2007.02.11 World Events, Failed STS Coup, Rejoining Time-Lateral

[unity100]

The receiving entities of the negative theosophical advances had used their own free will to accept these views.

receiving entities of the negative theosophical advances in the initial stage, had no idea whether they were receiving negative influxes from negative alien entities. there was no free will involved.

They were not forced upon them.

they actually were. ancient middle east history is submit or die, reverting to 'convert or die' from the advent of the major religions. convert or die business was in force until 16-18th century, not only in middle east, north africa, persia and environs, but also even in europe for the most part.

There are actually almost 7 billion people on the planet.

in case you have missed, 2 to 3 billion number refers to the population directly or indirectly affected by the negative philosophies orion crusaders dropped.

The point is that the free will of the receiving entities is guarded; meaning a fleet of negative crafts can't land and enslave the entire planet. I'm thankful it's in place.

there is nothing related to free will in the actions of a negative crusader. when they pass a quarantine, they seek to enslave, taking into account the free will of the entities they are contacting, just because it is mandated as such in regard to 3d dynamics. however, apparently, posing as gods or gods' messengers, and lying to the 3d entities which have little means to divine the truth, and making them submit to your authority by their own free will, apparently is allowed, under the grounds of 'free will'.

an 3d entity has no obligation, responsibility, or means to be able to tell elaborate spiritual truth from lie, and discern negative communique from positive. that goes beyond 3d properties, capabilities, and meaning. it is more a learning/responsibility of 5d, than 3d, or 4d. its related to blue ray.

and in the scenario we have, positive entities were contacted, upon negative entities' whim and choosing, negative teachings were given in positive form, and through this both positive and negative were hampered. not to mention that the representation of negative acts as being for the good of the people have perpetrated a lot of negativity, violence, wars, and repression, but, without the meaningful negative polarity it would bring to its perpetrators, because they thought they were doing it for good.

actually we may need to correct this analysis at this point ; the allowance of that orion crusader outfit has been harmful and free-will infringing not only for the positively oriented entities, but for negatively oriented entities too, because the society forced them to mold their negative inclinations into a positive pattern or intent, reducing their polarization.

[LsavedSmeD]

Very nice Unity, and may our perspectives contrasting teach more of the ideals that we perceive.

However, if there were not a quarantine in place than the free will would be even more heavily infringed upon; so, I still vote for this quarantine to be in place as I do not believe the 'war of the worlds' scenario is an event I wish to experience.

Peace brother!

Here is the reasoning as in-depth as I could find it -

uestioner: I would like to ask, considering the free will distortion of the Law of One, how can the Guardians quarantine the Earth? Is this quarantine within free will?
Ra: I am Ra. The Guardians guard the free will distortion of the mind/body/spirit complexes of third density on this planetary sphere. The events which required activation of quarantine were interfering with the free will distortion of mind/body/spirit complexes.

Questioner: I may be wrong, but it seems to me that it would be the free will of, say the Orion group, to interfere. How is this balanced with the information which you just gave?
Ra: I am Ra. The balancing is from dimension to dimension. The attempts of the so-called Crusaders to interfere with free will are acceptable upon the dimension of their understanding. However, the mind/body/spirit complexes of this dimension you call third form a dimension of free will which is not able to, shall we say, recognize in full, the distortions towards manipulation. Thus, in order to balance the dimensional variances in vibration, a quarantine, this being a balancing situation whereby the free will of the Orion group is not stopped but given a challenge. Meanwhile, the third group is not hindered from free choice.

Questioner: Could these “windows” that occur to let the Orion group come through once in a while have anything to do with this free will balancing?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: Could you tell me how that works?
Ra: I am Ra. The closest analogy would be a random number generator within certain limits.

Questioner: What is the source of this random number generator? Is it created by the Guardians to balance their guarding? Or is it a source other than the Guardians?
Ra: I am Ra. All sources are one. However, we understand your query. The window phenomenon is an other-self phenomenon from the Guardians. It operates from the dimensions beyond space/time in what you may call the area of intelligent energy. Like your cycles, such balancing, such rhythms are as a clock striking. In the case of the windows, no entities have the clock. Therefore, it seems random. It is not random in the dimension which produces this balance. That is why we stated the analogy was within certain limits.

Questioner: Then this window balancing prevents the Guardians from reducing their positive polarization by totally eliminating the Orion contact through shielding. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In effect, the balancing allows an equal amount of positive and negative influx, this balanced by the mind/body/spirit distortions of the social complex. Thus in your particular planetary sphere, less negative, as you would call it, information or stimulus is necessary than positive due to the somewhat negative orientation of your social complex distortion.

Questioner: In this way, total free will is balanced so that individuals may have an equal opportunity to choose service to others or service to self. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: So at the start of this 75,000 year cycle we know that the quarantine was fully set up. I am assuming then that the Guardians were aware of the infringements on the free will that would occur if they didn’t set this up at that time and therefore did it. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially incorrect. The incorrectness is as follows: those entities whose third-density experience upon your Red Planet was brought to a close prematurely were aided genetically while being transferred to this third density. This, although done in a desire to aid, was seen as infringement upon free will. The light quarantine which consists of the Guardians, or gardeners as you may call them, which would have been in effect was intensified.

