Quote:We are, at this time, initiating several, what you would call modes, for sending these messages which we have for your people. One of these programs has to do with your radio communications. We are, at this time, preparing certain communications to be substituted for some of your programming.

Quote:We feel, at this time, that it is of utmost importance to make the information that we have at our disposal available to your people in as many manners, as many vehicles, as possible, for the time of listening and considering grows short. The time of the great changes which long have been spoken of in the cultures and religions and folk stories of your planet, the time is close at hand when this great transformation shall occur.

Quote:In order to do this, there may have to be, in some cases, a certain shocking of the senses, a certain reflecting of consciousness upon itself in manners which previously we would not have considered, this related to our initial message concerning the use of radio transmission of our thoughts as a substitution for the normal programming of certain of your radio transmissions. Such may also be used in the field of your televised pictures over your television stations. From time to time there will appear various images and messages which will have no other explainable source than our transmission.

Quote:We realize that it will be unavoidable in such cases to infringe on the rights of some who will witness these events. We have carefully considered this possibility and are willing to take these actions in the hopes that opening the hearts and the minds and the souls of the few who still are able to seek inwardly, that this action will provide such entities with the opportunities which they so richly deserve.

Quote:The vibration of Hatonn is working in a new pattern, which is not along any particular geographical frontier or area, for at this particular time the problem is, as it were, a kind of metastasized illness and exists in many parts of the Earth’s body. Therefore, the ones of Hatonn have tuned themselves to a certain energy of negativity and are working on the mass consciousness of that particular part of your planet’s entities. These entities include many which are, as this instrument would call them, the movers and the shakers.

Thus, Hatonn has moved [to the] eighth or final or covering layer or dimension of this particular octave, stretched itself until it covers the entire planet and is tuning in and attempting to ameliorate by love that particular vibration which is doing the most harm to your peoples. This is a vibration of thought, not of deed.

Quote:The brothers of Hatonn have spent a great deal of energy working with certain entities and groups of entities, but we have not found this to be in any one case the appropriate action for this particular energy. Thus, the change of, shall we say, strategy attempting to make the best use of those of Hatonn’s special vibration, which is a very, very strong love vibration, and which has had much experience with your Earth’s sphere.

Quote:Recently in meditation a new or special project was referred to concerning advanced communication. The impression I received was that our involvement was somehow necessary for this to be accomplished. Is my understanding of this correct, and, if so, how can we best facilitate the effort?

Quote:Essentially you are correct, however there are two completely different means of effecting such communication. One has already been used and we have not found it satisfactory; that is, impressing those people who are sensitive to our message to arrange for the technology necessary to jam one broadcast and substitute another. This involves money, people, time, and can ultimately be ignored since the means of its being done by mere humans, as you would put it, can be discovered or, at least, surmised. The other way is for people, such as this group contains, to make available with all sincerity, and with as much humor as possible, the information of which they are the surest and with which they are the most comfortable. That is, of course, the information having to do with the basic philosophy and something about our basic reasons for working with your peoples.

Cosmology enters in, but we do not expect people to find cosmology an interesting way of being introduced to our message. Thus, the other way of aiding our ability to use your mass media is to make enough of an impression by your own creative efforts on the mass mind of the society in which you live that enough people desire to know more about not only the existence of our being but what message we might be bringing to you, that we could then, without infringing upon the free will of these peoples, feed small bits of information about love and light through these media. If people are not in the majority greatly desirous of this information, we would be infringing upon free will and we would not wish to do this. We are not, as you would call it, gods; we are your brothers, and what we have to say is only for your consideration, not for you to believe. What you believe must come from within.

Quote:I am Ra. I have not spoken through this instrument before. We had to wait until she was precisely tuned, as we send a narrow band vibration. We greet you in the love and in the light of our infinite Creator.

