11-25-2012, 01:59 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-25-2012, 02:14 AM by Tenet Nosce.)
(11-24-2012, 04:58 PM)hogey11 Wrote: This is where my real world experience disagrees with you.
I certainly wouldn't argue with your experience. But the experience you relate is the exception, not the norm. Your friend has had a quite unusual experience, according to the standard of Congoans. It is fallacious to attempt to generalize to all people in third-world nations based on your example.
In my experience, I have traveled through several third-world nations. There are certainly many people in these who are not in abject poverty. They are very, very poor, according to American standards, but they still have food to eat and a warm place to sleep. And yes, many of them are quite "spiritual."
Yes, it is true that so many people live on less than a dollar a day... but the flip side is that so much more can be purchased for a dollar. It is enough to meet basic subsistence.
But I'm not talking about those people per se. I'm talking about all people everywhere who start every day off not knowing if they are going to eat a meal or not.
Quote:Metaphysical knowledge is not required in what we speak of. For all we know, it is yet another unneeded distortion to our lessons...
One need not have knowledge of the human respiratory system, and yet they still require their lungs to absorb oxygen from the atmosphere. Similarly, metaphysical knowledge is not required, and yet the process we speak of as "harvest" is metaphysical in nature.
In order to attain harvest, an entity's mind must be polarized enough to attract a sufficient amount of the "light of harvestable quality." No knowledge of how this process works is necessary, but the process itself is absolutely necessary.
Quote:I would propose a possibility in this case. Let's say these atrocities are meant to happen for karmic purposes. Wouldn't it make sense from a higher self perspective to give those in those learnings the very best environment surrounding their lesson?
Sure, that is possible. But then, wouldn't it make sense from the perspective of a metaphysical society to abstain from contact until a population has worked out all these karmic knots?
(11-24-2012, 05:49 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Just because they have less does not predispose them to the STS side of things; the same desperation can be seen as opportunity to work in the STO dichotomy as well.
What I am saying is that STS and STO isn't even an option until basic physical survival needs are met. But you are taking the discussion sort of sideways here anyway.
The point which I was making is that humanity- as a collective- has the means available to us right here, right now, to put an end to abject poverty. And yet we haven't done this.
Why? Who knows why. Lots of reasons- including karma that needs to be worked out as of yet. But what I am saying is that I think there is a fair argument to be made- from the perspective of a metaphysical society- or even an advanced physical society- to refrain from contact until the population has demonstrated a basic level of understanding of the Law of One. It doesn't by any means need to be full unity consciousness, but at the least an open acknowledgment of the interconnectedness of all entities.
It is not only a protection for the pre-contact population, but for those who would make contact as well.
No doubt, there are some civilizations (and maybe you are from one of them) who feel that the time is right. Hatonn, for example, was all set to make a mass landing in the late sixties. But it didn't happen, and still hasn't happened.
Now I don't really know what is going on from the "other side" but my understanding is that there are large organizations- like the Confederation- which make these sort of determinations about contact in a group consensus fashion. So until that consensus is reached, there will be no open contact.
What is more, the fact that there has been no open contact suggests that consensus has not been reached. Although I do feel that point is closer than ever before.
Quote:Doesn't the bold part make all this 'people aren't ready' argument a moot point?
It does if we are actually at the end of the 75,000 year cycle. But we don't really know when that is. Could be tomorrow; Could be another thousand years from now. Even Ra said that the 75,000 years is approximate.
Quote:I read this as Ra saying that it doesn't matter if people aren't ready for the 4D sphere because the planet is no longer built for them anymore.
At the end of the cycle, those people are transferred to another 3D sphere. And from what I can make out from the transcripts, this is done quite unconsciously from their perspective.
Quote:I think allowing them the chance to live out their incarnation amongst the changing 4D world and then going back into a 3D incarnation after death is a little 'treat' given to them for being around for the harvest...
Putting a 3D entity in a 4D world is hardly a treat. They would go quite insane.