Questioner: Since it was not perceived it was not necessary to balance this. Is that correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. What is necessary to balance is opportunity. When there is ignorance, there is no opportunity. When there exists a potential, then each opportunity shall be balanced, this balancing caused by not only the positive and negative orientations of those offering aid but also the orientation of those requesting aid.

[unity100]

Very nice Unity, and may our perspectives contrasting teach more of the ideals that we perceive.

However, if there were not a quarantine in place than the free will would be even more heavily infringed upon; so, I still vote for this quarantine to be in place as I do not believe the 'war of the worlds' scenario is an event I wish to experience.

Peace brother!

Here is the reasoning as in-depth as I could find it -

now, here is the gist of this matter :

one should never forget that as you go higher up in densities, characters, biases, wisdom etc does not get magically and instantly equalized. when a societal complex comes into 5d, or 6d, they dont instantly become divine. they maintain their character and development up to that point. else, ra wouldnt have any 'mistakes' and would have to reincarnate, or attend earth to remedy the aftereffects of their mistakes. it is probable, actually almost certain that such differences, characters, biases are carried well into 7d and on, for, the purpose of creation is to discover different aspects of existence, different aspects of the creator (aka infinite intelligence) in the first place. each entity returning to infinity, discovers another unique face of existence in their own entity.

therefore, any entity (societal complex, or however entities manifest in 7d) carry all the characteristics their evolution have given them. they may have evolved in a water planet, they may have traveled the next densities in a certain manner, they may have met various issues in their evolution and overcome them in their unique or non unique way. but in the end, they have character difference.

so, one shouldnt think that higher densities, entities acting for various tasks in existence are free of mistakes.

remember yahweh.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_...ic_order=0

notice how many mistakes yahweh has made.

now remember the guardians of mars (or maybe earth) at that time, wanting to transport the martian souls from mars to earth, from this quo session :

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0321.aspx

(this session was just linked recently in the failure of logos's plan thread remember)

if we combine these two sessions, it comes out that yahweh are the entities making the genetic modification and all the transportation of martian souls to earth. moreover, they apparently did more, as can be seen from the Ra search above.

notice they were named as guardians of a planet. it may be mars, it may be earth. the thing is, they were the guardians of a planet.

as far as i know, there are no specific differentiation in between guardians have been made, in Ra material. so, it is highly likely that guardian of a planet is also the guardian that implements a quarantine. it may or may not be, however, in either case, guardian of a planet is a very noticeable designation. and, in the current situation, it shows that the guardians, [u]can[/i] make mistakes.

notice what is the last thing yahweh done to fix their mistake :

Questioner: Thank you. Then I assume that the Confederation stayed away from Earth for a period of time. What condition created the next contact that the Confederation made?

Ra: I am Ra. In approximately 3,600 of your years in the past, as you measure time, there was an influx of those of the Orion group, as you call them. Due to the increasing negative influences upon thinking and acting distortions, they were able to begin working with those whose impression from olden times, as you may say, was that they were special and different.

An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu. Here the Orion group found fertile soil in which to plant the seeds of negativity, these seeds, as always, being those of the elite, the different, those who manipulate or enslave others.

The one known as Yahweh felt a great responsibility to these entities. However, the Orion group had been able to impress upon the peoples the name Yahweh as the one responsible for this elitism. Yahweh then was able to take what you would call stock of its vibratory patterns and became, in effect, a more eloquently effective sound vibration complex.

In this complex the old Yahweh, now unnamed, but meaning “He comes,” began to send positively oriented philosophy. This was approximately, in your past, of 3,300 years. Thus, the intense portion of what has become known as Armageddon was joined.

in their attempt to fix the mistake they have done, this time they have done another, by propagating the idea/thought of an armageddon, even if they were not intending to do so. reinforced by the negative thought patterns, religions orions have seeded.

notice how many people are affected by this even today.

because it is not only in legends and religions and prophecies, but also in a noticeable amount of new age literature, it is also highly possible that some governing elite of this planet, or governmental structures are also accounting for the possibility, and taking measures in secret to ensure the continuance of the system, or a total breakdown of the system, in the case of an armageddon as such. and maybe, going to extremes sometimes, or wanting to go to extremes. some of these, actually probably everyone is familiar through the conspiracy theories that are in abundance on the net.

i dont know under which circumstances yahweh evolved, but, however, they seem to have a very badly repeating pattern.