We have watched your group. We have been called to your group, for you have a need for the diversity of experiences in channeling which go with a more intensive, or as you might call it, advanced approach to the system of studying the pattern of the illusions of your body, your mind, and your spirit, which you call seeking the truth. We hope to offer you a somewhat different slant upon the information which is always and ever the same.

Quote:We have walked your planet. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found that it was not efficacious, however we now feel the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that have been given to the Law of One.

he identity of the vibration Ra is our identity. We as a group, or what you would call a social memory complex, made contact with a race of your planetary kind which you call Egyptians. Others from our density made contact at the same time in South America, and the so-called “lost cities” were their attempts to contribute to the Law of One.

We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any.

When we were no longer able to have appropriate channels through which to enunciate the Law of One, we removed ourselves from the now hypocritical position which we had allowed ourselves to be placed in.

Quote:The changes are very, very trivial. We do not concern ourselves with the conditions which bring about harvest.

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Quote:Thus, Hatonn has moved [to the] eighth or final or covering layer or dimension of this particular octave, stretched itself until it covers the entire planet and is tuning in and attempting to ameliorate by love that particular vibration which is doing the most harm to your peoples. This is a vibration of thought, not of deed.

So Latwii is basically insinuating that Hatonn was on the verge of making a mistake and infringing on the will of the people, and then was suddenly moved to 8D?!

I find that kind of strange. Hasn't an 8D entity already balanced love/wisdom and therefore never contemplate infringement on free will.

(06-02-2010, 10:08 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Interesting stuff. Thanks for digging it up.

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Quote:Thus, Hatonn has moved [to the] eighth or final or covering layer or dimension of this particular octave, stretched itself until it covers the entire planet and is tuning in and attempting to ameliorate by love that particular vibration which is doing the most harm to your peoples. This is a vibration of thought, not of deed.

So Latwii is basically insinuating that Hatonn was on the verge of making a mistake and infringing on the will of the people, and then was suddenly moved to 8D?!

I find that kind of strange. Hasn't an 8D entity already balanced love/wisdom and therefore never contemplate infringement on free will.

Ra said that each density has eight sub-densities. Maybe Latwii meant that Hatonn had moved to the eighth sub-density of third density. I agree with you that a truly eighth-density entity, which will have already rejoined the Creator, would be unlikely to make such an effort.

(01-28-2011, 02:53 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: In the late 1970s there was a broadcast hijack of television whereby a message that seemingly came from a possible 'not of this world' source took place.

http://www.disclose.tv/forum/incredible-itn-interrupted-1977-by-a-real-alien-message-t41646.html

(01-28-2011, 02:53 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: In the late 1970s there was a broadcast hijack of television whereby a message that seemingly came from a possible 'not of this world' source took place.

http://www.disclose.tv/forum/incredible-itn-interrupted-1977-by-a-real-alien-message-t41646.html

(01-28-2011, 02:53 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: In the late 1970s there was a broadcast hijack of television whereby a message that seemingly came from a possible 'not of this world' source took place.

http://www.disclose.tv/forum/incredible-itn-interrupted-1977-by-a-real-alien-message-t41646.html

(02-05-2011, 06:37 PM)Ens Entium Wrote: In the new videos posted showing Don and Carla on "Open Up" Don spoke about this and he said he had determined this to be a transmission of earthly origin. He never said why though. I hope i'm remembering this correctly...

(01-27-2011, 09:43 PM)NegaNova Wrote: It's funny Hatonn was willing to go so drastically into our society's consciousness in order to help, it's like they love us so much that they were willing to do anything to help, even when their actions may have been misguided by Love alone without the sense of Wisdom.

(02-06-2011, 01:21 PM)kycahi Wrote:

(01-27-2011, 09:43 PM)NegaNova Wrote: It's funny Hatonn was willing to go so drastically into our society's consciousness in order to help, it's like they love us so much that they were willing to do anything to help, even when their actions may have been misguided by Love alone without the sense of Wisdom.

Seems classic green level.

