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2007.01.21 Q'uo session - Lavazza - 02-06-2009
Hi guys,
There was a thread somewhere, can't find it now, where there was a question about the harvest in terms of how polarity is judged. Is it something that you build up over a certain time period, or is the soul judged upon the average of all deeds done incarnation?
At the end of this session Q'uo talks about this specifically. They state that polarity is not something that can be saved up or banked, it is based upon the vibrational level of the indigo chakra at the time of harvest.
In other words, polarity can be determined or even switched in a fraction of a second. You do not have to live up to a certain number of years of service, and likewise you cannot be judged upon your past actions- it all comes down to your intentions at that exact moment. I suppose this is how 6th density negative entities can continue to evolve after eons of negative service! And a good thing too, otherwise that entity would have a lot of work to do with karma. But even karma can be negated if one is willing to forgive the self, which is also discussed in this session.
RE: Jan 21st 2007 Q'uo session - airwaves - 02-06-2009
Don't STO and STS combine in 5d? I believe I read this somewhere, I will do some research and get back if I can find anything. If anyone else knows please tell/show. Sorry if it is a little off topic :p
Also as an after thought http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0121.aspx is the session your are talking about I believe.
RE: Jan 21st 2007 Q'uo session - ayadew - 02-06-2009
(02-06-2009, 04:14 PM)airwaves Wrote: Don't STO and STS combine in 5d? I believe I read this somewhere, I will do some research and get back if I can find anything. If anyone else knows please tell/show. Sorry if it is a little off topic :p
Also as an after thought http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0121.aspx is the session your are talking about I believe.
Hello airwaves, 5th density is that of Wisdom, it is still polarized.
6th is that of balancing love and wisdom = no polarity.
RE: Jan 21st 2007 Q'uo session - airwaves - 02-06-2009
ayadew you are doing a very good of a job answering my questions today!
Thank you it really does mean a lot.
Now I have to check my other posts that I made today lol
Love and Peace
RE: Jan 21st 2007 Q'uo session - Daniel - 02-07-2009
Hey just a few things to bring up. Polarity is judged upon the violet ray I believe which is right above the indigo chakra. It's at the top of the head.
Also from what I understand there are a few 6th density negative entities in early sixth density before both polarities combine in mid sixth density. I can look up the session that explains this if anyone is interested.
Have Fun
RE: Jan 21st 2007 Q'uo session - airwaves - 02-07-2009
(02-07-2009, 03:53 AM)Daniel Wrote: Hey just a few things to bring up. Polarity is judged upon the violet ray I believe which is right above the indigo chakra. It's at the top of the head.
Also from what I understand there are a few 6th density negative entities in early sixth density before both polarities combine in mid sixth density. I can look up the session that explains this if anyone is interested.
Have Fun
Please do! I would love to look in to that session in dept if it is not any trouble for you.
Thanks ahead of time!
Love and Peace
RE: 2007.01.21 Q'uo session - ayadew - 02-11-2009
Hello Lavazza.
It looks like this topic has gone out of hand a little, I will attempt to discuss what you took up.
As I've understood it, one cannot really be STO and out of the karmic cycle before one's intention is to help others, simply because one has realised that they are you, and that all you do is reflected upon you. Karma is ignored since it doesn't really matter anymore.
If you go around helping people for karma, then you are obviously still in the karmic cycle. Then your intention mainly is to help yourself.
I believe it is very hard to "instantly" forgive yourself, and switch polarity just like that, though of course possible. Personally I had to go through much mental suffering to switch from a very STS centered life. There is so much to forgive and forget, so many mental ghosts and prejudice that hampers you. Of course I'm not perfectly balanced yet.. but it is my intention.
Can you see yourself having STO intention now, experimenting a little, and maybe switch? This is not the same forgiveness of self that makes you see it for forever, that you know deep inside you that this is the right path.
I find it hard still to see differences in STS and STO in some ways, such as: are you doing service to others for yourself or for others? There is only the subtle difference in intention.
RE: 2007.01.21 Q'uo session - Daniel - 02-11-2009
In session 36 Ra speaks of an early negative sixth density social memory complex. Ra says
that they have to choose to switch polarities to spiritually evolve any further past early
sixth density.
RE: 2007.01.21 Q'uo session - Monica - 02-13-2009
(02-11-2009, 06:48 AM)ayadew Wrote: I find it hard still to see differences in STS and STO in some ways, such as: are you doing service to others for yourself or for others? There is only the subtle difference in intention.
Very good point! The STO entity seves others out of genuine concern for the well-being of the other-self, whereas the STS entity sees other-selves as mere tools to achieve one's own ends. Many STS entities are easily recognizable - the classic stereotypical 'darklord' or corrupt/evil criminal. Less easily recognizable are those STS entities who may appear altruistic on the surface, but are actually manipulating others for their own gain. In those cases, it does appear that only the intention is different...which is further clouded by the realization that other-selves ARE self...so service to others=service to self.
However, the difference, as I see it, is that the STO entity realizes that others=self, while the STS still sees self as separated from others.
Also, and this is an important distinction imo, the STO entity respects the free will of other-selves, whereas the STS entity doesn't care about the free will or well-being of other-selves and will control, dominate, and stomp on anyone to serve self.
Actually, I'm not even so sure that realization of Oneness is even a requirement...I know of lots of religious people who are truly loving towards others, while still believing that they are all separate. They are beginning to recognize others of their own religion as part of their own brotherhood, but cannot recognize those outside their religion...they still see them as 'other.' They may be loving towards those who are 'other' out of duty or because their religion dictates, or to get their ticket to heaven; all of which might still be classified as self-serving even though it may appear STO on the surface...they still see the 'unsaved' as separate and even as the enemy. I wonder if that's where the 51% comes in...
RE: 2007.01.21 Q'uo session - ubergud - 02-26-2009
I think part of the problem in conceptualizing some of the LOO material is held within our concept of time. How long is a fraction of second in 5th density [i.e. when you're hanging out in the wisdom density after death]? Is that where the polarization is measured ... immediately after 'death' or after a period of 'time' in 5th density? Personally, I wonder if the veil hides more than the mechanics of this 'system of measurement', 'harvest', 'graduation between densities', etc. I also feel that there is an underlying 'rut' of self-judgement tied up in even analyzing our experience here in terms of polarization/STO/STS. I feel that way, because it seems picking one makes the other 'other'.
Perhaps the veil is hiding [even from ourselves, by choice], the idea that we *chose* to be here to go through this experience ... all of it .... The experience being more real [genuine] because we don't know [i.e. that we are all part of something greater]. And because some desired more intense [dark] experience [i.e. some enjoy reading, others extreme sports], the reality here due to our being one, supports the extreme differences in what we experience, but because we are one, we get it all reflected in our reality.
Jason
RE: 2007.01.21 Q'uo session - ayadew - 02-26-2009
Hello ubergud, you make a very good point.
I feel the small details rarely matters, such as the mechanics you mention ('system of measurement', 'harvest', 'graduation between densities', etc).
When I started studying LOO they were quite intellectually challenging and fascinating, but really, of what importance is that knowledge? We can discuss these details for ever, we can discuss our subjective realities until we've gone through all human experiences and we'd still have an infinite more.
I can't say I'm not guilty in discussing these, but lately I've begun to feel a decrease in interest in these, as the true nature of this density has unfolded to me: nothing can be proven or disproven.
So what matters then? This is the feeling I'm currently discovering.. since you can shape your own reality, due to all being a paradox here in the end, you are free to chose to love all in every moment.
And if you have this, what else does one need?