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thus, there is no saying that 'guardians of free will' cannot make mistakes, or cannot fail.

there is no saying that council of saturn is free of mistakes.

there is even no saying that even higher entities and principles are free of mistakes.

even, the very idea that, lie or lies can constitute a ground in which a higher negative entity, or any entity from its own density, can herd a 3d entity without violating free will, is faulty in itself.

polarization should happen in conjunction with spiritual inclination and preference. nothing else. not by clogging of entities minds from their subconscious, therefore cutting them off from their own spiritual inclinations, and then introducing false information depicting negative as positive, creating a non format, and then waiting for entities to polarize.

remembrance of only a mere 250 graduates among billions of entities in 2nd cycle, and what Ra said about how the harvest even in this cycle going to be small, despite all the efforts of the teachers or wanderers (65+ plus wanderers, most of which from Ra to boot, a huge number if we consider - if im not mistaken - ra had mentioned their population was somewhere around 60 million), shows us that, all the attempts and methods employed here, have miserably failed.

now, at the end of this cycle, there are going to be probably approx 6 billion souls, needing another 3rd density planet to engage in 3rd density .... a huge number. that is, even if we assume that the harvest is going to be a few hundred million ... hopefully.

[LsavedSmeD]

Very good point; however, what are you trying to assume we get rid of?

The veil?

OR

The Quarantine?

I think the Quarantine should be in place if the veil is in place, but if the veil is not place or is dampened quite a bit the the Quarantine should be lifted.

[airwaves]

shows us that, all the attempts and methods employed here, have miserably failed.

Calm yourself my friend.

If their teachings or direct help through wandering help even one entity down the soul stream of being, it can be considered a success.

All is well, and it shall indeed end well. Whenever that may be.

L/L

[unity100]

Very good point; however, what are you trying to assume we get rid of?

The veil?

OR

The Quarantine?

I think the Quarantine should be in place if the veil is in place, but if the veil is not place or is dampened quite a bit the the Quarantine should be lifted.

veil should go away. hampering natural flow of creation, is, unwise at best.

with veil gone, there will be no need for quarantines, for there will not be a negative polarity.

with the wisdom we already collectively garnered from this octave as a universe, we already know how to approach many things in a very balanced fashion, and, also, we are probably much more able to discern the preference of individual entities in regard to the influxes. i think with the current level we achieved in regard to researching individualization, separation, practice of spirituality in hard and tough conditions, and the minimum standards for evolution and life we have discovered, we can possibly arrange quite elaborate distribution schemes of entities to planets and locales according to their preferences. which would make them evolve and progress in the manner of their choosing, and also therefore account for their free will.

actually this is what i suspect the universe or, the galaxy is heading towards.

shows us that, all the attempts and methods employed here, have miserably failed.

Calm yourself dear

If their teachings or direct help through wandering help even one entity down the soul stream of being, it can be considered a success.

All is well, and it shall indeed end well. Whenever that may be.

L/L

ok then, lets destroy earth. and maybe entire universe too. this can possibly teach at least one mars/maldek straggler not to destroy the planet s/he is living in.

and because all is well, and it shall indeed end well, whenever that may be, there will be nothing lost. and because we will have helped even one entity down the soul stream of being, it can be considered a success.

[LsavedSmeD]

Very good point; however, what are you trying to assume we get rid of?

The veil?

OR

The Quarantine?

I think the Quarantine should be in place if the veil is in place, but if the veil is not place or is dampened quite a bit the the Quarantine should be lifted.

veil should go away. hampering natural flow of creation, is, unwise at best.

with veil gone, there will be no need for quarantines, for there will not be a negative polarity.

with the wisdom we already collectively garnered from this octave as a universe, we already know how to approach many things in a very balanced fashion, and, also, we are probably much more able to discern the preference of individual entities in regard to the influxes. i think with the current level we achieved in regard to researching individualization, separation, practice of spirituality in hard and tough conditions, and the minimum standards for evolution and life we have discovered, we can possibly arrange quite elaborate distribution schemes of entities to planets and locales according to their preferences. which would make them evolve and progress in the manner of their choosing, and also therefore account for their free will.

actually this is what i suspect the universe or, the galaxy is heading towards.

shows us that, all the attempts and methods employed here, have miserably failed.

Calm yourself dear

If their teachings or direct help through wandering help even one entity down the soul stream of being, it can be considered a success.

All is well, and it shall indeed end well. Whenever that may be.

L/L

ok then, lets destroy earth. and maybe entire universe too. this can possibly teach at least one mars/maldek straggler not to destroy the planet s/he is living in.

and because all is well, and it shall indeed end well, whenever that may be, there will be nothing lost. and because we will have helped even one entity down the soul stream of being, it can be considered a success.

And even if the entire Illusive universe created from light is destroyed, everything will still be alright.


How can you say our logos failed? Look at the sheer beauty of everything - the trees, the birds, those precious experiences filled with unspeakable joy and love. How can this be a failure? Is not the point to learn about love?

I think it's a success. And if the veil is so powerful than would not the entities who graduate be much more intelligible than those of other logoi's creations with less of a veil?

[unity100]

And even if the entire Illusive universe created from light is destroyed, everything will still be alright.

ok then, if whatever happens, everything is going to be alright, then lets stop loving too. after all, everything is still going to be alright.

while we are at it, we can drop all morals or behavioral patterns too. because, whatever happens, everything is going to be alright.

lets just stop existing altogether ? why the hassle ? because even if we never manifest, there is nothing, everything is still going to be alright. there is no difference in between there being a creation, or not isnt it ?

