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David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - hogey11 - 11-15-2012 I was just reading this on David's site and thought i'd post it here. Personally, I am always interested in what David has to say relating to Law of One matters. So here we go! Quote:WONDERING WHAT WILL HAPPEN... I found some of David's insights very interesting indeed. Love and light, all ![]() PS my wife and i are having another baby! starting to tell people and i'm very excited. My daughter is already my pride and joy; i'll have to start making room in my heart for the next one! RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Daydreamin - 11-15-2012 Congrats on the news! My wife and I are having twins! Due date is beginning of June. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - hogey11 - 11-15-2012 We're due beginning of May ![]() ![]() RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Phoenix - 11-15-2012 Thanks for quoting this all, I would have found it hard to go through that long post and get to this. (In a bit of a sensitive state at the moment) Quote:This term comes straight out of the Book of Matthew, beginning in chapter 13. Now I realize the Law of One series was pointing us towards this passage all along. I am amazed it took me this long to figure this out -- and read what it says. This is probably because in the same instance David mistook 100- 700 years to his own rationalisations (we've all done it.) So now he came out and said that that wasn't correct he 'healed' it and could see the actual hints. Very jammy piece of work the Law of One. What with the whole 'Taras Bulba' thing on the other thread as well. 'The Crucifixion of Esmerelda Sweetwater' had as a main character Joshua. I may read through the book of Joshua later today. Congradulations on the new baby! RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - hogey11 - 11-15-2012 Quote:What with the whole 'Taras Bulba' thing on the other thread as well. Hmm which thread do you mean? I missed that... ![]() RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - hogey11 - 11-15-2012 For cross reference (using NIV version - not sure which bible is best): Quote:The Parable of the Weeds Also, a few verses later: Quote:The Parable of the Weeds Explained David's relation of this parable to the harvest is one of the things that intrigued me most about his opinion. It makes some sort of sense in that Carla's beliefs were often cited as a 'framework' in which Ra felt they could appropriately deliver deeper concepts and meanings. In this way, going to the Bible as a context for the word used makes a lot of sense (to me, anyways)... Just thought it was interesting. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Oceania - 11-16-2012 David seems to have changed his mind. which is interesting, that meditation in Canada did him good. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - hogey11 - 11-16-2012 and really, this is the part of David's character I really respect. He is forthright to a fault in that he shares where 'he is at' at all times, even despite being 'wrong' at times and even going into bad head-spaces. I respect the way in which he shares his journey. I know my own understandings of reality change from thread to thread here; everyone has another tidbit of truth in which I can learn from them. Another thing that is making sense to me about this is the aspect of the STS negatives 'going first' before the STO positives. I think there is a good chunk of society who relate to things like conspiracy theories and talk of 'the powers that be' (STS negatives) because they resonate with it. I think they resonate with it because the reality is that for negative elites to become harvestable, they have to more or less create dragnets to gather negative intention. These are directed at groups of people rather than individuals. Obvious examples would be things like the Media or Military. How quickly would our world change if these cogs in the wheel were replaced with working parts meant for good? RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - zenmaster - 11-17-2012 (11-16-2012, 09:10 AM)Oceania Wrote: David seems to have changed his mind.And this would be a surprise? RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Oceania - 11-17-2012 did you not read his essay about gradualism vs abruptlism? RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - hogey11 - 11-17-2012 I think he's still adhering to certain aspects of the 'abrupt' harvest, but I think he is coalescing those aspects into a gradual 'fallout' perspective as well. I appreciate his honest in saying that he just doesn't know exactly what to expect come December 21st. For any of us to be so sure is kinda silly. I can't predict tomorrow, let alone 2 months from now. Also, there are a lot of things that make me think. In Daniel's paper, he reiterated some info on the 'DNA healing' project where GMO seeds were 'transformed' back into their original versions by blasting them with certain DNA frequencies. What if something were to do this to earth on a planetary level? If a mechanism like that were to exist, it would have a 'on' moment, would it not? Or is it impossible that our planet would be influenced by something outside of our understanding? Can even we be changed by this mechanism? RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Cyan - 11-17-2012 (11-17-2012, 05:16 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I think he's still adhering to certain aspects of the 'abrupt' harvest, but I think he is coalescing those aspects into a gradual 'fallout' perspective as well. I appreciate his honest in saying that he just doesn't know exactly what to expect come December 21st. For any of us to be so sure is kinda silly. I can't predict tomorrow, let alone 2 months from now. I may be able to predict future trends to millions of years from now. But I can not predict what will happen the next second. I am in sufficent awe of my higher self/present self interaction and its potential once understood that the harvest, may very well, mean that I am personally awaken from a sunday nap to tend to the fields of corn with billybob and thorton. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Confused - 11-17-2012 Congratulations, hogey11 and Daydreamin, for the incoming souls into your families in the form of your offspring(s)! I am sure many at b4th will be holding you in thoughts and prayers for a very happy event. Please accept my wishes and prayers as well. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - reeay - 11-17-2012 The 'outcome' of everything DW talks about is supposed to be 'ridiculously positive' (his words). RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - hogey11 - 11-17-2012 Let's hope it is! ![]() and thank you, Confused. I am getting more excited by the day! The first go around has been very fulfilling ![]() RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - reeay - 11-17-2012 Do you think it's possible to be in a 'ridiculously positive' space? It's very polarized... RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - hogey11 - 11-17-2012 Depends in what context, but yes, I believe there are scenarios where a great percentage of the world's population could be very encouraged, even compared to today (especially with the middle east bullcrap that's unfolding right now). I don't think it would take very long for truth to change the world; the question is when the paradigm will change. Besides, let's say i'm wrong and come January we're still dragging out the same shitty stories we are now. What did I lose with my intention for positive things in the world? If they don't come to pass, i'm not going to let those disappointments crush my spirit as I know all is well and all is going as it should. Unlike some others, I don't see the foolishness in being positive and hoping for the best. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - reeay - 11-18-2012 Sometimes looking honestly at someone's work and understanding why they believe what they believe is an important part of learning/exercising discernment. In our seeking, we may look for information that confirms our hopes and desires instead of understanding the motivations behind those hopes and desires. When I read David's blog about his personal journey (and his personal stories/dreams from other blogs) I do see a part of himself wanting to see the 'ridiculously positive' world. There may be a difference between what we want to see and what is really playing out within us. I guess in our anxiety or fears or excitement we look to external sources, hoping to find out what the future will look. And we selectively filter in information that confirms our inner desires. 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of a problem.' (Krishnamurti) The problem being examined was, 'what is going to happen to us?' When I see 'ridiculously positive' outcome, I think, David must be looking for some sort of assurance that he and the rest of the world will be OK. I think it comes from his heart that he wants everybody and everything to be beautiful and safe. It mirrors all our hopes and dreams for a positive future timeline. If the outcome were full disclosure or end of tyranny with help from positive forces, that would have to come from the people of earth... that would take years, right? If we had outside help, then those benevolent beings would violate our free will. Scott Mandelker talks about this (he sounded a bit upset so maybe he had some personal things going on, I don't know). And I agree with you, it's important to vibrate that positivity. And also work with our fears and other lessons. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - zenmaster - 11-18-2012 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of a problem.' (Krishnamurti) At some point hopes and intention become distinct due to the availability of honesty. Until then, even with the utmost passion and sincerity, confusion and conflict must be unconsciously projected. The internal drama becomes the social drama, over and over. As Krishnamurti said, society and the individual are the same thing. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Tenet Nosce - 11-20-2012 According to my (ongoing) estimation there are several "points in time" which have become conflated: 1. The end of the major cycle of 75,000 years (Harvest). 2. The last moment of 3rd density vibrations. 3. The first moment of 4th density vibrations. 4. The moment in 3D where "positive" vibrations outweigh "negative" vibrations. 5. The moment in 3D where there are no more "negative" vibrations. I'm sure there are others I am missing. The idea is that there is a tendency, whether within myself, in DW's work, or anywhere else the Ra Material is discussed, to think that many- if not all- of these points are simultaneous from a linear time perspective. This is not in any case necessary. My current take on 12/21/12 is that it is a marker-flag for #4. If not for anything else intrinsic to time/space considerations, it could just have resulted from a sufficient amount of focused positive intent around this particular date. In a way, a self-fulfilling prophecy. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - zenmaster - 11-20-2012 (11-20-2012, 06:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I'm sure there are others I am missing.The precession of the rotational axis and the minor cycles. (11-20-2012, 06:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: My current take on 12/21/12 is that it is a marker-flag for #4.That would make no sense unless there was no free will. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - hogey11 - 11-21-2012 Quote:That would make no sense unless there was no free will. Maybe the choice has already been made? The calling may be high enough. None of us can be sure to know exactly what it sits at, but with the law of squares in effect, I feel all bets are off the table... RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Tenet Nosce - 11-21-2012 Quote:(11-20-2012, 06:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: My current take on 12/21/12 is that it is a marker-flag for #4.zenmaster Wrote:That would make no sense unless there was no free will. Eh? There must be some point at which the positive outweighs the negative- that is inevitable. The exact moment when that occurs is up to free will. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Parsons - 11-21-2012 Aha! The conversation between zm and TN exposes a logical inconsistency in the concept of a gradual harvest. zm is correct that it would violate the free will of the remaining population not ready for 4D. Yet, if there is no gradual reduction of population, there must be a 'turning point' in a gradual harvest. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Tenet Nosce - 11-21-2012 (11-21-2012, 02:25 PM)Parsons Wrote: Yet, if there is no gradual reduction of population, there must be a 'turning point' in a gradual harvest. 111 Thread Redirect --> Harvest: Do The Math RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Monica - 11-21-2012 (11-15-2012, 02:08 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I was just reading this on David's site and thought i'd post it here... I just read that last night and thought the same. I noticed the tone of this was much more positive and less focused on the negative elite, which I found refreshing! I especially liked what he said about the pineal gland being a time travel device - very cool! This coincides with what Nassim says about us being the event horizon. I had already concluded on my own that what 2012 was really about, was a nexus, by which we would be 'placed' into the appropriate timeline. Then I read this as confirmation! (11-15-2012, 02:08 PM)hogey11 Wrote: PS my wife and i are having another baby! starting to tell people and i'm very excited. My daughter is already my pride and joy; i'll have to start making room in my heart for the next one! Congratulations!! We are the threshold of something glorious! ![]() RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - caycegal - 11-21-2012 [quote='hogey11' pid='104780' dateline='1353002931'] [quote]WONDERING WHAT WILL HAPPEN... AN ALTERNATE TIMELINE The Law of One series heavily corroborates this message. It blatantly predicts that sixth-density ETs will literally move the most corrupt elements of our society out of here -- and put them on an alternate timeline. PS my wife and i are having another baby! starting to tell people and i'm very excited. My daughter is already my pride and joy; i'll have to start making room in my heart for the next one! [/quote] Congratulations, proud papa! Thanks for posting this. I never did get why David W. thought he was EC just because he looks like him, but I do enjoy reading his thoughts and a lot of what he says resonates w/me. Especially was interested in reading more about "alternate timeline." This correlates well with Jane Roberts' channeling about "parallel realities." She had an experience in which she and her husband encountered their more negative counterparts in what seems to have been some kind of bleed-through between realities (or timelines?). Perhaps there are numerous or even infinite opportunities for individuals to move into a different probably reality. And we each have (according to Roberts) counterparts, some of which are much more positive and evolved that others. This of course has been a recurring theme in Star Trek episodes. Regarding free will, I really like what Ra said about how our level of density is determined. I believe he said that it is as if each of us walks forward into the light until we come to a place where we feel comfortable, and that is where we stay (for a while). Something like that. I have no problem thinking this is a continuous rather than a once every millennium process. I see us all continuously moving forward into the light, so I guess I am inclined toward the gradualist camp. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Tenet Nosce - 11-21-2012 (11-21-2012, 03:58 PM)caycegal Wrote: Thanks for posting this. I never did get why David W. thought he was EC just because he looks like him, but I do enjoy reading his thoughts and a lot of what he says resonates w/me. This person uses a similar logic to make the case that DW is the reincarnation of Rasputin. http://brianstalin-rasputin.blogspot.com/ But that's not to say I think he is any more reliable a source... lower in the article he refers to the "The Demonic Channeled Messages of Ra." But then goes on to have a supposed quote from Wikipedia that doesn't say anything about "demonic" nor does he give any other explanation for why he thinks it is demonic. Also of note, the Wikipedia entry no longer exists: Quote:This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - hogey11 - 11-21-2012 @tenet - I don't even think that guy is even worth bringing up. A confused troll, imo. I never understand the vitriol and hatred David receives for purely sharing his work. Boggles my mind. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - reeay - 11-21-2012 (11-21-2012, 05:37 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: This person uses a similar logic to make the case that DW is the reincarnation of Rasputin. That was entertaining! The name itself is interesting 'brianstalin' lol. If we prime someone with statements such as, 'look, they look alike' or 'x and y look identical,' immediately the human mind would try to find similarities instead of differences (well, likely the 'naive' person). Same goes for 'x = y therefore they look identical.' I'm not sure how looking like someone could mean you had been that person in past life. Seems like people claim to 'know,' and then tell us that the proof is not accessible to anybody but themselves. |