Quote:Disclosure already has happened, it's just that some people don't think it's in a desirable form - because they think they know better.
So why then do you fight tooth and nail against the idea that it would be fashioned in a more desirable form as we get closer to end of cycle?
Quote:That would be a nifty thing to demand, because then some department in the US government becomes the authority to convey the meaning and purpose of ET visitation. Imagine the possibilities for how such a revelation could be framed.
So it's a bad idea because the government could use it as a fear tactic? What if government had no inclination towards that strategy?
Quote:Hogey thinks disclosure is part of a shift to the "4D mindset" (whatever he thinks that is).
I think disclosure could aid in a shift to "4D mindset". In my own terms, a "4D mindset" is one in which we can start to process 4D catalyst as a whole rather than as individual beacons. In practical terms, I mean this as a clearing of confusion (aka a clearing of 3D artifacts). I don't expect it go over in a day, year, or even a decade. I expect the 100-700 year transition period to hold true, but that only designates the end of the project. I believe disclosure is just a helping hand along the way. A chance to end many of the 3D distractions and influences that are laden on this planet now due to STS harvest. As much as we might think it's up to every last one of us to make the change before the others, i'm not sure how that actually works in theory. Whenever the 'tipping point' happens to be, there will be some who 'are not ready'. Our issue lies in whether we can determine who is ready or not by their environment and generalized conclusions based on those things. I don't feel that is fair; how is that point of view not elitist?
Quote:I think there's an analogy between rejected catalyst and the need for 'disclosure'. That is, just as catalyst tends to be ignored, due to lack of awareness and acceptance, and eventually must be felt in the physical, so to with the demands for how evolution can be exemplified by others. It's quite sad if you think about it.
I think you should tread lightly here. You are making yourself out to be quite the authority, determining for others what is rejected catalyst and not. How can you not see this as catalyst in and of itself? If i'm "wrong" and we're sitting here without disclosure 25 years from now, do you really think I will have missed out on something?
The way that you approach your own lessons and catalyst is night and day from how I deal with my own in my life. There's nothing wrong with that. We each are attributed different catalyst and different lessons, and while you may think of this subject as "sad", believe me when I say that you have no right to.
Are there people who are going to have their bags packed up on December 20th, 2012, expecting to get on a spaceship? Yes, there probably will. Will they learn a grand lesson that day? Absolutely. If i'm aware of that lesson, yet I press on anyhow, is it because i'm choosing to be ignorant or is it because I have maybe formulated it different than you have?
At the end of the day, I don't know what disclosure will or would entail. As i've said before, it could be anything from spaceships on our front lawns to ancient information surfacing regarding inarguable evidence that we interacted with ETs in our past. It could be a little voice that appears in our heads and starts a conversation with us. For all we know, all wanderers will 'awaken' and lead the planet into a new horizon, having earned their right to through incarnation. Disclosure could happen in all sorts of contexts and ways; I do not claim to know which is the truth. I just can't see some situation where the entire planet will be ready for the upgrade at once; no matter what there will be those who are not ready nor compatible. In this way, I feel disclosure could very well help these people from going 'insane', as Rie has put it
Quote:Right now, what I think I would enjoy most is a big global sigh of relief. And I don't think that "Disclosure" right now would be supportive of that. There's too much general fear and apprehension going around.
I disagree on the fear and apprehension part. More than ever before do we have a beat on who the 'bad guys' are and what they are trying to do. That may bring out fear in some, but it brings out strength in others. Even with the last Israel/Palestine fiasco, there was very little talk or relation to WW3 or anything major really starting up. Even CNN was implying that this whole thing has gotten ridiculous. I don't see the dark clouds as much as others do.
Even to speak to something you were saying earlier, when I speak to Christian about the Congo, there are definitely those who are as you say and are truly struggling, but that is not the case with most. Most are just trying to live their lives, and they do so in their villages and communities which are always built with some sort of spiritual or cultural system in place. Christian lived on his own from 10 years old to 14 in a country he was not from. He doesn't like speaking about those times, but what I am saying is that he is someone who has seen the worst of it. He has been completely alone as a child, yet, he takes his spiritual life more seriously than 99% of all North Americans I know. How does his story support your argument that these people are so distracted? Why do monks starve themselves to gain higher levels of contemplation and meditation? I feel we are all speaking of things we do not really know; I am the first to admit that. Maybe you are right, but I also think there is a chance that these people are far better off spiritually than you realize, and it is BECAUSE of their wants that they are that way. When everyone isn't eating, focusing purely on self doesn't make you many friends.
Quote:Seems to me that- as with all things- we would be contacted by a civilization that most closely mirrors our own vibration. Which would be disastrous. Hence the quarantine.
Unless all this negativity is coming from a very small, concentrated group of people (STS harvestables/hopefuls maybe?) It could be that the vast majority of the population has no appetite for war and domination. It's just that those who do have been able to rise to the top.
This is my underlying point, much to zen's hatred for conspiracy. I believe we are influenced and affected by the STS choice in a dramatic fashion. I think without this influence, the 4D world starts to emerge in a much more clear fashion to our worldview.