How can you say our logos failed? Look at the sheer beauty of everything - the trees, the birds, those precious experiences filled with unspeakable joy and love. How can this be a failure? Is not the point to learn about love?

because, there is wisdom after love, and there is balance after wisdom, and there is infinity after balance.

and on another sidenote, what would happen to all those beautiful trees, birds, those precious experiences filled with unspeakable joy and love, if the planet was destroyed in a nuclear war like maldek ? or, rendered inhospitable after a war of the likes in mars ? what would happen to those experiences ?

I think it's a success. And if the veil is so powerful than would not the entities who graduate be much more intelligible than those of other logoi's creations with less of a veil?

firstly, if there are negligible number of graduates, its a failure in itself. because the higher the number of graduates from a certain experience nexus, the more powerful their synergy in the direction of their experiences is. if their numbers are very negligible, they may not be able to maintain their particular experiential color, their variance as graduates of that nexus, and instead melt with other, and more numbered planetary influences, and therefore lose their variety. the variance of their experiences and their character would only have token impact and influence on existence. that would mean that a variant of experience of infinity would be lost, and it is a bad thing.

second, an overemphasis introduced at any given density or aspect, is an imbalance that needs to be balanced in other densities, or with other aspects. depending on the general cases that were spoken about in scattered q/as in Ra material, i would venture to say that this logos' graduates from heavy veil will probably have issues and will have to spend a long time in 4d, learning the lessons of love. or, because they will repeat the density of 3d over and over, when they graduate, they may have a very fast 4d experience, and then have to spend more time in 5d to balance it. i didnt dwell on the possibilities of this, so these are my guesses at this moment. however, one thing is certain ; any imbalance needs to be balanced.

[Biu_Tze]

Dear unity,

We all have the choice to move in whichever direction we choose. Just because everything is alright, and is going to be alright, that doesn't mean you should no longer follow your heart and intuition, and I highly doubt anybody meant that. It's good to have concern for what is going to happen, to care about such things, especially if you feel so inclined to do so, which you do seem to be. You seem a little too tense on the subject though, forgive my forwardness, but perhaps taking a step back, and evaluating some of these issues or differences of opinion may be of some use to all of us.
L/L

[unity100]

i posed rhetorical questions to the apparent contradictions people were proposing. the contradiction still stands :

if everything is going to be alright still, then lets destroy this planet.

it doesnt matter what 'intuition' or 'heart' says at this point - because 'everything will still be alright', there is no difference in doing what your heart says, or your intuition says. because, well, in the end, everything is going to be alright ? whats the difference in between following intuition or not, if everything is going to be alright in the end, and that is what matters ?

[Biu_Tze]

I disagree unity, just because everything is going to be okay, doesn't mean we should allow ourselves to be moved off of our path/s. Whatever we decide we want to do, than that is the direction in which we polarize, so just because you know ultimately in the end all will be as it will, that doesn't mean you should contradict your heart, unless of course that is the choice YOU WANT to make. In which case, it was never an issue, because of course, your are just following your path.
Knowing everything is going to be okay is not an excuse, it's a comfort for those of us who care SO SO SO SO SO DEEEEEPLY about all of these things, that it can cause us much suffering, again, that is where we're supposed to be, but having like-minded people offer comforting thoughts can be a nice respite.
hopefully this cleared up a bit of the confusion, if not, please feel free to say so, and we shall carry on as necessary.

[unity100]

now, if we should not allow ourselves to be moved off of our paths, then it means that 'everything is not okay' because 'everything is just going to be okay'. there are things we should do, and there are things we shouldnt do.

that was what i was saying.

[Biu_Tze]

The thing is though, I'm not sure it's possible to move off of our paths.. simply because they are ours, whatever we may choose, will continue to be our path, no matter what it is. And in the end we will make our way home so I believe.
Perhaps we will take a few million years or so, detouring things of a nature that may not be the best but if we're the creator choosing to experience existence in as many varied ways as possible, I'm sure it's pretty hard to move off the right track, regardless of being sts or sto.

[unity100]

that, still makes it so that 'everything is not okay' because 'everything will be okay in the end'.

[Biu_Tze]

no.. everything is okay, because everything will be okay in the end.
Theres no choice you can make that wont lead you down a path, where eventually your going to go to where you want to be, maybe you will be unhappy where you go for awhile, let's make up a gruesome horrific example:
You choose to completely shift to being STS, you go on a murdering spree, or something just as horrible. Maybe in your heart, that's not who you want to be, but you felt so much rage or what have you, that you did it anyways.
Now let's pretend that by doing what you did, you than get to move into 4d negative. Here you struggle and suffer for a long time, possibly, perhaps you figure out that you don't really want to be in 4d negative, in this case, I would assume one would have to fight tooth and nail to get out of that situation, so that one can be free to either return to 3d, or 4d positive, I feel like a process like that would be very dark, but as dark as it got, it would than be that much more beautiful when you got to where your heart wanted to truly be. The contrast of going from hell to heaven seems like it would be amazing. Either way, you'd make it to the end of the process eventually, and that is where both sides join.
If you have more darkness in your heart, than not, and than decide to polarize negatively, Your free to choose that, and you will progress in that direction, (I'm talking in a general sense, not you personally) I don't really see that as an issue. That's not what I'm about, not what I want for me, but I have to love everyone enough to let them make their own choices, I feel like the negative influences in my life, have helped me redefine myself more and more to not be similar. Perhaps as much as the positive influences.