(02-06-2011, 01:41 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 01:21 PM)kycahi Wrote:

(01-27-2011, 09:43 PM)NegaNova Wrote: It's funny Hatonn was willing to go so drastically into our society's consciousness in order to help, it's like they love us so much that they were willing to do anything to help, even when their actions may have been misguided by Love alone without the sense of Wisdom.

Seems classic green level.

What's even funnier is how, presumably, 4D is infinitely more wise than 3D.
And, even with millions of years of evolution in consciousness beyond 3D, they would lack sufficient wisdom for what seems like an obvious ethical judgment call. Or perhaps 4D is not capable of (philosophically) more wisdom than 3D, or 3D is capable of more wisdom than 4D.

(02-06-2011, 03:28 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Because the 4D entity is made up of all the lives/experiences it has had, it contains the distillation from those lives, meaning a naive level of wisdom, however...

(02-06-2011, 03:28 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: 4D is so thick of love/bliss/peace (like 3D is so full of being lost), to think comparatively in 3D terms, any decision in 4D would be like making a decision while having an orgasm in 3D. The feelings in 4D just don't lend themselves to rationality as we might expect in 3D.

(02-07-2011, 11:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Hatonn is a Social Memory Complex, composed of millions of 4D entities from different logoi. As we've had a few great philosophers in our time, I'd imagine Hatonn would have thousands more. It would seem that these voices had been 'voted down'. Or perhaps what we know of Hatonn was filtered through the channeler's worldview, complete with the associated biases and desires.

(02-07-2011, 11:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: We know for sure that 4D rationality is based on different principles of mind. 3D analogies to actual 4D psychological processes could be very misleading, don't you think? That said, I'd think almost the opposite from your analogy. That is, there would be more aspects available for consideration in 4D, with less distraction from emotion, and more appreciation for cause/effect. My comment was based on the session's translation and what that could mean philosophically.

(02-06-2011, 01:41 PM)zenmaster Wrote: What's even funnier is how, presumably, 4D is infinitely more wise than 3D.
And, even with millions of years of evolution in consciousness beyond 3D, they would lack sufficient wisdom for what seems like an obvious ethical judgment call. Or perhaps 4D is not capable of (philosophically) more wisdom than 3D, or 3D is capable of more wisdom than 4D.

(02-08-2011, 04:18 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 01:41 PM)zenmaster Wrote: What's even funnier is how, presumably, 4D is infinitely more wise than 3D.
And, even with millions of years of evolution in consciousness beyond 3D, they would lack sufficient wisdom for what seems like an obvious ethical judgment call. Or perhaps 4D is not capable of (philosophically) more wisdom than 3D, or 3D is capable of more wisdom than 4D.

Ra made naive decisions, remember their work in Egypt? I'd imagine similar mistakes can be made by 4D complexes.

(02-06-2011, 01:41 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 01:21 PM)kycahi Wrote:

(01-27-2011, 09:43 PM)NegaNova Wrote: It's funny Hatonn was willing to go so drastically into our society's consciousness in order to help, it's like they love us so much that they were willing to do anything to help, even when their actions may have been misguided by Love alone without the sense of Wisdom.

Seems classic green level.

What's even funnier is how, presumably, 4D is infinitely more wise than 3D.
And, even with millions of years of evolution in consciousness beyond 3D, they would lack sufficient wisdom for what seems like an obvious ethical judgment call. Or perhaps 4D is not capable of (philosophically) more wisdom than 3D, or 3D is capable of more wisdom than 4D.

Quote:7. According to Hatonn, serious consideration is being given to a dramatic display of spacecraft and a simultaneous special bulletin on radio and television stating that the crews have come in peace and will land to assist us in ways that will be enumerated. Discussions are ongoing about the risks of “surprise” vs. the risks of waiting until safety can be absolutely assured for all involved.

(06-20-2011, 08:02 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Based on that, I would say that it sounds like Hatonn is coming from an early 4D time/space. Although possibly there is some negative influence from 5D which is manifesting as impulsiveness and an overwillingness to "fix" things.

