents the energetic and philosophic emphasis on the self as creator, and STO represents the energetic and philosophic emphasis on the creator as self, if that makes sense. The third density payoff on using the terms comes when you can identify trends of behavior and priorities that come from emphasizing one polarity over the other. Do you consider your personality as an individual the dominant partner in the self/otherself relationship, or do you consider the self and the otherself as a co-equal relationship? What are the behavioral implications of that, since in third density it is through behavior (incarnate action and conscious thought processes) that we learn lessons that can be grounded in the roots of mind?

Even that is a clunky distillation of the essence of the Choice. Perhaps the healthiest view of the STS/STO duality is to see it as a tool for development rather than an identity. You aren't STO or STS; you are simply emphasizing STO or STS within a unified creation at any given time. But I appreciate it immensely anytime somebody tries to introduce some nuance into this concept. Chaotikmind, thank you.

One more thing: consider that your defense of STS is *itself* a judgment that may be as unnecessary as the judgement that STS is evil. Just a thought. Since all of us are both, the judgement is, as we all know, wholly unnecessary - and yet, in the judging we may learn things about ourself and the Creator.

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I find this a rather curious perspective...I think this is the first time I've heard Ra being described as lacking understanding.

This concept of the amorality of STS - isn't that really what we're talking about? - was a stumbling block for me as well. In my first attempts to grapple with the LOO, I even came out of it initially thinking that Ra themselves did not favor STO over STS - especially since at 6th density they were past polarity.

I think a better perspective is to understand that the Ra contact is probably only useful to people who people who are on the STO path generally. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that, in the vast majority of cases, I don't see the Ra material as being helpful to anybody save people who have already made the Choice. I don't think an intellectual appreciation of these concepts is possible without motivation from a deeper level of self, a deeper resonance that motivates the intellectual framework and investment.

Also, please remember that much of what is involved in the STS path is illusion; more specifically, the potentiation of falsehood. I've often held that the reason STS is not as efficient a path is because it denies the essential unity of creation in a fundamental manner. STS is defined by this denial (at the risk of putting too fine a point on it). So it's clear that an entity already at unity, expressing the message of unity, will be more consonant with people who choose to live more in a unified manner and less in a separated manner. There's no judgment in choosing STS; it's merely that STS is an express exercise in illusion - much in the same way that the entire Creation is an experiment in what separation would be like if it were possible, right?

If my theses above are true, then one can equally say that (A) Ra holds no judgment towards STO or STS, (B) Ra favors STO merely by the nature of their contact, and furthermore © people on the STO path will naturally find Ra's message more useful than STS types.

I'd always thought Ra and indeed Q'uo were tolerant, understanding, and even rather nice towards STS...certainly more so than any religion I can think of!

I always thought so, too, and it confused me a bit at first.

Here's my real point. Many of the descriptions or explanations that Q'uo and Ra give for STS actions and behavior tend to produce judgmental responses in those that read them.

Yes, undoubtedly. This is compounded by our need to see evil as "outside" ourselves, so we can effectively judge it. This is a poor way to experience the dynamics Ra is trying to illuminate in the Creation (read: in ourselves).

Time and again we hear that the nature of STS is control, manipulation, and disregard for other's free will and rights. Although I concede that this may be (but, IMHO, needn't always be) a characteristic of STS, what I hear ChaotikMind saying is that it misrepresents the true nature of STS which is simply concerned with itself primarily - but does not inherently wish to dominate and manipulate others.

Well, I think it represents accurately what the philosophy of STS as a fundamental choice can lead to in terms of third density behavior, at least. But it's a very general dynamic and specific examples must be carefully considered. It's important to understand not merely that STS = bad stuff, but WHY it is associated with these behaviors. In other words, it requires reflection beyond merely "memorizing the formula", if you will. "STS = bad" is not good enough.

I also think that there is an elitism, of sorts, in many STO individuals because they feel that theirs is the "right" ultimate path, and smile when they think that in mid sixth density the STS entities must transition to STO in order to proceed.

This is a common distortion. It can be acknowledged without being overstated. In other words, I can say you're right on that specific point without needing to concur with a more general, sweeping statement about STO people. No judgement needed on either side - when we find it, we forgive it and move on.

Is it not just as likely that early 6th Density STS teachers, inform their students that STO must convert to STS in order to continue?

Well, setting aside the speculative nature of this statement, then I suppose it's possible. But the most intense experience of the STS path would not see 6th density as the goal, in my view. STS celebrates separation on a fundamental level, while STO seems to want to realize unity in the context of an illusion of separation. In fact, I'd argue the most intense experience of STO doesn't see reunification as the goal, either. Rather, in 3rd, 4th, and 5th densities, the goal is to experience the creator at that particular band and learn those particular lessons. The larger goal of reunification is one that is probably a bit sublimated - in service of the lessons. A thirst for oneness is more of a undercurrent than something up front, again, in order that the Creator might know itself.

I suggest that STS entities do not have to become STO to proceed, and STO entities do not need to become STS to proceed. What must happen is that all polarity must be abandoned and a true balance achieved. For those watching this balance from an STS perspective, the STO becomes more like them, and vice versa. Ultimately, they all meet in the middle.

This is an interesting philosophical speculation. I want to encourage you to continue it. No reason whatsoever we should just swallow whatever Ra dishes out.

My contribution would consist of asking what unity actually means vis a vis STO and STS. To me, it's not two halves of a whole so much as two responses to truth, namely the truth of ultimate unity - creator as self. Do you accept unity transcending your own, individual identity, or do you reject it and embrace a limited, separated identity? But it's difficult to parse these matters in a forum, so you get kudos from me for the attempt.

GREAT CONVERSATION - keep it up, this is so awesome. I only wish I had more time to participate. And this is all my personal opinions, I'm not "right".