[unity100]

ok then. if everything is okay, because everything will be okay in the end, let me build up a device to blast this planet off and turn it to spacedust. if i choose it that way, it is okay, because everything is still going to be 'okay' in the end ...

[Biu_Tze]

Sounds like quite a task, not sure why somebody would want to do that, well actually, I guess I could conceive a few ideas.. I hope you don't succeed! but good luck either way

[βαθμιαίος]

Sounds like quite a task

LOL! That was my thought, too. Sounds like a lot of work just to prove a point.

[Aaron]

The question is, Unity, in doing that action, are you acting in line with your higher self or your smaller self? i understand you're just trying to prove a point, but I'm talking hypothetically as well.

No matter what happens, everything HAS to "be ok" in the larger sense of things, because there is only ONE universe (the word universe falls short of the concept I want to convey there) for things to be in. There is only ONE infinity and some of the distortions of it, in the smaller sense of things, are a sense of "not going to be ok" or "wrong action being taken".

So, to summarize, big picture = all ok, also known as unity or balance. Small picture = either ok or not ok, also known as duality. From our small perspective, there is certainly the possibility that things can go horribly "wrong". i.e. massive loss of life such as destruction of a planet, or lengthy enslavement of entities such as we're familiar with. In duality, we can label these things as good or bad. In unity, we don't label them because that way of thinking only exists in duality.

If you blast this planet off and turn it into spacedust, massive loss of life would occur. Bad, right? On another level, it's just information that was once structured in one place being scattered to re-structure itself over amounts of time that we can't fathom. On another level, it's just potential being re-distributed.

Does that get to the heart of what you're proposing?

[Biu_Tze]

Thank you Aaron, for phrasing that general idea in a way a bit more eloquent than I myself did.

[unity100]

Sounds like quite a task, not sure why somebody would want to do that, well actually, I guess I could conceive a few ideas.. I hope you don't succeed! but good luck either way

LOL! That was my thought, too. Sounds like a lot of work just to prove a point.

quite a task ? not so very much, thanks to increasing vibratory levels of 4d. if you have forgotten, atlanteans have succeeded in causing cataclysms with that kind of technology.

actually, it could easily be done even now, all that is needed is to detonate various nuclear devices in various critical parts of the world ecosystem.

why somebody would want to do that ? does it matter ? you wouldnt, he wouldnt, she wouldnt they wouldnt, somebody would.

maldekians did it, martians did it, atlanteans did it, earth is tethering on the brink of it.

reason doesnt matter. the point which, you are apparently avoiding, is clear ; there are things that should not be done. it doesnt matter whether 'everything is going to be `okay` in the end.

you have yourself clearly expressed it by saying things about how one should be in line with his/her higher self or whatever. if there is a SHOULD, that means there are SHOULD NOTs too.

however, then you have gone to the opposite end of spectrum and again said that 'everything is ok because everything will be ok in the end'.

there are 2 possibilities for this. everything is either ok, or not. it cant be that everything is ok, but, still, there are things that we 'should not'.

The question is, Unity, in doing that action, are you acting in line with your higher self or your smaller self? i understand you're just trying to prove a point, but I'm talking hypothetically as well.

No matter what happens, everything HAS to "be ok" in the larger sense of things, because there is only ONE universe (the word universe falls short of the concept I want to convey there) for things to be in. There is only ONE infinity and some of the distortions of it, in the smaller sense of things, are a sense of "not going to be ok" or "wrong action being taken".

So, to summarize, big picture = all ok, also known as unity or balance. Small picture = either ok or not ok, also known as duality. From our small perspective, there is certainly the possibility that things can go horribly "wrong". i.e. massive loss of life such as destruction of a planet, or lengthy enslavement of entities such as we're familiar with. In duality, we can label these things as good or bad. In unity, we don't label them because that way of thinking only exists in duality.

If you blast this planet off and turn it into spacedust, massive loss of life would occur. Bad, right? On another level, it's just information that was once structured in one place being scattered to re-structure itself over amounts of time that we can't fathom. On another level, it's just potential being re-distributed.

Does that get to the heart of what you're proposing?

it doesnt get into the heart of what im proposing. everything is either ok, or not ok.

if you say 'higher self etcetc', than that means everything is not ok, because there is the 'higher self' etc etc.

if, everything is 'ok', it doesnt matter what someone does, and that includes going against one's higher self or etc.

[Aaron]

it doesnt get into the heart of what im proposing. everything is either ok, or not ok.

if you say 'higher self etcetc', than that means everything is not ok, because there is the 'higher self' etc etc.

if, everything is 'ok', it doesnt matter what someone does, and that includes going against one's higher self or etc.

