02-11-2009, 06:48 AM
Hello Lavazza.
It looks like this topic has gone out of hand a little, I will attempt to discuss what you took up.
As I've understood it, one cannot really be STO and out of the karmic cycle before one's intention is to help others, simply because one has realised that they are you, and that all you do is reflected upon you. Karma is ignored since it doesn't really matter anymore.
If you go around helping people for karma, then you are obviously still in the karmic cycle. Then your intention mainly is to help yourself.
I believe it is very hard to "instantly" forgive yourself, and switch polarity just like that, though of course possible. Personally I had to go through much mental suffering to switch from a very STS centered life. There is so much to forgive and forget, so many mental ghosts and prejudice that hampers you. Of course I'm not perfectly balanced yet.. but it is my intention.
Can you see yourself having STO intention now, experimenting a little, and maybe switch? This is not the same forgiveness of self that makes you see it for forever, that you know deep inside you that this is the right path.
I find it hard still to see differences in STS and STO in some ways, such as: are you doing service to others for yourself or for others? There is only the subtle difference in intention.
It looks like this topic has gone out of hand a little, I will attempt to discuss what you took up.
As I've understood it, one cannot really be STO and out of the karmic cycle before one's intention is to help others, simply because one has realised that they are you, and that all you do is reflected upon you. Karma is ignored since it doesn't really matter anymore.
If you go around helping people for karma, then you are obviously still in the karmic cycle. Then your intention mainly is to help yourself.
I believe it is very hard to "instantly" forgive yourself, and switch polarity just like that, though of course possible. Personally I had to go through much mental suffering to switch from a very STS centered life. There is so much to forgive and forget, so many mental ghosts and prejudice that hampers you. Of course I'm not perfectly balanced yet.. but it is my intention.
Can you see yourself having STO intention now, experimenting a little, and maybe switch? This is not the same forgiveness of self that makes you see it for forever, that you know deep inside you that this is the right path.
I find it hard still to see differences in STS and STO in some ways, such as: are you doing service to others for yourself or for others? There is only the subtle difference in intention.