(06-20-2011, 08:59 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(06-20-2011, 08:02 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Based on that, I would say that it sounds like Hatonn is coming from an early 4D time/space. Although possibly there is some negative influence from 5D which is manifesting as impulsiveness and an overwillingness to "fix" things.

identifying 5d with negative is incorrect.

5d has positive, and negative polarities.

(01-27-2011, 09:43 PM)NegaNova Wrote: I like the post. I've also found it reallyyy interesting reading up on sessions that lead up to the Ra contact, or even just comparing now-sessions to sessions long ago.
It's funny Hatonn was willing to go so drastically into our society's consciousness in order to help, it's like they love us so much that they were willing to do anything to help, even when their actions may have been misguided by Love alone without the sense of Wisdom. Still though, I appreciate their drive to help. I can only hope to be so loving when we are a social memory complex.

Hatonn Wrote:Even a small percentage of those who dwell upon your planet is a vast number, and this is our mission, to act through groups such as this one in order to disseminate information in such a fashion that it may be accepted or rejected, that it may be in a state lacking what the people of your planet choose to call proof.

We offer them no concrete proof, as they have a way of expressing it. We offer them Truth. This is an important function of our mission—to offer Truth without proof. In this way, the motivation will, in each and every case, come from within the individual. In this way, the individual vibratory rate will be increased. An offering of proof or an impressing of this Truth upon an individual in such a way that he would be forced to accept it would have no usable effect upon his vibratory rate. This, then, my friends, is the mystery of our way of approaching your peoples.

Hatonn Wrote:He [Man on Earth] has become hypnotized by his playthings and his ideas. He is but a child in his mind.

Hatonn Wrote:These very words, my friends, have been spoken to you before, and yet you cling to that physical body and those physical surroundings as though your spirit were attached quite permanently to them.

(06-21-2011, 03:16 AM)Oceania Wrote: well i really don't want us to be as unwise. it freaks me out these higher beings can be so naive. why can't we do wisdom and love all at once? it's like we're supposed to go through somekinda stupid phase. that lasts MILLIONS OF YEARS. and then what do we get for it? well hopefully by the end we haven't gone on international tv on some 3D planet and given the elderly there a heart attack thus causing us to spend more time in stupid phase to alleviate the karma and all this bullcrap. i'm starting to question the whole structure of the creation.:@

(06-21-2011, 01:22 PM)Ankh Wrote: Hello brother,

All the quotes that I provided are from the Introduction in the Book I of the Ra material:

http://www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_book_1.pdf

By the way, how did you come up with the interpretation that it was an intervention by Ra, and not something that Hatonn themselves found/came to conclusion to, after a while?

Hatonn Wrote:There is going to be a Harvest, as you might call it, a harvest of souls that will shortly occur upon your planet. We are attempting to extract the greatest possible harvest from this planet. This is our mission, for we are the Harvesters.

Quote:Those above this level are of course not of as great an interest to us since they have, you might say, already made the grade.

Ra Wrote:Thus, the entry into the vibration of love, sometimes called by your people the vibration of understanding, is not effective with your present societal complex. Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the third-density cycle. The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest. However, there are few to harvest.

Quote:There are several reasons for incarnation during harvest. They may be divided by the terms self and other-self.

The overriding reason for the offering of these Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow in incarnative states is the possibility of aiding other-selves by the lightening of the planetary consciousness distortions and the probability of offering catalyst to other-selves which will increase the harvest.

There are two other reasons for choosing this service which have to do with the self.

The Wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst.

The final reason is within the mind/body/spirit totality or the social memory complex totality which may judge that an entity or members of a societal entity can make use of third-density catalyst to recapitulate a learning/teaching which is adjudged to be less than perfect. This especially applies to those entering into and proceeding through sixth-density wherein the balance between compassion and wisdom is perfected.