Why do you insist that everything is either ok, or not ok? Do you understand what I wrote about humanity currently being in a state of duality? I believe there are more possible viewpoints than the one we hold now with human minds. If you don't believe so, or don't allow that into the discussion, then there's no point in continuing, because we've reached the end of that train of thought.

Is it possible that everything is both ok and not ok in the big picture? Why must it be one way or the other, and if it is one way or the other, what would it prove? Also, what does it have to do with the thread's original topic? (I'll re-read the session and first few posts after I post this, but if you could also answer this question, that would lead to increased clarity, I think.) Maybe you can also state what exactly you are trying to prove, or what point you're defending in the whole "ok or not ok" argument.

I'm trying to better understand where you're coming from so that I can get to the heart of the matter.

[unity100]

i dont 'insist' on everything is either ok, or not ok. there is a viewpoint that says 'everything is ok because everything is gonna be ok in the end'. you can see it in this page and preceding pages of this thread.

but, upon querying, it turns out that there are apparently things that are not 'ok' to do, for some reason. yet, that perspective holders still insist on everything being 'ok'.

now, at this point, there is either a case, or another case.

if one says 'everything is ok' but objects to a group of people destroying an entire planet, or doing something else, it means that, everything was not 'ok', at that given point.

and, if there are things that shouldnt be done, then it means that 'everything is not ok'.

this is not something that has any kind of middle road. there are either 'should not's, or there are not. its not about the degree of the 'should not'. a 'should not' may be not destroying a planet, or it may be not eating too much.

its not about the weight/importance of what should not be done. its about whether there are things that shouldnt be done or not.

[3D Sunset]

i dont 'insist' on everything is either ok, or not ok. there is a viewpoint that says 'everything is ok because everything is gonna be ok in the end'. you can see it in this page and preceding pages of this thread.

but, upon querying, it turns out that there are apparently things that are not 'ok' to do, for some reason. yet, that perspective holders still insist on everything being 'ok'.

now, at this point, there is either a case, or another case.

if one says 'everything is ok' but objects to a group of people destroying an entire planet, or doing something else, it means that, everything was not 'ok', at that given point.

and, if there are things that shouldnt be done, then it means that 'everything is not ok'.

this is not something that has any kind of middle road. there are either 'should not's, or there are not. its not about the degree of the 'should not'. a 'should not' may be not destroying a planet, or it may be not eating too much.

its not about the weight/importance of what should not be done. its about whether there are things that shouldnt be done or not.

I agree with you, and would interject my understanding that everything is okay, and there really is nothing that "should not be done".

Consider Mars and Maldek. Both planets were rendered uninhabitable by their 3D inhabitants. But still, they were given another chance to advance and evolve and even potentially destroy another beautiful planetary Logos. Everything will work out fine in the end, but that is not to say that everything will be rosy along the way if we follow that path.

One thing I've always found interesting is just how minimal (cosmically) are the repercussions for destroying an entire planet (talk about infringing upon free will)! The price ultimately paid by those of Maldek for their actions was about 700,000 years in a knot of fear, followed by a few hundred thousand years as 2D beings performing karmic restitution. Wow, is this Logos lenient or what! After that, the entities were ready to join another major cycle of 3D, and hopefully graduate less than a million years behind their class. Not a bad deal, I'd say.

Now, that is not to say that I'd like to this planet to be rendered uninhabitable. I just know that if it were, it would be due to one or more free will decisions made by me, or extensions of me that we call "other people on the planet". Would it spoil the cosmic vacation I have planned when I leave this density at the Harvest? Sure, but it would only delay it. In the end, I'll still find my way to that little fishing hole in the gamma quadrant, and I will ultimately still rejoin with the One Infinite Creator. I will just bring a few more colorful experiences to recall with him for the rest of eternity.

Love and Light,

3D Sunset

[βαθμιαίος]

"There are no mistakes, but there are surprises."

[unity100]

I agree with you, and would interject my understanding that everything is okay, and there really is nothing that "should not be done".

Consider Mars and Maldek. Both planets were rendered uninhabitable by their 3D inhabitants. But still, they were given another chance to advance and evolve and even potentially destroy another beautiful planetary Logos. Everything will work out fine in the end, but that is not to say that everything will be rosy along the way if we follow that path.

they were given another chance to advance and evolve, yet, they were not allowed to destroy another planet. see below :

One thing I've always found interesting is just how minimal (cosmically) are the repercussions for destroying an entire planet (talk about infringing upon free will)! The price ultimately paid by those of Maldek for their actions was about 700,000 years in a knot of fear, followed by a few hundred thousand years as 2D beings performing karmic restitution. Wow, is this Logos lenient or what! After that, the entities were ready to join another major cycle of 3D, and hopefully graduate less than a million years behind their class. Not a bad deal, I'd say.

after maldek and mars incidents, there were apparently other incidents on this planet, there is a sinking of mu, the reasons werent given to us by Ra. and there is the issue of atlantis. these people have upsetted the axis of this planet, and probably would destroy it. we dont know how mu sank, it is possible that it was another similar result.

then, a quarantine was put on this planet. much more stringent than anything before.

