1981.01.05 - 1981.01.15 Last Hatonn Contact Before Ra

[Tenet Nosce]

My brother, I am not sure what you are trying to say here. That Hatonn is distorted towards compassion? Well, they are of 4th positive density, so I hope that they are distorted in that ray.

Well, yes. And I am revisiting my 4D friends through their recent message via Suzy Ward/Matthew that discusses the possibly immanent Disclosure of an ET presence on Earth.

I would offer to Hatonn, and also to those who receive their message, the viewpoint that there is much to be potentially taught/learned from the remembrance/understanding that this 3D/4D transition is part of a much larger process.

There is potentially great value in seeking that balance point of love/wisdom in every moment. What is loving, is not always wise. Yet there is a point where the two meet. This is a 6D concept that I have found to be an indispensable tool for assisting me to navigate the waters of Time.

No doubt, there are many 4D/positive civilizations who, like Hatonn, are eager to come forward and offer their assistance at this time. As a bona fide earthling, here on the ground, I observe that my fellow humanity has a certain propensity- a distortion shall we say- toward accepting loving/kindness from others, such that it can be difficult for many to perceive the difference between a true gift, and one given with strings attached.

Those who would be the selfless bearers of gifts to others may also have difficulty in perceiving the wisdom of allowing suffering to persist, when it is so easily alleviated.

In my view, the most empowering message humanity could receive from their ET friends right now is: "We are here with you, and we want you to know that all of the answers you seek are present within you, right now, in this very moment."

[Oceania]

i'm worried ascension is gonna turn into some helpy helperson soup of our complex knows best vs our complex knows best and you're naive turdheads vs hey what about our free will vs wtf there are aliens? and then someone will meltdown a nuclear plant to cheer us all up. they meltdown everywhere these days anyway. sigh. i was sorta hoping we'd get assistance from someone who knows what they're doing and like, maybe the densities would be in agreeance.

[kycahi]

My brother, I am not sure what you are trying to say here. That Hatonn is distorted towards compassion? Well, they are of 4th positive density, so I hope that they are distorted in that ray. To address the previous discussion that we had - I have a belief that thoughts can be seen and perceived in the Confederation. The thoughts of elderly brothers and sisters might have been seen by Hatonn, who then realized that it perhaps not was so wise to do whatever you think they were about to do. We all have our guardians. We have them. Hatonn have them. And Ra have them. About Hatonn being Harvesters - except that they work hard to provide the love vibration to this love starving planet, I bet also that many humans will cry with gratitude towards them while struggling with these steps of light, or whatever one is doing when death occurs nowdays.

I like this, assuming I understand you, Ankh. The Confederation can be entities in 4D, 5D and up, but it makes no sense for, say, 4D Hatonn to just take orders from 5D Ra. The Compassion Density does what they think best, without interference from the Wisdom Tempering Compassion Density. I suppose that 5Ders might throw a monkey wrench into 4D plans that would be way too foolish, but even then, they might do it without leaving evidence that it was them.

[zenmaster]

The Confederation can be entities in 4D, 5D and up, but it makes no sense for, say, 4D Hatonn to just take orders from 5D Ra. The Compassion Density does what they think best, without interference from the Wisdom Tempering Compassion Density.

There is a problem with the more 'gross' levels of intervention, when not specifically asked for. That is, it must be allowed a balance by the opposing parties. However, it could very well be that is exactly the role that Hatonn has or expects to have in this situation.

[NegaNova]

i'm worried ascension is gonna turn into some helpy helperson soup of our complex knows best vs our complex knows best and you're naive turdheads vs hey what about our free will vs wtf there are aliens? and then someone will meltdown a nuclear plant to cheer us all up. they meltdown everywhere these days anyway. sigh. i was sorta hoping we'd get assistance from someone who knows what they're doing and like, maybe the densities would be in agreeance.

Well...
I mean who's to say they are not in aggreance and don't know what they are doing? Although I feel that people on Earth are at a very fragile state (and I guess parodixically invincible at the same time), I do deeply trust in the care of others outside of our planet. Aside from the nuclear meltdown, do you feel like you are being taken in the wrong direction in your own personal life by Hatonn, Latwii, Ra, (Q'uo), etc.?

[Tenet Nosce]

I mean who's to say they are not in aggreance and don't know what they are doing? Although I feel that people on Earth are at a very fragile state (and I guess parodixically invincible at the same time), I do deeply trust in the care of others outside of our planet. Aside from the nuclear meltdown, do you feel like you are being taken in the wrong direction in your own personal life by Hatonn, Latwii, Ra, (Q'uo), etc.?

No, I don't personally feel taken in the wrong direction. I am just observing, as have some others in this thread, that there is a whole spectrum of beings here strung about the entire octave of densities. And, no, they do not necessarily all agree on the highest course of action.