not to mention that, for some reason, all the escapees of atlantis have lost the technology they had. from 9900 BC or so. just 1200 years ago or so, they were able to fly and fight in crafts that could go underwater and on water and crafts that also could fly, they could create life forms, make use of various advanced energies, and many many more.

what happened ? there is no reason for atlanteans to lose the information they had from before. the use of crystals, pyramids, vehicles, and all that.

what happened and where did that information all go ?

from this point on, the earth's technology and knowledge took a nose dive.

how conveniently, all the traces of atlantis civilization, got erased ? somehow, all the critical stuff that was in the continent, like pyramids and traces, have sunk into water. including the pyramid under the bermuda triangle. allright. happens.

what happened to those who escaped atlantis, and settled in various other parts ? did they lose their memory, so that they didnt carry the technological information that they had before, despite having escaped to the places they escaped in crafts that can travel tens of thousands of miles ?

the technology they had was not of the complex, delicate nature we have today, ie fragile - so much that, if something in the chain was lost, entire technology would fall apart. they were using crystals, pyramids, and natural energies present on the planet. one should remember that it is possible to reproduce an effect of a pyramid by just constructing a makeshift structure from 4 sticks, provided that they are in the correct proportions and alignment. it is so easy. yet, that technology is lost. a technology which was at the extent of creating lifeforms.

where did all that technological information go ..



then, the civilization sank to very basic conditions. it remained there for a VERY long while. a VERY very long while, almost in similar levels with minor changes to the basic standards, save a few concepts, iron replacing bronze, and social organization getting more complicated. even the very organized, long lasting and technologically apt and willing roman empire got only so far.

then, suddenly, a great era of technological development starts, which we know to be doing of a wave of wanderers, who incarnated to liberate the planetary entities from toiling all day, so that they can actually have the time to think about things other than surviving. we know many of the names of these people, ranging from benjamin franklin to tesla.

the current technological level we have, we have acquired through these entities and their effort. yet, in case you noticed, the technology brought this time was carefully limited. noone could get into a craft and raze half a continent, or do phenomenal things alone or in a group of few. leave aside being able to create lifeforms.

the only exception here is the nuclear weapons, which can destroy
entire planet, BUT, totally offset by the flying craft that the overeagerness of tesla have allowed the governments to create.

now, this is a pivotal point ; nuclear weapons are here, yet, they are rendered totally pointless by craft that can move half the speed of light and can use beam weapons to fry anything - the united states had these, and now this part is very important ; a confederation source gave these craft to ussr to 'bring about peace'. meaning that, both sides would have these craft, and therefore negate each other totally. and a state of balance that prevents mutually assured destruction ensues.

this is a major, serious intervention and balancing. normally, as per the course of development by 'free will', usa should be allowed to have these weapons and nuclear weapons, and shortly dominate entire planet. it is also very probable that very negative sources would get ahold of us government then, because the domination would be total. or, the negative influences working from outside would cause the negative sources in that society division to act even more, effecting such a result. there were already quite negative natured entities within that government division that we are told, anyway.

but, this technology was given to the opposing party. GIVEN is important, it implies that, it wasnt a wanderer incarnation bringing that about. it means, it was given through other means, either by telepathy, or inspiration, or even directly through other means. that latter part would explain why soviets were frantically producing movies that depicted encounters with benign, exploring aliens and friendly exchanges.



and, add on top of that, we know that there have been a battle of light and dark going on in this planet's skies for a long time. in 5d, 4d, real battles, the latter kinds, we know what sort of battle ; they are battles we know, in which people use weapons against each other to kill, even if they are beam weapons. and we know of ufo chases, sightings, crashes and a lot of other odd phenomenon. leaving aside the revelations of aliens being spotted monitoring nuclear silos, and even deactivating them - a few of which were posted in this forum.



AND then we now have the huge wanderer wave of late times. 60 million+ incarnated circa 1980, and this was a 'new phenomenon' by then, meaning that the trend probably was on the increasing side.

at this point one should remember the hippie wave of 60s, which was a phenomenally, abruptly different generation than any of its predecessors. and, all the technologies that came to this planet, in those days and after. actually, a lot of the inventors of what we are using today in internet and computing world, are former hippies. leave aside their very distinct, sharp, stressed message for peace. at a fairly critical time in cold war, on this planet.

and came a lot of channelings, philosophies, openly declared effort by disincarnate sources and confederation and heaven knows how many different sources to aid in this harvest and get it complete. a stated aim of all these wanderers, are to 'lighten the planetary vibrations' at the time of the harvest, so that the passage will be smoother. this includes the earthquakes etc we are experiencing due to the friction in between societal vibrations and planet's green ray core vibrations - you know the ones that come up as a result of the 'unusable heat' that occurs, as Ra tells us.

and on top of this, backtracking to another subject, we have ALL this effort to increase the numbers of this harvest too, leave aside the effort above to prevent an abrupt end to planetary experience. 'all our teachers' efforts', ra says ...