We can use names like Hatonn, Latwii, Ra, Q'uo, etc. but what we are really talking about is a transmission originating from a particular place in the spectrum. Taken out of the proper context, one might be misled.

My concern here is for others who come across messages about ET landings on the Internet that do not have the cosmological framework to understand that an entity like Hatonn may not be seeing the whole picture.

[Oceania]

i'm worried ascension is gonna turn into some helpy helperson soup of our complex knows best vs our complex knows best and you're naive turdheads vs hey what about our free will vs wtf there are aliens? and then someone will meltdown a nuclear plant to cheer us all up. they meltdown everywhere these days anyway. sigh. i was sorta hoping we'd get assistance from someone who knows what they're doing and like, maybe the densities would be in agreeance.

Well...
I mean who's to say they are not in aggreance and don't know what they are doing? Although I feel that people on Earth are at a very fragile state (and I guess parodixically invincible at the same time), I do deeply trust in the care of others outside of our planet. Aside from the nuclear meltdown, do you feel like you are being taken in the wrong direction in your own personal life by Hatonn, Latwii, Ra, (Q'uo), etc.?

i don't know. i know i don't agree with all of their information, but i can make my life decisions without them. then again, i do feel like they and via that realization, the universe wants me to go in a direction i don't necessarily wanna go. then again i dunno if the universe agrees with them. who knows anything? i am confused as popsicles.

[kycahi]

well i really don't want us to be as unwise. it freaks me out these higher beings can be so naive. why can't we do wisdom and love all at once? it's like we're supposed to go through somekinda stupid phase. that lasts MILLIONS OF YEARS. and then what do we get for it? well hopefully by the end we haven't gone on international tv on some 3D planet and given the elderly there a heart attack thus causing us to spend more time in stupid phase to alleviate the karma and all this bullcrap. i'm starting to question the whole structure of the creation.:@

Ocean, I am very grateful to you for making me smile so often.

You may be frustrated as hell, but I find your comments to be pithy and full of insight. Please hang in there until we can satisfy at least some of your need for sanity in this enormous word puzzle.

[Oceania]

well, humor is all the insane have left. i will try. thanks.

[kycahi]

i don't know. i know i don't agree with all of their information, but i can make my life decisions without them. then again, i do feel like they and via that realization, the universe wants me to go in a direction i don't necessarily wanna go. then again i dunno if the universe agrees with them. who knows anything? i am confused as popsicles.

Oops, you did it again. I agree with your being unsure whether these sources really represent the One universe, and with your being skeptical. I'm not puzzled by it as you are though, and I can't explain why.

I love to write, so if I were as upset as you, Ocean, I would try to write out what I perceive these various sources are trying to say, then what I think of it. It might take me a week or many, and I might abandon the project before I finish it, but it would help me organize the info and my own conclusions.

As always, thanks.

[Oceania]

thanks, Ky.

[Tenet Nosce]

Some new information just released by David Wilcock. This document contains several transmissions from Hatonn, and a few from Latwii, to a group operating in the SE Michigan area during the 50's and early 60's.

http://divinecosmos.com/media/1950s_ETs.pdf

When I read Hatonn's words here, I get the same sort of impressions. Hatonn seems to be genuinely concerned with being of service to humanity. At the same time, I see certain areas where they appear to have limited understanding.

For example, they say that all of creation is one, but then draw lines between the "light" and the "darkness". So, are the "dark ones" part of creation, or not? They say evil doesn't exist, but for the minds of men. They keep using "GOD" and "the Father" rather than the "One Infinite Creator". They speak much of love, but little of wisdom. They refer to the coming "cataclysm". They speak of the Father knowing what is "right" and "wrong" and what people "should" do. They speak of surrounding oneself with light from the outside, yet do not mention the inner light shining from within. And so on.

This is what I am attempting to get at by suggesting that the Ra contact was an intervention. Hatonn, gotta love 'em, doesn't seem to have much understanding of the dark path, even to the point where at times they seem to deny that it truly exists. They certainly don't understand that the "light" STO and "dark" STS paths are equally valid under the Law of One.

So given the context of a Disclosure-type event, it concerns me that Hatonn, or others of the same vibratory level, would fail to mention to humanity that there are actually two paths available and that there is nothing "wrong" about the dark path. It is simply another choice.

Third-density is about making the "Choice".... so how can somebody make a choice if they are only offered one option?

[Raman]

That is the crux of the matter...can you really chose with this economic system, for example? It is easy for me to say 'well, you can always kill yourself if you don't like it'...
Is the danger of nuclear war offering choice? 'well, if you try to have your own independent social/economic system I'll blow you up and if necessary the planet' (see Cuban missile crisis, see former Yugoslavia...)

[Oceania]

there are a lot of things in these type channelings that concern me. Ra isn't without contradictions and other stuff. is Hatonn consciously channeled?