AND moreover, we have the time lateral changes quo speaks about. for those who have been paying attention and keeping track, the time lateral changes, changes of timelines are quite real. and sometimes, makes great effects in one's own life, provided that certain conditions are met, so that the change is palpable. so, our planet has been quarantined from extreme negative influence too, to prevent any kind of major mishap from happening.

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all this effort is being spent.

if 'everything had been ok', and even destroying a planet has been ok, all this effort wouldnt be spared.

apparently, it is wanted that another planet not be destroyed. its as simple as that.

there had been 60 million + entities, most of which from Ra, a 60 million + 6d society complex, ra tells us, and it was a recent phenomenon. so we can say that, excluding the native 4d entities of this planet, we probably have more than 2 sizeable 6d society complexes' worth of 6 d souls incarnated on this planet, with the above aims.

with 'everything is ok' philosophy, a handful of souls should have been allowed to totally destroy this planet too.

it havent been allowed.

this shows, along with the effort to increase the harvest, that, 'everything is NOT ok'.

there are things that should happen and there are things, that should not. there is a limit to everything, even destroying planets, or, seeding young souls with genetic modifications even with the best of intentions.

[Monica]

Well when you put it like that...

[Poffo]

Well when you put it like that...

LOL!

after maldek and mars incidents, there were apparently other incidents on this planet, there is a sinking of mu, the reasons werent given to us by Ra. and there is the issue of atlantis. these people have upsetted the axis of this planet, and probably would destroy it. we dont know how mu sank, it is possible that it was another similar result.

According to Ra, apparently it wasn't based on anything overtly negative:

"It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own."

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[unity100]

after maldek and mars incidents, there were apparently other incidents on this planet, there is a sinking of mu, the reasons werent given to us by Ra. and there is the issue of atlantis. these people have upsetted the axis of this planet, and probably would destroy it. we dont know how mu sank, it is possible that it was another similar result.

According to Ra, apparently it wasn't based on anything overtly negative:

"It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own."

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/:idea:

italic part catches my attention. 'through no action of their own'. this, apparently, merited mentioning. so, it was not due to any action of theirs. meaning ;

1 - it was possible for any society to be able to sink continents, and upset the planet to the extent of such an end
2 - but, it didnt happen through an action of their own.

so, maybe it happened through an action of some other people ?

[crystl37]

10.15 Questioner: I was wondering about the advent of the civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria, when these civilizations occurred, and where did they come from?
Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of this working. The civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria were not one but two. Let us look first at the Mu entities.

They were beings of a somewhat primitive nature, but those who had very advanced spiritual distortions. The civilization was part of this cycle, experienced early within the cycle at a time of approximately 53,000 of your years ago. It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own. They sent out those who survived and reached many places in what you call Russia, North America, and South America. The Indians of whom you come to feel some sympathy in your social complex distortions are the descendants of these entities. Like the other incarnates of this cycle, they came from elsewhere. However, these particular entities were largely from a second-density planet which had some difficulty, due to the age of its sun, in achieving third-density life conditions. This planet was from the galaxy Deneb.

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after maldek and mars incidents, there were apparently other incidents on this planet, there is a sinking of mu, the reasons werent given to us by Ra. and there is the issue of atlantis. these people have upsetted the axis of this planet, and probably would destroy it. we dont know how mu sank, it is possible that it was another similar result.

then, a quarantine was put on this planet. much more stringent than anything before.

not to mention that, for some reason, all the escapees of atlantis have lost the technology they had. from 9900 BC or so. just 1200 years ago or so, they were able to fly and fight in crafts that could go underwater and on water and crafts that also could fly, they could create life forms, make use of various advanced energies, and many many more.

what happened ? there is no reason for atlanteans to lose the information they had from before. the use of crystals, pyramids, vehicles, and all that.

what happened and where did that information all go ?

from this point on, the earth's technology and knowledge took a nose dive.

how conveniently, all the traces of atlantis civilization, got erased ? somehow, all the critical stuff that was in the continent, like pyramids and traces, have sunk into water. including the pyramid under the bermuda triangle. allright. happens.

what happened to those who escaped atlantis, and settled in various other parts ? did they lose their memory, so that they didnt carry the technological information that they had before, despite having escaped to the places they escaped in crafts that can travel tens of thousands of miles ?

the technology they had was not of the complex, delicate nature we have today, ie fragile - so much that, if something in the chain was lost, entire technology would fall apart. they were using crystals, pyramids, and natural energies present on the planet. one should remember that it is possible to reproduce an effect of a pyramid by just constructing a makeshift structure from 4 sticks, provided that they are in the correct proportions and alignment. it is so easy. yet, that technology is lost. a technology which was at the extent of creating lifeforms.

where did all that technological information go ..
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It just so happens that I have recently posted Atlantis, The True Legend of the Fall according to Metatron through Tyberonn in the earthkeeper chronicles of the spirit library.

At the risk of posting off-topic, there is a wealth of insight and information there, specifically regarding the Sons of the Law of One, and a detailed account of the course of events, the article is part of a set of three Atlantis postings, I encourage everyone to give it a read and see how it resonates. If it does, many questions I see discussed in this thread will be addressed for at the very least, further discussion.

in love and light
namaste'